RE: Toyota GT86 facelift details
Discussion
xRIEx said:
RedTrident said:
It's not the badge, it's the absence of power. What is it, an 8 second to 60mph car? That just isn't attractive for the market it's aimed at.
And as said right from its inception, that is not the market it was aimed at.With regards to alternatives, an s3 elise is in the same price range, 6 to 60, 6.5 to 62 (shift point Im guessing). So is a race spec (road legal) Ginetta g40r with race packages thrown in for 29k.
Tuvra said:
cerb4.5lee said:
We are all different though and straight line thrills is what has always floated my boat personally whereas most love corners and I know if I drove a GT86 as soon as I put my foot down on a straight I would be left bitterly disappointed especially if a warm diesel had just blitzed me.
I accept nowadays it is a bit silly that hot hatches have 300 bhp in some ways and anything with power is a doddle to use, so I do see the point of the GT86 where you have to put lots of effort in to get it to go quickly but lots enjoy doing that, at least there are cars that suit different tastes and that is a good thing.
Totally agree, which takes me back to my original point, why haven't Toyota or Subaru offered both? Like Porsche do with the 911 Turbo/GT3/GT3RS, lightweight and powerful.I accept nowadays it is a bit silly that hot hatches have 300 bhp in some ways and anything with power is a doddle to use, so I do see the point of the GT86 where you have to put lots of effort in to get it to go quickly but lots enjoy doing that, at least there are cars that suit different tastes and that is a good thing.
aspen said:
I don't really get all the comments about getting blown away by diesels etc. Who cares? What have you got to prove against the diesel driver? What does it matter if his car is faster?
Some people have become conditioned to thinking that "faster car (statistics) = more masculine".I drive a big, 140-odd bhp 2.0 diesel estate and am rarely "blown away". Admittedly, people don't try to race it. It would probably be different if I was driving a GT86.
I rarely come across people driving briskly, other than in a straight line. What sometimes does happen is that somebody in a car comes up behind and tail-gates, but then is all over the place at the first hint of a bend, even fairly exotic or 'fast' cars.
I sometimes also drive an MGB. Very slow by modern standards, but fun. It doesn't need to be fast. I was overtaken by a McLaren convertible whilst driving it. Should I feel a lack of manhood?
I've loved these since they were launched and I sat in one at Goodwood. The lines are just so right with sharp modern looks but the right proportions to give a nod to the GT2000 of days gone by. I'm toying with one as a replacement for my Saab convertible daily driver but the issue is that secondhand they're still quite pricey when you can buy a new one with £3000 or so off list price with a warranty and in the colour and spec you want.
In my view they do need to do something to give it more low end grunt/torque to match the looks - say 6secs 0-60. It's barely faster than my Vector Saab convertible diesel and probably slower than a Saab diesel twin turbo.
By all accounts an awesome drivers car though and looks fantastic!
I'm still so tempted but it's going to be an expensive move from my 2006 Saab 9-3 convertible which has been faultless as I already have a precat TVR Griff as a performance car. Problem is though that I have a long commute and a very operational job so can't take any risk of not being at work so I never use the TVR for commuting and I'd like something that's fun to drive and sporty plus faultlessly reliable and comfortable to commute in.
Saxon
In my view they do need to do something to give it more low end grunt/torque to match the looks - say 6secs 0-60. It's barely faster than my Vector Saab convertible diesel and probably slower than a Saab diesel twin turbo.
By all accounts an awesome drivers car though and looks fantastic!
I'm still so tempted but it's going to be an expensive move from my 2006 Saab 9-3 convertible which has been faultless as I already have a precat TVR Griff as a performance car. Problem is though that I have a long commute and a very operational job so can't take any risk of not being at work so I never use the TVR for commuting and I'd like something that's fun to drive and sporty plus faultlessly reliable and comfortable to commute in.
Saxon
Timbergiant said:
I've never actually noticed the wheels being good or bad, I like the car in both Toyota and Subaru guise but he only thing I wish they'd change is the vent/badge thing on the wing, it just looks so out of place to me.
A minor gripe that irks me too. 
The BRZ has a much nicer wing badge.
Fantuzzi said:
xRIEx said:
RedTrident said:
It's not the badge, it's the absence of power. What is it, an 8 second to 60mph car? That just isn't attractive for the market it's aimed at.
