New Car Tax B******s
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Stupid question here but after spending 20 mins online looking for a definitive answer and failing, I think better to ask the experts. Not sure if this failure reflects badly on me or the t**ts that run the vehicle taxing service....
I'm buying a used car privately which I will be collecting from the vendor. I understand the change of rules means the existing tax wont transfer.
DO I HAVE TO TAX IT BEFORE DRIVING IT?
To tax it I need the ref number from the new keeper supplement, which obviously I wont have until I've collected the car, but I found a DVLA vid that tells me I cant drive it without tax (at 1m 08s).
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vehicle-tax-cha...
Feel free to post abuse if I deserve it. Thanks.
I'm buying a used car privately which I will be collecting from the vendor. I understand the change of rules means the existing tax wont transfer.
DO I HAVE TO TAX IT BEFORE DRIVING IT?
To tax it I need the ref number from the new keeper supplement, which obviously I wont have until I've collected the car, but I found a DVLA vid that tells me I cant drive it without tax (at 1m 08s).
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vehicle-tax-cha...
Feel free to post abuse if I deserve it. Thanks.
yep I'm afraid so.
You can either do it online - or over the phone, but it has to be done there n then.
I did wonder if you could get away with driving it home as the DVLA won't have had the change of ownership notification, so technically it'd still be owned by the prev owner and I'm just driving it back on my insurance.
However the seller gave us the info when we paid a deposit a cpl of days before pickup so we were able to get it done there n then.
It also makes sense to try and buy at the beginning of the month, so that the seller gets a full refund for the up n coming month. We did and the seller knocked off their refund from the price of the car (about 8 months tax)
You can either do it online - or over the phone, but it has to be done there n then.
I did wonder if you could get away with driving it home as the DVLA won't have had the change of ownership notification, so technically it'd still be owned by the prev owner and I'm just driving it back on my insurance.
However the seller gave us the info when we paid a deposit a cpl of days before pickup so we were able to get it done there n then.
It also makes sense to try and buy at the beginning of the month, so that the seller gets a full refund for the up n coming month. We did and the seller knocked off their refund from the price of the car (about 8 months tax)
paul_y3k said:
It also makes sense to try and buy at the beginning of the month, so that the seller gets a full refund for the up n coming month. We did and the seller knocked off their refund from the price of the car (about 8 months tax)
I "think" this would only work if the seller refunded on the last day of the previous month, and the new buyer bought on the first day of the month. The DVLA work off the date written on the change of owner slip they receive, not the date they receive it.skip_1 said:
Surely you can drive it home and then tax at home, as long as it is same day?
yes, this seems the sensible optionthe tax will be valid upto and including the day of the changeover (date entered on DVLA form), otherwise, if the previous owner drove the car in the morning say, then they themselves would be driving without tax !
MikeyC said:
skip_1 said:
Surely you can drive it home and then tax at home, as long as it is same day?
yes, this seems the sensible optionthe tax will be valid upto and including the day of the changeover (date entered on DVLA form), otherwise, if the previous owner drove the car in the morning say, then they themselves would be driving without tax !
Bought my last one the last week of November 14 from a stealer so no tax on it, but my trader mate drove it home for me on his trade plates and it stayed off the road until 1 December when I taxed it. Not had any issues (so far)!
But it is a load of b*****ks as you say - makes sense to scrap the discs but FFS why not just let the tax stay on the car like it always did?
Or scrap the Road Fund Licence, clear sh*tloads of staff out of Swansea and use the saved salaries plus a penny or two of fuel duty to get the same income then do insurance checks on the insurance industry database, or is that too obvious?
Actually the system is brilliant, and the best thing they ever did. I have 12 vehicles and never have to go to the post office, and can now tax one for a short period and sorn it again in minutes from a pc, nobody can say that is crap surely.
