RE: Alfa 4C: The Comeback
Discussion
TA14 said:
It's all very well you and others saying that the car is priced too high but it's selling like hot cakes and they recently doubled production.
I think it's quite telling that the car originally sold out before anyone had actually driven it. It doesn't need to drive well as long as it's not offensively bad, that's not why people are buying it. It's a fashion trinket which is probably what it needed to be.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 6th May 14:41
TA14 said:
braddersm3 said:
Can't understand all the hype around this car..£54k!...it would need to be pretty special to justify that and aside from a carbon tub palpably isn't..Makes an Elise S,with impeccable steering,handling at@£40k look a no brainer,let alone an Exige V6 at @£54k.
It's all very well you and others saying that the car is priced too high but it's selling like hot cakes and they recently doubled production.If I sold the Maserati I could buy one for around £50k cash, they are holding their valve extremely well because demand exceeds supply so I could keep it for a year or so and it would probably cost me less than the cars listed above because they are very likely to depreciate more.
So, business as usual then - another Alfa with bags of passion and charisma but some huge flaws that ensure that it will never be a real contender. How depressing; you would have thought that coming from the people who also make Ferraris and given the mountain that Sergio & co know that Alfa has to climb to regain it's credibility as a contender they could have sorted out that steering problem. I come from sixteen years of Alfa ownership,all of them very happy and relatively trouble free which is saying something (I'd make a great brand ambassador!), but weary from defending its reputation. I wait for the Giulia with trepidation.
but...but...Clarkson LOVES it....so this report must be garbage, and most of you lot 'wrong'... because JC says so.
There is clearly room for an emotive brand to sell a performance car that performs by most yardsticks very well (if by no means 'the best').... I reckon 80% of cars at this price point are bought to pose in anyway
There is clearly room for an emotive brand to sell a performance car that performs by most yardsticks very well (if by no means 'the best').... I reckon 80% of cars at this price point are bought to pose in anyway
Fiat/Alfa, how many times can you afford to do this? Another blemished beauty, is that all there is? People buy german cars for supposed reliability, but they do have problems. Steering and throttle response usually isn't two of them, yet here we are again with an unresolved car! I have owned 2 Alfas, 3 Fiats. All were reliable, enjoyable little beauties. An Alfasud Sprint Veloce Cloverleaf Coupe 1985, and a Spider 1971, elegant rorty, so enjoyable, and 3 Fiat X1/9's, all lovely.
I really wanted to love the 4C, but not with dodgy steering and throttle, and the wheel looks clumsy- oh dear.
Someone senior at Fiat engineering needs to see how it got out into production like this and do a recall. It's just not good enough and especially at the asking price. What do I own an E46 six cylinder Coupe reliable apart from a water pump a year ago. Now I'm ready for another romance but Alfa won't be getting my money sadly.
I really wanted to love the 4C, but not with dodgy steering and throttle, and the wheel looks clumsy- oh dear.
Someone senior at Fiat engineering needs to see how it got out into production like this and do a recall. It's just not good enough and especially at the asking price. What do I own an E46 six cylinder Coupe reliable apart from a water pump a year ago. Now I'm ready for another romance but Alfa won't be getting my money sadly.
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Just get stuff checked and the major gripe goes.
Leaving a nasty steering wheel and a nasty radio...with potentially uncomfy seats and questionable etrim/electronics...
Mini supercar indeed...
Just get stuff checked and the major gripe goes.
Leaving a nasty steering wheel and a nasty radio...with potentially uncomfy seats and questionable etrim/electronics...
Mini supercar indeed...
So its another built in Italy, perfected in my garage job.
Its a shame as the problems would be simple to fix for a manufacturer - different steering wheel, different front suspension, different engine map.
I should imagine a tuning company will be working on fixing these things and will make a killing.
Its a shame as the problems would be simple to fix for a manufacturer - different steering wheel, different front suspension, different engine map.
I should imagine a tuning company will be working on fixing these things and will make a killing.
All the complaints seem to be things which I just accept as a result of driving a VX220 daily for 4 years.
Horrendous on bumpy roads even a dodgy cat's eye will sound like you've hit a breeze block, but when you do discover a fresh bit of tarmac, it's just epic.
Price looks high, but this is a carbon fibre tub. Is there anything else fully carbon for a similar price, or even close, that offers more?
...but I think I would take a V6 Exige over it every day.
Horrendous on bumpy roads even a dodgy cat's eye will sound like you've hit a breeze block, but when you do discover a fresh bit of tarmac, it's just epic.
Price looks high, but this is a carbon fibre tub. Is there anything else fully carbon for a similar price, or even close, that offers more?
...but I think I would take a V6 Exige over it every day.
I recently looked to buy one of two cars with the 4C being one of them. It looks great (to my eyes) and with the sports exhaust sounds great.
The steering wheel however, why?
I chose a Cayman GTS manual. Having owned a wide spectrum of cars I can say its one of the best cars I have ever driven.
Better even than my GT3 RS which I never felt I could exploit to its full potential on normal roads.
It's all about fast 'slow' cars now....If that makes sense and the Alfa would have been one of those had it not been so crap
The steering wheel however, why?
I chose a Cayman GTS manual. Having owned a wide spectrum of cars I can say its one of the best cars I have ever driven.
Better even than my GT3 RS which I never felt I could exploit to its full potential on normal roads.
It's all about fast 'slow' cars now....If that makes sense and the Alfa would have been one of those had it not been so crap
All sounds very familiar from my brief experience of the 4C.
I wonder if they'll release an Evoluzione model with the steering geometry sorted out and a few calibration tweaks?
The idea of owning an Alfa sports car is very appealing, but if I was looking for a hardcore mid-engined sports car at this price I'd go straight for the Lotus Exige. It's about a million times better to drive as the 4C stands currently.
I wonder if they'll release an Evoluzione model with the steering geometry sorted out and a few calibration tweaks?
The idea of owning an Alfa sports car is very appealing, but if I was looking for a hardcore mid-engined sports car at this price I'd go straight for the Lotus Exige. It's about a million times better to drive as the 4C stands currently.
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