RE: Ford Mustang GT: Driven
Discussion
Centurion07 said:
Coatesy351 said:
Well the holden coupe/monaro was a small seller i can't see this being any different. You see plenty of the sedans towing trailers, jet ski's etc , can you get a towbar for the mustang? I wouldn't want to be in the back of one for anything but a short journey.
Eh?!1200 pre-orders for a car that won't arrive in the UK till October at the earliest, most of those 1200 haven't even seen one in the flesh, have no confirmation of the exact final spec regarding extra gauges/strut brace etc, and you think it's not going to sell? Er.......
Not saying there is anything wrong with the Monaro but I think the Mustang name is a bigger draw.
Is that 1200 V8's or 1200 Mustangs in total by the way ?
I dont think we will be tripping over Mustangs but I reckon that is pretty good going, I think sales will go up as well, once people start spotting them on the roads and wanting one, i.e. those of us that dont infest forums.
J4CKO said:
based on Howmanyleft, adding in anything called Monaro or VXR8 adds up to 1064, am I missing any variants ? if not it means there are more Mustang ordered for the UK launch than Monaro type things currently registered, so allowing for a few hedge bound ones it does look like the Mustang has captured the imagination more than the Vauxhall.
Not saying there is anything wrong with the Monaro but I think the Mustang name is a bigger draw.
There are about 20 under the Holden name. Monaro and Commodore (the base for the VXR8) are not well known names over here whereas Mustang is. Plus people don't like Vauxhall for some reason that I never understood Not saying there is anything wrong with the Monaro but I think the Mustang name is a bigger draw.
J4CKO said:
Centurion07 said:
Coatesy351 said:
Well the holden coupe/monaro was a small seller i can't see this being any different. You see plenty of the sedans towing trailers, jet ski's etc , can you get a towbar for the mustang? I wouldn't want to be in the back of one for anything but a short journey.
Eh?!1200 pre-orders for a car that won't arrive in the UK till October at the earliest, most of those 1200 haven't even seen one in the flesh, have no confirmation of the exact final spec regarding extra gauges/strut brace etc, and you think it's not going to sell? Er.......
Not saying there is anything wrong with the Monaro but I think the Mustang name is a bigger draw.
Is that 1200 V8's or 1200 Mustangs in total by the way ?
I dont think we will be tripping over Mustangs but I reckon that is pretty good going, I think sales will go up as well, once people start spotting them on the roads and wanting one, i.e. those of us that dont infest forums.
croyde said:
That's 1200 Mustangs in total although it would appear that a lot of them are V8s.
I think the ecoboost will gain popularity amongst people seeing the first Mustangs on the road and liking them yet not being enthusiasts thus happy to find that there is a smaller engine available.
Funny to think the tiddler, the shameful wooden spoon engine (as viewed on here) has 310 bhp (More than the fabled Golf R) and does 100 mph in 13 and a bit seconds, 60 in 5 and a bit, I think the availability of the V8 does skew perception a little, also, the Ecoboost doesn't sound like a barrel of laughs judging by the reviews but I would imagine it is plenty quick enough for most owners, its pretty much as quick as the old 4.6 GT V8.I think the ecoboost will gain popularity amongst people seeing the first Mustangs on the road and liking them yet not being enthusiasts thus happy to find that there is a smaller engine available.
Still, for me, would have to be the V8, spending 28 grand on it rather than the extra 5 on the V8 is a bit like going on holiday and staying in the hotel room all week, pretty much as expensive and not as enjoyable.
xRIEx said:
eztiger said:
Ford decide to bring an iconic car, with an optional V8 no less, to the uk 'properly' with RHD for the first time - and! - for what is effectively 10p and people on here still find holes to pick with it?
Baffling.
It's endemic on PH, as soon as something is announced or released it has to be derided; I wonder if those individuals feel it projects an air of expertise by them pointing out something that huge multinational corporations failed to spot, and they predict that stock prices will now crash and the company is going to go bust in the next two years, whether it be Ford, Lotus, BMW, Jaguar etc. etc.Baffling.
A depressing amount of focus on soft touch interior plastics.
Coatesy351 said:
Centurion07 said:
Coatesy351 said:
Well the holden coupe/monaro was a small seller i can't see this being any different. You see plenty of the sedans towing trailers, jet ski's etc , can you get a towbar for the mustang? I wouldn't want to be in the back of one for anything but a short journey.