Taxing is always from the fist of a month to the last day of a month no matter who pays. The V5 show a keeper not an owner. You can tax two days prior to the end of a month if the vehicle isn't to be used on the road. These are simple things to enable you to know if you buy a vehicle you are just a liable as always o insure it before you drive it anywhere. The tax taken out by the previous owner will be cancelled upon dvla receipt of notification of sale or transfer, but it lasts regardless to the end of the month. This is better than previously, as then they had to remove the required disc to return it for a refund, now they don't so it is actually better for all of us.
Just do a .gov check for your own sanity prior to purchase to check if a vehicle is taxed, if it is the seller cannot change anything displayed on that information page other than insurance, and neither can anyone else. So as long as you have cover on the day, drive it home and do nothing about tax until two days before the start of the following month if you wish. If you panic and want to tax it yourself when you get home fine, help the government earn the extra they're hoping for from this system, and double tax it for the changeover month. That is what they'd like.
Nowhere does it say a tax disc will end during a month even due to the change of ownership, only that the notification generates a tax cancellation and automatic refund to the person that took it out/registered keeper if different.
Enjoy your new motor
Taxing is always from the fist of a month to the last day of a month no matter who pays. The V5 show a keeper not an owner. You can tax two days prior to the end of a month if the vehicle isn't to be used on the road. These are simple things to enable you to know if you buy a vehicle you are just a liable as always o insure it before you drive it anywhere. The tax taken out by the previous owner will be cancelled upon dvla receipt of notification of sale or transfer, but it lasts regardless to the end of the month. This is better than previously, as then they had to remove the required disc to return it for a refund, now they don't so it is actually better for all of us.
Just do a .gov check for your own sanity prior to purchase to check if a vehicle is taxed, if it is the seller cannot change anything displayed on that information page other than insurance, and neither can anyone else. So as long as you have cover on the day, drive it home and do nothing about tax until two days before the start of the following month if you wish. If you panic and want to tax it yourself when you get home fine, help the government earn the extra they're hoping for from this system, and double tax it for the changeover month. That is what they'd like.
Nowhere does it say a tax disc will end during a month even due to the change of ownership, only that the notification generates a tax cancellation and automatic refund to the person that took it out/registered keeper if different.
Enjoy your new motor
^ if you check the tax status of a newly purchased car you haven't taxed, you'll find as soon as DVLA process the paperwork it shows as "Untaxed - 16th May 2015" - so your point about tax not being stopped mid month is wrong.
I really don't understand all of the "you'll be fine to drive it home", ";)" etc that goes on over this - how difficult is it to tax before driving off these days with internet access almost anywhere and phone calls even more widely available
I really don't understand all of the "you'll be fine to drive it home", ";)" etc that goes on over this - how difficult is it to tax before driving off these days with internet access almost anywhere and phone calls even more widely available
Edited by Toaster Pilot on Saturday 16th May 23:22
Toaster Pilot said:
^ if you check the tax status of a newly purchased car you haven't taxed, you'll find as soon as DVLA process the paperwork it shows as "Untaxed - 16th May 2015" - so your point about tax not being stopped mid month is wrong.
I really don't understand all of the "you'll be fine to drive it home", ";)" etc that goes on over this - how difficult is it to tax before driving off these days with internet access almost anywhere and phone calls even more widely available
Surely most car purchases take place at out of office hours times generally speaking, so the phone option is out at least? Can it be done 24/7 online, I've read not always.I really don't understand all of the "you'll be fine to drive it home", ";)" etc that goes on over this - how difficult is it to tax before driving off these days with internet access almost anywhere and phone calls even more widely available
Edited by Toaster Pilot on Saturday 16th May 23:22
ANPR only look for ins and MoT.
I waited for my new V5 to arrive, then taxed it. Two weeks.
HMG still get their grubby road tax as it will revert to the beginning of month.
The DVLA site does not accept the numbers from the blue section of old V5.
The car remains taxed for a period until DVLA receive and then act upon it.
I waited for my new V5 to arrive, then taxed it. Two weeks.
HMG still get their grubby road tax as it will revert to the beginning of month.
The DVLA site does not accept the numbers from the blue section of old V5.
The car remains taxed for a period until DVLA receive and then act upon it.
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