And as said right from its inception, that is not the market it was aimed at.With regards to alternatives, an s3 elise is in the same price range, 6 to 60, 6.5 to 62 (shift point Im guessing). So is a race spec (road legal) Ginetta g40r with race packages thrown in for 29k.
Quoted times by magazines are usually 0-62 mph which requires a shift from 2nd to 3rd (2nd tops out at 60mph on the dot), explaining the 7 second times.
Hope this post helps!
Timbergiant said:
I've never actually noticed the wheels being good or bad, I like the car in both Toyota and Subaru guise but he only thing I wish they'd change is the vent/badge thing on the wing, it just looks so out of place to me.
The thing with the wheels is that in the attempt to follow fashion and have them two-toned/polished faced, they look awkward on what is supposed to be a focused, serious drivers car.Google "GT86 wheels painted other colours" and you will see that the standard wheel(s) painted a flat silver look fine (good, even).
The irony of fashion eh!
This car isn't about chasing numbers but in all fairness i can completely see why people are put off by it's pace. It's a similar problem i have with potentially buying a Clio 197/200. In no way am i trying to compare them both but in regards to the power delivery i'm not sure it's for me.
I think as a package the GT86 is brilliant though. I'd definitely be tempted when they get to around the 10k mark. Think i'd be scared of crashing it though or end up in trouble with the Police for ragging it everywhere and getting the back end out constantly
I think as a package the GT86 is brilliant though. I'd definitely be tempted when they get to around the 10k mark. Think i'd be scared of crashing it though or end up in trouble with the Police for ragging it everywhere and getting the back end out constantly
PK1987 said:
Fantuzzi said:
xRIEx said:
RedTrident said:
It's not the badge, it's the absence of power. What is it, an 8 second to 60mph car? That just isn't attractive for the market it's aimed at.
And as said right from its inception, that is not the market it was aimed at.With regards to alternatives, an s3 elise is in the same price range, 6 to 60, 6.5 to 62 (shift point Im guessing). So is a race spec (road legal) Ginetta g40r with race packages thrown in for 29k.
Quoted times by magazines are usually 0-62 mph which requires a shift from 2nd to 3rd (2nd tops out at 60mph on the dot), explaining the 7 second times.
Hope this post helps!
I think evo only got 7.4 to 60 in the fiesta st. Well please as they tested my MR2 at 7.2
Its the little things that cheer you up...
LordGrover said:
A minor gripe that irks me too.
The BRZ has a much nicer wing badge.
Agreed, much better, doesn't look like an afterthought.The BRZ has a much nicer wing badge.
is1 said:
The thing with the wheels is that in the attempt to follow fashion and have them two-toned/polished faced, they look awkward on what is supposed to be a focused, serious drivers car.
Google "GT86 wheels painted other colours" and you will see that the standard wheel(s) painted a flat silver look fine (good, even).
The irony of fashion eh!
They look miles better in one colour.Google "GT86 wheels painted other colours" and you will see that the standard wheel(s) painted a flat silver look fine (good, even).
The irony of fashion eh!
STA5H said:
I for one would not go splashing out 20k plus on a car then expect to have to start spending more money to make it look better and go faster, id want it right to start with and "thats that" as they say .
And I for one would not want you to Sta5h, I'd expect you, as car enthusiast, not to spend £20k on a car you did not want...Well, I handed my test one back a couple of hours ago.
As a family car, even a part time one, it's useless. With 2 six footers in the front I would have to saw the kids legs off. Even my 3yo complained that her legs were uncomfortable in the back and she would have to cross them. The 5yo in the front loved it. I liked the seats and most of the interior and controls felt good but there were some very cheap feeling bits of plastic trim and at one point I had a rattle that I never figured out.
With just me in the car it's great fun. Very keen on getting the back out, surprised myself ane guy behind me on a local roundabout and was very careful after that as it would spin up the wheels in the wet today without trying. Great steering and gearbox, very direct and mechanical feeling. The suspension was hard and it crashed over the lumps and bumps a bit but nothing that really bothered me.
Getting back into the Focus ST I am driving at the moment the focus felt slow, fat and wobbly, like trying to corner a hippo.
It was terrific and if it was a 3rd car/proper weekender then I'd be buying. As a 2nd car it's not practical everyday for a man with kids.
