New Car Tax B******s

[Toaster Pilot]

BORN2bWILD said:

I have trade insurance and do not require or need trade plates so your stupid comment doesn't help this subject and ignores the real issue completely... guess that makes you a troll?

If you're messing about taxing cars for demonstration purposes why aren't you using trade plates for that purpose?

[BORN2bWILD]

I contacted DVLA again today, waiting for refunds on 2 vehicles, they admitted again that the problem is the system can not cope if vehicle sold shortly after taxing, which considering everything is shared computerised information seems a rediculous excuse.

Even better the TVR I sold 7 weeks ago had no record of being taxed, which I done for a full year at the local post office?
5 minutes later he admitted it did actually show it was taxed prior to being sold, ok so why no refund yet?
DVLA guy then said he didn't know and asked for date and amount I paid, I explained I didn't have the information as it was 7 weeks ago for cash in post office, gave him my best estimate and because it didn't match exactly what was paid or the date, (he refused to say which it was) he was now using this as an excuse not to issue the refund to the registered keeper at that time... WTF.

So DVLA admitted they have details car was taxed prior to sale but did not refund and now want exact details to match what they have in their system before they will issue my refund for 11 months tax.... complaint now started.

[Roo]

Toaster Pilot said:

BORN2bWILD said:

I have trade insurance and do not require or need trade plates so your stupid comment doesn't help this subject and ignores the real issue completely... guess that makes you a troll?

If you're messing about taxing cars for demonstration purposes why aren't you using trade plates for that purpose?

Which would be the easiest, and cheapest, solution.

I don't know of any motor trader who taxes cars just so they can do demos in them. Complete waste of time and money.

[BORN2bWILD]

Toaster Pilot said:

BORN2bWILD said:

I have trade insurance and do not require or need trade plates so your stupid comment doesn't help this subject and ignores the real issue completely... guess that makes you a troll?

If you're messing about taxing cars for demonstration purposes why aren't you using trade plates for that purpose?

I have a problem with 3 vehicles, ...
1) A Renault Trafic van I owned and kept taxed for last year, never SORN. I renewed the tax under the new system on 1st May so how is this messing about?
2) A Merc SLK55 AMG which I taxed and then sent number plate retention form as requested for previous owner, however DVLA retention department wrongly thought car had not been taxed and refused application, they then sent the form and my completed V5 in my wifes name as new keeper back to previous owner?
3)TVR bought as trade with view to maybe selling or keeping, it was taxed by me through the registered keeper (friend) to keep it legal for anyone who needed to test drive it and so it was legally kept parked on public road, something you can not do with the trade plates anyway so you going on about trade plates really make no sense.

Apart from above the fact is I have actually taxed only one trade vehicle in last 6 months since new tax system was started so I am hardly 'messing about taxing cars for demo purposes' am I?

[Roo]

BORN2bWILD said:

3)TVR bought as trade with view to maybe selling or keeping, it was taxed by me through the registered keeper (friend) to keep it legal for anyone who needed to test drive it and so it was legally kept parked on public road, something you can not do with the trade plates anyway so you going on about trade plates really make no sense.
 

As soon as he notified DVLA he'd sold the car he would get a refund and the car no longer needs to be taxed as it's noted as being in 'the trade'.

Why are you parking cars you've got for sale on the road?

[Toaster Pilot]

You never mentioned anything about keeping the 3rd vehicle on the public road previously - agree that trade plates aren't suitable if you have no off road storage but assumed any bone fide motor trader would have. (SORNing the van and using trade plates for a demo would've saved you the hassle with that too, again if you had it parked off road - and you didn't mention anything about the 2nd car or a plate transfer)

I don't understand this "taxed by the previous owner for me" lark either, it should work like this:

Motor trader buys vehicle, completes and sends off the "transfer to motor trade" yellow section of V5
Registered keeper gets tax refund if applicable, vehicle is now untaxed
New keeper taxes car at point of sale from trader using reference number on new keeper supplement

There's no longer any provision to tax and use a "with trade" vehicle like there used to be - so if you're trying to I'm far from surprised you're having problems

[BORN2bWILD]

It appears there will always be people more interested in putting 2+2 together and getting 5 when making assumptions about other peoples business, I guess this goes with these forums?

But why be so concerned about how I run my business and ignore the fact DVLA are making a right royal cock up of a new tax system that is just another stealth tax on motorists?

[Roo]

The new system works perfectly for people using it correctly.

