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Most of the "key" scratches down the sides will be caused by hand bags , either the corners or the clasps .
I cannot understand why people try to squeeze between parked cars to get across car parks .
I have owned my shed E39 for two weeks and acquired a scratch down each side and a scuff on the rear bumper , all from supermarket car parks .
I cannot understand why people try to squeeze between parked cars to get across car parks .
I have owned my shed E39 for two weeks and acquired a scratch down each side and a scuff on the rear bumper , all from supermarket car parks .
I fully sympathise with you M'Lord, but at least they 'live' in a house, and not one of those vipers nests, also known as 'affordable blocks of flats'........Aaagh !!.......Or even worse, HMO's........AAaaaaaaagh !!!...............Where's he gone ?
Edited by daytona365 on Wednesday 6th May 22:31
daytona365 said:
I fully sympathise with you M'Lord, but at least they 'live' in a house, and not one of those vipers nests, also known as 'affordable blocks of flats'........Aaagh !!.......Or even worse, HMO's........AAaaaaaaagh !!!...............Where's he gone ?
I deleted it. When I read it back it made me sound like a snobbish coscksteiger Edited by daytona365 on Wednesday 6th May 22:31
dudleybloke said:
S3_Graham said:
Europa1 said:
Blakewater said:
If it had been somewhere I was staying there might have been similar damage to the furniture, etc. A scrape down the side of my car from someone who couldn't judge a parking space cost me £300 to have put right.
If you want an insight into the mind of someone who annoys you when out with your car, you can always find them on Mumsnet.
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/cars/1734005-Carpark-S...
Some of those Mumsnet posts make for such depressing reading.
If you want an insight into the mind of someone who annoys you when out with your car, you can always find them on Mumsnet.
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/cars/1734005-Carpark-S...
Some of those Mumsnet posts
bigkeeko said:
Devil2575 said:
Generalisations may well be a natural cognitive process that helps eliminate risk, but I'd challenge the assertion that they are a starting point for an informed decision.
I'd suggest that rather than helping an informed decision they actually hinder it because we are starting off from a position of predjudice. We are then more likely to only see what backs up this predjudice, because we are not predisposed to changing long held views.
Well, they`d help me (and most other people evidently) make an informed decision in this instance. I'd suggest that rather than helping an informed decision they actually hinder it because we are starting off from a position of predjudice. We are then more likely to only see what backs up this predjudice, because we are not predisposed to changing long held views.
Without generalising we couldn`t function. Your use of predjudice hints at stereotyping which is a totally different thing. Stereotyping obviously should be avoided but generalising is a natural mental process and cannot be stopped.
Generalisation is a natural process, but that does not mean it helps us make informed decisions. Like many of the unconscious processes that go on in our brains it actually hinders us from making rational decisions.
Devil2575 said:
bigkeeko said:
Devil2575 said:
Generalisations may well be a natural cognitive process that helps eliminate risk, but I'd challenge the assertion that they are a starting point for an informed decision.
I'd suggest that rather than helping an informed decision they actually hinder it because we are starting off from a position of predjudice. We are then more likely to only see what backs up this predjudice, because we are not predisposed to changing long held views.
Well, they`d help me (and most other people evidently) make an informed decision in this instance. I'd suggest that rather than helping an informed decision they actually hinder it because we are starting off from a position of predjudice. We are then more likely to only see what backs up this predjudice, because we are not predisposed to changing long held views.
Without generalising we couldn`t function. Your use of predjudice hints at stereotyping which is a totally different thing. Stereotyping obviously should be avoided but generalising is a natural mental process and cannot be stopped.
Generalisation is a natural process, but that does not mean it helps us make informed decisions. Like many of the unconscious processes that go on in our brains it actually hinders us from making rational decisions.
3xpendable said:
Devil2575 said:
Highlighting what? Your assumption that most people who "don't care" haven't worked for their money?
No, highlighting just like that mumsnet thread, that many people see cars as disposable items and therefore don't understand nor respect others who actually care about their car and/or whom worked hard to pay for it. My experience is yes, most people I encounter who either have a silver spoon (and hence don't realise the value of things) or a benefits cheating scum haven't had to work hard to pay for something and hence have no respect for it. Either their own property or others.Generations like my parents, or grandparents had to earn a car an hence looked after it. Look how many "£20 a week" finance deals you can get on cars etc now, and I bet a lot of those people have no idea of the real value as a result, working or not. All my cars are paid for in full, and I didn't buy them until I could afford to do so. I'm sure you'll retort with some provocative comment however...
t to be honest."Benefits cheating scum"?
So is that everyone on benefits or is this damage only done by people who shouldn't be getting them?