One thing about the demo was it wasn't in great shape. Stone chips and a little dirty outside, a nasty crack in the rear wing and some other bits and bobs. I'd expect a demo to be in better condition.
As a family car, even a part time one, it's useless. With 2 six footers in the front I would have to saw the kids legs off. Even my 3yo complained that her legs were uncomfortable in the back and she would have to cross them. The 5yo in the front loved it. I liked the seats and most of the interior and controls felt good but there were some very cheap feeling bits of plastic trim and at one point I had a rattle that I never figured out.
With just me in the car it's great fun. Very keen on getting the back out, surprised myself ane guy behind me on a local roundabout and was very careful after that as it would spin up the wheels in the wet today without trying. Great steering and gearbox, very direct and mechanical feeling. The suspension was hard and it crashed over the lumps and bumps a bit but nothing that really bothered me.
Getting back into the Focus ST I am driving at the moment the focus felt slow, fat and wobbly, like trying to corner a hippo.
It was terrific and if it was a 3rd car/proper weekender then I'd be buying. As a 2nd car it's not practical everyday for a man with kids.
One thing about the demo was it wasn't in great shape. Stone chips and a little dirty outside, a nasty crack in the rear wing and some other bits and bobs. I'd expect a demo to be in better condition.
Bullett said:
...As a family car, even a part time one, it's useless. With 2 six footers in the front I would have to saw the kids legs off. Even my 3yo complained that her legs were uncomfortable in the back and she would have to cross them. The 5yo in the front loved it.
Your 5 year old is six feet tall?I tried the rear seats and they were much more spacious than the +2 seats in a 911, 944, Supra, RX7 or the CRXs I had. Plus they make a 350Z look like even more of an anti-Tardis. All 2+2s are a bit cramped.
I wonder what the old AE86 was like in the back? I've never been in one that still had an interior.
I think it's getting some unfair and fair comments. The gt86 brz was designed for some tail out fun with out having to go to the other more expensive rear wheel drive options ,yet a planted country road burner when needed and it does exactly that .no it's not practical it's a coupe .subaru are developing a turbo version and the Lichfield supercharger with the remap included in the price takes it up to 300bph.i came very close to gritting a brz it was just a case of having a very slobbery dog to accommodate .
Captain Muppet said:
Your 5 year old is six feet tall?
I tried the rear seats and they were much more spacious than the +2 seats in a 911, 944, Supra, RX7 or the CRXs I had. Plus they make a 350Z look like even more of an anti-Tardis. All 2+2s are a bit cramped.
I wonder what the old AE86 was like in the back? I've never been in one that still had an interior.
I can sit in the back of an AE86 with 2 adults in the front I tried the rear seats and they were much more spacious than the +2 seats in a 911, 944, Supra, RX7 or the CRXs I had. Plus they make a 350Z look like even more of an anti-Tardis. All 2+2s are a bit cramped.
I wonder what the old AE86 was like in the back? I've never been in one that still had an interior.
Don't think I could do it in the same comfort in the new car.
I looked at them and they seem ok for what I've wanted, except as stated above, my 2 sons couldn't do a European trip in the back seats
Shame really - got an old 6-pot Compact and a new runabout instead
Tuvra said:
Hardly drag racing, I couldn't get it off my tail along sweeping country roads, we then went round a roundabout joining a dual carriageway, at which point the Diesel X5 quickly dispatched of the red lining GT86.
Serious question but why does that bother you? There is nearly always at least one kiddie out there in a crappy little car with a point to prove or some ego type in a pimped up BMW/Audi who cares less about the law or their own safety than trying to prove some pathetic point. I can guarantee you that just about every owner of a high end Porsche or Ferrari has had at least one experience where a nutter in some crappy car has burned them off, either by driving at insane speeds or pulling a dangerous overtake. Captain Muppet said:
Your 5 year old is six feet tall?
We are a tall family.My wife is 6' 2" I'm 6ft. Both kids are not there yet but both the tallest in their years and the 3yo is taller than some of the 5yo's in the boys class.
It's a strange thing, cars have got bigger but smaller internally. I used to go around in the back of my dads Capri no problem and I've done a good distance in the back of a classic 911 as an adult.
Maybe I'll get a classic 911 instead!
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