Eh?!1200 pre-orders for a car that won't arrive in the UK till October at the earliest, most of those 1200 haven't even seen one in the flesh, have no confirmation of the exact final spec regarding extra gauges/strut brace etc, and you think it's not going to sell? Er.......
In which case, I agree.
Coatesy351 said:
I think after an initial flurry of sales it will sell slowly. Its too impractical compared to the outgoing xr6 xr8 falcons and Ss /hsv commodores.
There is a pretty huge Ford following in Aus. I've no idea what Ford currently offer there in the way of a Mustang equivalent but this should sell pretty well? Unless it gets clobbered by import taxes which I recall is why Ford and GM build in country? R8VXF said:
Plus people don't like Vauxhall for some reason that I never understood
Thats a thread in its own right as there isn't any specific logic in the Ford v Vauxhaul UK market. Vauxhall got that panning from Clarkson many years ago but long before that there was the horrible 'Rep' image of the saloons.
For me it's about their lack of true pedigree in the racing arena over Ford. I grew up knowing the people who raced for DTV but it was always the Ford engines and victories at Le Mans and other major events that captured my imagination or the F1 engines or Lotus Twin Cam etc. Not forgetting Cosworth.
In my mind, Ford in Britain just has a far more exciting domestic racing history.
I didn't know anyone who had a Ford or a Vauxhall as a kid so that hasn't had an impact.
Plus I guess the Escort in the Professionals adding something also. Along with those Transit Vans that used to take you on fast laps of Brands at the GP. I've just always thought of Ford as more exciting and worthy.
It's why I like the Coyote engine over the LS3. No real logic just a personal, historic brand perception.
DonkeyApple said:
There is a pretty huge Ford following in Aus. I've no idea what Ford currently offer there in the way of a Mustang equivalent but this should sell pretty well? Unless it gets clobbered by import taxes which I recall is why Ford and GM build in country?
There is no mustang equivalent sold here but the performance Ford & Holden=Vauxhall have generally been 4 door sedans. They have sold coupe versions of these in the past but haven't been big sellers. In fact in the late 70's holden and ford had to make special editions of the monaro and falcon coupes to get rid of the body shells they had unsold. The thing that may sell it is the fact it will be the only rear wheel drive ford available after 2016. This car is selling better than the Monaro because it is a Mustang, which has a good brand image.
Given the front is pretty similar, Ford could have sold this as the Ford Mondeo Coupé. I wonder how many they'd have sold then... Oh that's right, 6.
New Mondeo:
New Mustang:
Given the front is pretty similar, Ford could have sold this as the Ford Mondeo Coupé. I wonder how many they'd have sold then... Oh that's right, 6.
New Mondeo:
New Mustang:
Edited by SturdyHSV on Tuesday 12th May 16:43
xRIEx said:
It's endemic on PH, as soon as something is announced or released it has to be derided; I wonder if those individuals feel it projects an air of expertise by them pointing out something that huge multinational corporations failed to spot, and they predict that stock prices will now crash and the company is going to go bust in the next two years, whether it be Ford, Lotus, BMW, Jaguar etc. etc.
A depressing amount of negativity.
Well I for one ain't going to let a few negative nellies, spoil my excitement at looking forward to getting a new MustangA depressing amount of negativity.
The last new car I bought was an XR2 back in 1985, and I can well remember how thrilled I was back then at the age of 23...
30 years later, and I'm so looking forward to getting a new car once again......the fact that it's a Mustang, just adds to the whole experience
I ordered mine on my Birtthday back in Feb
As for residuals, MPG, poor interiors, or being able to buy a better car for less .......meh....COULDN'T CARE LESS......
xRIEx said:
So that 6 year old engine (or older, I assume it's the Volvo 5 cylinder, which was from 2003 according to Wiki) hasn't been bettered at all? This is a brand new engine, so I assume they've made some progress in the last 12 years given the emission-obsessed legislation we all know and love know.
The guy in the video got 34.5, although that was a reasonable amount of highway (and possibly 55mph speed limit). Of course it's going to depend on driving style, but like for like (as experienced by the Jalopnik journos) I think there's going to be a reasonable gap. In fact, that test article is probably a good gauge because they were probably driving similarly (similar pace, keeping in convoy, same roads, getting to try both cars).
Admittedly, I expect most owners are going to let the cars stretch their legs from time to time, but again like for like (V8 owners are going to too), I can't imagine there won't be a significant proportional difference. If there wasn't, then we wouldn't be experiencing the downsizing hysteria we currently see because if a 5 litre 412bhp (or 435) NA V8 can give similar mpg to a 2.3l 310bhp turbocharged I4, what would be the point to downsizing?