I don't care how you paid for your cars, my father has always got his cars with a loan apart from his last two and he's in his 70s now. That doesn't mean he'd damage someone's car and drive off.
I've only ever bought a couple of my cars outright and I'm the same. I'd own up, in fact I have in the past.
This isn't about knowing the value of stuff or what generation you're from, this is about honesty and morals. But then I'm sure you're one of those people who looks to the past with rose tinted glasses and thinks that the current generations are going to the dogs.
Devil2575 said:
I think you'e talking st to be honest.
"Benefits cheating scum"?
So is that everyone on benefits or is this damage only done by people who shouldn't be getting them?
I don't care how you paid for your cars, my father has always got his cars with a loan apart from his last two and he's in his 70s now. That doesn't mean he'd damage someone's car and drive off.
I've only ever bought a couple of my cars outright and I'm the same. I'd own up, in fact I have in the past.
This isn't about knowing the value of stuff or what generation you're from, this is about honesty and morals. But then I'm sure you're one of those people who looks to the past with rose tinted glasses and thinks that the current generations are going to the dogs.
I'm really sad the perception of someone on this thread is that motability car users are benefits scum who love to damage cars in their spare time.t to be honest."Benefits cheating scum"?
So is that everyone on benefits or is this damage only done by people who shouldn't be getting them?
I don't care how you paid for your cars, my father has always got his cars with a loan apart from his last two and he's in his 70s now. That doesn't mean he'd damage someone's car and drive off.
I've only ever bought a couple of my cars outright and I'm the same. I'd own up, in fact I have in the past.
This isn't about knowing the value of stuff or what generation you're from, this is about honesty and morals. But then I'm sure you're one of those people who looks to the past with rose tinted glasses and thinks that the current generations are going to the dogs.
I worked hard and had a good part of a career before I became disabled and claimed DLA. I pride myself on looking after my car and get just as pissed as anyone - I had someone scrape down the side of my Volvo because they weren't paying attention and caused £500 worth of damage, however they had the morality to knock on my door and pay for the repair.
Considering there are down payments on card up to some sizeable amounts - dependant on spec - why shouldn't we be allowed choices? Secondly we don't get the car "for free", on my v40 I lose all of my mobility premium - about £270 a month.
I'd swap you in a heartbeat, I'd love to see you live with a profound disability, needing to use a wheelchair, and be a benefit cheating scummer.
MattHall91 said:
Paulm4 said:
We have a beaten up old Mk4 Golf that my wife uses. After a long week of carefully driving my company car I find it a revelation! Park it wherever you want, anyone dings it and you wouldn't even notice. You can usually get a space in the multistorey easily as there is a few spaces with a pillar on either side that tight enough to make people scared to park in them. Squeeze the golf in, lift the kids out through the boot, bingo!
Your drive your company car carefully? Erm, why?Asper said:
Considering there are down payments on card up to some sizeable amounts - dependant on spec - why shouldn't we be allowed choices? Secondly we don't get the car "for free", on my v40 I lose all of my mobility premium - about £270 a month.
I'd swap you in a heartbeat, I'd love to see you live with a profound disability, needing to use a wheelchair, and be a benefit cheating scummer.
until recently I too operated from a position of ignorance, it did seem that motobility cars were just dished out like candy - a chat with a mate of mine who used to work at a main dealer swiftly disabused me of this notion. They (disabled people) do pay - and it's not cheap - also IIRC there is no 'right to buy' at any point so effectively the car ends up costing more (ie more money going to the dealer) then a non-motobility car. I'd swap you in a heartbeat, I'd love to see you live with a profound disability, needing to use a wheelchair, and be a benefit cheating scummer.
As asper says - why shouldn't disabled people get a choice of cars? Should they all drive around in invacars?
Asper said:
Devil2575 said:
I think you'e talking st to be honest.
"Benefits cheating scum"?
So is that everyone on benefits or is this damage only done by people who shouldn't be getting them?
I don't care how you paid for your cars, my father has always got his cars with a loan apart from his last two and he's in his 70s now. That doesn't mean he'd damage someone's car and drive off.
I've only ever bought a couple of my cars outright and I'm the same. I'd own up, in fact I have in the past.
This isn't about knowing the value of stuff or what generation you're from, this is about honesty and morals. But then I'm sure you're one of those people who looks to the past with rose tinted glasses and thinks that the current generations are going to the dogs.
I'm really sad the perception of someone on this thread is that motability car users are benefits scum who love to damage cars in their spare time.t to be honest."Benefits cheating scum"?
So is that everyone on benefits or is this damage only done by people who shouldn't be getting them?
I don't care how you paid for your cars, my father has always got his cars with a loan apart from his last two and he's in his 70s now. That doesn't mean he'd damage someone's car and drive off.