[BORN2bWILD]

Toaster Pilot said:

You never mentioned anything about keeping the 3rd vehicle on the public road previously - agree that trade plates aren't suitable if you have no off road storage but assumed any bone fide motor trader would have. (SORNing the van and using trade plates for a demo would've saved you the hassle with that too, again if you had it parked off road - and you didn't mention anything about the 2nd car or a plate transfer)

I don't understand this "taxed by the previous owner for me" lark either, it should work like this:

Motor trader buys vehicle, completes and sends off the "transfer to motor trade" yellow section of V5
Registered keeper gets tax refund if applicable, vehicle is now untaxed
New keeper taxes car at point of sale from trader using reference number on new keeper supplement

There's no longer any provision to tax and use a "with trade" vehicle like there used to be - so if you're trying to I'm far from surprised you're having problems

I purchased the TVR from a friend, as his name was the registered keeper I taxed it through him knowing he would get the refund when car sold as trade do not get tax refunds anyway now.
Not a 'lark'.. just a way of paying tax and keeping car legal on public road as it was stored off road and SORN prior to my buying it.. it really isn't that difficult to understand... honest.

[BORN2bWILD]

Roo said:

The new system works perfectly for people using it correctly.

clearly it doesn't

[Toaster Pilot]

BORN2bWILD said:

I purchased the TVR from a friend, as his name was the registered keeper I taxed it through him knowing he would get the refund when car sold as trade do not get tax refunds anyway now.
Not a 'lark'.. just a way of paying tax and keeping car legal on public road as it was stored off road and SORN prior to my buying it.. it really isn't that difficult to understand... honest.

So he remains the registered keeper and DVLA are never notified that it's with trade whilst it's in your possession - so you're not really a trader at all just another chancer?

[Roo]

BORN2bWILD said:

Roo said:

The new system works perfectly for people using it correctly.

clearly it doesn't

It does for people who know what they're doing.

Which, as a motor trader, you should do as it's part of your legal obligations.

[BORN2bWILD]

Roo said:

As soon as he notified DVLA he'd sold the car he would get a refund and the car no longer needs to be taxed as it's noted as being in 'the trade'.

Why are you parking cars you've got for sale on the road?

1) Car was taxed by me through him as registered keeper, only when car sold by me would DVLA be able to start refund.

2) Why can't I park a car on the road that I want to sell.. mb the planet you live on does not allow a insured and taxed vehicle to be parked on the road if the owner intends to sell it, but last time I checked it was ok in UK.

[BORN2bWILD]

Toaster Pilot said:

So he remains the registered keeper and DVLA are never notified that it's with trade whilst it's in your possession - so you're not really a trader at all just another chancer?

WRONG... again

[Toaster Pilot]

BORN2bWILD said:

Toaster Pilot said:

So he remains the registered keeper and DVLA are never notified that it's with trade whilst it's in your possession - so you're not really a trader at all just another chancer?

WRONG... again

How so? You've said yourself that he remains the registered keeper (and thus receives the tax refund when the car is sold) - there's no record anywhere of the vehicle being in your possession as a motor trader.

You're operating outside of the law, plain and simple

Check your trade insurance policy wording very carefully also - mine would not cover vehicles registered in the way you describe.

[BORN2bWILD]

Toaster Pilot said:

How so? You've said yourself that he remains the registered keeper (and thus receives the tax refund when the car is sold) - there's no record anywhere of the vehicle being in your possession as a motor trader.

You're operating outside of the law, plain and simple

Check your trade insurance policy wording very carefully also - mine would not cover vehicles registered in the way you describe.

Every assumption you are making is wrong, as previously stated you are putting 2+2 and getting 5.. you just don't realise it.

I do not see the point of you continuing to ignore the blatant failings of the DVLA in a attempt to attack me when you know nothing about me or the business I run.... but isn't this what a troll does?

[HTP99]

Toaster Pilot said:

tonygt3 said:

ANPR only look for ins and MoT.

That's not true and also the number of DVLA ANPR cars that look solely for tax is increasing too.

Yep, last week our garage received a notice that one of our used cars was picked up by an ANPR camera, on the road whilst untaxed, we have requested photographic evidence to see if there are trade plates on the car.

[BORN2bWILD]

My mate runs a large local van hire company, they sold a ex fleet van in middle of April.

New owner was caught on camera next day and DVLA said van not taxed due new ownership.

However my mate spoke with DVLA at request of new owner who was a friend and told them van was sold but new owner had not actually taken delivery and it was being driven by one of his staff. (complete BS)

However DVLA took no further action as they had been told it was not the new owner driving!

[speedking31]

HTP99 said:

Yep, last week our garage received a notice that one of our used cars was picked up by an ANPR camera, on the road whilst untaxed, we have requested photographic evidence to see if there are trade plates on the car.

Why go on the defensive? Just state that it was on trade plates and let the prosecution do the leg work.

[Speed Badger]

Roo said:

The new system works perfectly for people using it correctly.

So where is my £22.08? Why have I been refunded 7 months tax, when my car was taxed until the 1st September and I sold it on the 28th December? Clearly 8 full months remaining.