Emissions related tax in certain markets and the group emissions regulations?The guy in the video got 34.5, although that was a reasonable amount of highway (and possibly 55mph speed limit). Of course it's going to depend on driving style, but like for like (as experienced by the Jalopnik journos) I think there's going to be a reasonable gap. In fact, that test article is probably a good gauge because they were probably driving similarly (similar pace, keeping in convoy, same roads, getting to try both cars).
Admittedly, I expect most owners are going to let the cars stretch their legs from time to time, but again like for like (V8 owners are going to too), I can't imagine there won't be a significant proportional difference. If there wasn't, then we wouldn't be experiencing the downsizing hysteria we currently see because if a 5 litre 412bhp (or 435) NA V8 can give similar mpg to a 2.3l 310bhp turbocharged I4, what would be the point to downsizing?
Fair play to Ford for having the balls to give us RHD and price it so competitively.
Really, really want one and it's the only new car I can say that about! Naturally aspirated V8 with RWD and manual gearbox - it has no competitors.
And although I decided a few months ago I would never get into the money pit of new car ownership again I have a feeling these may do better than your typical diseasal Eurobox. An extension on the mortgage is looking tempting!
Agree they surely don't need electronic modes - that is the polar opposite of what they are about. Leave that for the weedy 1 Series models and similar! If you build it right surely there is only one correct mode?
Good luck to those who have an order in - can't wait to see, and better still hear, one!
Really, really want one and it's the only new car I can say that about! Naturally aspirated V8 with RWD and manual gearbox - it has no competitors.
And although I decided a few months ago I would never get into the money pit of new car ownership again I have a feeling these may do better than your typical diseasal Eurobox. An extension on the mortgage is looking tempting!
Agree they surely don't need electronic modes - that is the polar opposite of what they are about. Leave that for the weedy 1 Series models and similar! If you build it right surely there is only one correct mode?
Good luck to those who have an order in - can't wait to see, and better still hear, one!
Mr Tidy said:
- can't wait to see, and better still hear, one!
Agree. It's mental to not see that a car like this, whether you like it or not, is going to be a big positive addition to our roads. I reckon it could make a good track say car as well as in sure you'll be able to soon get much of the aftermarket stuff here to mess around with them.
swerni said:
If the pervious generation and the Camaro are anything to go by, it will sound okay but not great.
That however is very easily fixed.
After market stuff will be freely available, the issue is warranty.
It's not been a problem in the past as there wasn't any over here, I think the new generation of owners will be more conservative than we were.
Second owners of them are likely to be the modders, I'd guess?That however is very easily fixed.
After market stuff will be freely available, the issue is warranty.
It's not been a problem in the past as there wasn't any over here, I think the new generation of owners will be more conservative than we were.
I can't imagine many people who buy into the V8 product and all its history etc will be able to resist 'improving' their car for long. As you say maybe a legal contract is all that will stop them.
DonkeyApple said:
Second owners of them are likely to be the modders, I'd guess?
I can't imagine many people who buy into the V8 product and all its history etc will be able to resist 'improving' their car for long. As you say maybe a legal contract is all that will stop them.
I've already set up my CJ pony parts account.....and have a few bits n bobs in my basket....I can't imagine many people who buy into the V8 product and all its history etc will be able to resist 'improving' their car for long. As you say maybe a legal contract is all that will stop them.
Borla ford touring cat back, and billet oil seperator.....
the supercharger will have to wait for a bitQuinny said:
xRIEx said:
It's endemic on PH, as soon as something is announced or released it has to be derided; I wonder if those individuals feel it projects an air of expertise by them pointing out something that huge multinational corporations failed to spot, and they predict that stock prices will now crash and the company is going to go bust in the next two years, whether it be Ford, Lotus, BMW, Jaguar etc. etc.
A depressing amount of negativity.
Well I for one ain't going to let a few negative nellies, spoil my excitement at looking forward to getting a new MustangA depressing amount of negativity.
The last new car I bought was an XR2 back in 1985, and I can well remember how thrilled I was back then at the age of 23...
30 years later, and I'm so looking forward to getting a new car once again......the fact that it's a Mustang, just adds to the whole experience
I ordered mine on my Birtthday back in Feb
As for residuals, MPG, poor interiors, or being able to buy a better car for less .......meh....COULDN'T CARE LESS......
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