I've only ever bought a couple of my cars outright and I'm the same. I'd own up, in fact I have in the past.
This isn't about knowing the value of stuff or what generation you're from, this is about honesty and morals. But then I'm sure you're one of those people who looks to the past with rose tinted glasses and thinks that the current generations are going to the dogs.
I worked hard and had a good part of a career before I became disabled and claimed DLA. I pride myself on looking after my car and get just as pissed as anyone - I had someone scrape down the side of my Volvo because they weren't paying attention and caused £500 worth of damage, however they had the morality to knock on my door and pay for the repair.
Considering there are down payments on card up to some sizeable amounts - dependant on spec - why shouldn't we be allowed choices? Secondly we don't get the car "for free", on my v40 I lose all of my mobility premium - about £270 a month.
I'd swap you in a heartbeat, I'd love to see you live with a profound disability, needing to use a wheelchair, and be a benefit cheating scummer.
They are on their 6th Jazz at the moment, they have bought two and leased three, mobility is not the cheap option people think it is.
StuntmanMike said:
Asper said:
Devil2575 said:
I think you'e talking st to be honest.
"Benefits cheating scum"?
So is that everyone on benefits or is this damage only done by people who shouldn't be getting them?
I don't care how you paid for your cars, my father has always got his cars with a loan apart from his last two and he's in his 70s now. That doesn't mean he'd damage someone's car and drive off.
I've only ever bought a couple of my cars outright and I'm the same. I'd own up, in fact I have in the past.
This isn't about knowing the value of stuff or what generation you're from, this is about honesty and morals. But then I'm sure you're one of those people who looks to the past with rose tinted glasses and thinks that the current generations are going to the dogs.
I'm really sad the perception of someone on this thread is that motability car users are benefits scum who love to damage cars in their spare time.t to be honest."Benefits cheating scum"?
So is that everyone on benefits or is this damage only done by people who shouldn't be getting them?
I don't care how you paid for your cars, my father has always got his cars with a loan apart from his last two and he's in his 70s now. That doesn't mean he'd damage someone's car and drive off.
I've only ever bought a couple of my cars outright and I'm the same. I'd own up, in fact I have in the past.
This isn't about knowing the value of stuff or what generation you're from, this is about honesty and morals. But then I'm sure you're one of those people who looks to the past with rose tinted glasses and thinks that the current generations are going to the dogs.
I worked hard and had a good part of a career before I became disabled and claimed DLA. I pride myself on looking after my car and get just as pissed as anyone - I had someone scrape down the side of my Volvo because they weren't paying attention and caused £500 worth of damage, however they had the morality to knock on my door and pay for the repair.
Considering there are down payments on card up to some sizeable amounts - dependant on spec - why shouldn't we be allowed choices? Secondly we don't get the car "for free", on my v40 I lose all of my mobility premium - about £270 a month.
I'd swap you in a heartbeat, I'd love to see you live with a profound disability, needing to use a wheelchair, and be a benefit cheating scummer.
They are on their 6th Jazz at the moment, they have bought two and leased three, mobility is not the cheap option people think it is.
Asper said:
Considering there are down payments on card up to some sizeable amounts - dependant on spec - why shouldn't we be allowed choices? Secondly we don't get the car "for free", on my v40 I lose all of my mobility premium - about £270 a month.
It's a shame some motorbility cars are abused. It's a great scheme but I have seen some shameful abuse. I know of instances where an individual has gained such a car by paying the disabled person (their relative) their £270 a month so they get to have a cheap fully funded vehicle. The disabled person has never seen the car.
divetheworld said:
Asper said:
Considering there are down payments on card up to some sizeable amounts - dependant on spec - why shouldn't we be allowed choices? Secondly we don't get the car "for free", on my v40 I lose all of my mobility premium - about £270 a month.
It's a shame some motorbility cars are abused. It's a great scheme but I have seen some shameful abuse. I know of instances where an individual has gained such a car by paying the disabled person (their relative) their £270 a month so they get to have a cheap fully funded vehicle. The disabled person has never seen the car.
However we don't always choose to point these people every time we talk about a subject, or at least we shouldn't.
Trying to get the thread back OT...
Yes, unfortunately having anything nice and keeping it nice is a headache. It's one of the main reasons I've put off buying an E46 M3 until we move out of London later this year. With the old snotter 328 I'm happy to park it anywhere. If it gets any car park dings (and it has a few now) I won't lose sleep over it.
Yes, unfortunately having anything nice and keeping it nice is a headache. It's one of the main reasons I've put off buying an E46 M3 until we move out of London later this year. With the old snotter 328 I'm happy to park it anywhere. If it gets any car park dings (and it has a few now) I won't lose sleep over it.
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