The "Sh*t Driving Caught On Dashcam" Thread
Discussion
saaby93 said:
Calletrece said:
Not exemplary, but he's definitely in the right,
Afraid not - someone needs to quote the piece from the front of the HC about avoiding a collisionHe's supposed to be professional so should have seen what was happening and 'avoid'
By creeping forward he's also placed the car in his blindspot and was still half a car behind when it happened
The car driver is 100% to blame. We also can't see if there was another driver behind the bmw alongside the truck to make it even harder for the lorry to take evasive action.
CoolHands said:
I disagree. Initially the lorry driver would not know what the driver in lane 1 was going to do and the lorry is traveling faster. So they're all going along properly. As the cats eyes start veering left for the roadworks it is only at that point the car driver starts to come back into lane 2 over the temp cats eyes. The bmw is to the lorry's right so he has nowhere to go. The lorry driver can't have known beforehand what was going to happen.
Like the lorry driver you missed what the traffic in front is doing, theyre keeping with the white hard shoulder line.As a professional driver the truck driver should have spotted that. Like the traffic in front the car's gone straight on, the truck drivers side swiped the car.
I previously posted they should have erased the hard shoulder line there to avoid confusion. If they can see many people are getting it wrong they should be out there changing it.
The road markings are most at fault, truck driver should have spotted it so next in the pecking order (and is behind). The car driver is probably not experienced and is only doing the same as those in front and cant tell what the truck behind is about to do, so minimal blame.
Martin4x4 said:
I agree, HGV shows a lack situational awareness and long way short of the claimed "exemplary driving".
Edited by saaby93 on Saturday 29th August 15:14
saaby93 said:
CoolHands said:
I disagree. Initially the lorry driver would not know what the driver in lane 1 was going to do and the lorry is traveling faster. So they're all going along properly. As the cats eyes start veering left for the roadworks it is only at that point the car driver starts to come back into lane 2 over the temp cats eyes. The bmw is to the lorry's right so he has nowhere to go. The lorry driver can't have known beforehand what was going to happen.
Like the lorry driver you missed what the traffic in front is doing, theyre keeping with the white hard shoulder line.As a professional driver the truck driver should have spotted that. Like the traffic in front the car's gone straight on, the truck drivers side swiped the car.
I previously posted they should have erased the hard shoulder line there to avoid confusion. If they can see many people are getting it wrong they should be out there changing it.
The road markings are most at fault, truck driver should have spotted it so next in the pecking order (and is behind). The car driver is probably not experienced and is only doing the same as those in front and cant tell what the truck behind is about to do, so minimal blame.
So all in all the main fault seems to lie with the roadworks people - terrible effort from them. The yellow temp catseyes weren't that visible and the bold white hardshoulder lane naturally makes people not want to cross it, even though it looks like they'd blacked it out is is still very visible.
saaby93 said:
Like the lorry driver you missed what the traffic in front is doing, theyre keeping with the white hard shoulder line.
As a professional driver the truck driver should have spotted that. Like the traffic in front the car's gone straight on, the truck drivers side swiped the car.
When you say "traffic in front" and "they're keeping with the white line", who is? There are cars ahead in the clip who managed to use the hard shoulder perfectly well.Given that an HGV driver is always looking and planning ahead, he may have simply assumed the one car you see that does as you suggest simply didn't want the inside lane and the rest were all moving over perfectly well.As a professional driver the truck driver should have spotted that. Like the traffic in front the car's gone straight on, the truck drivers side swiped the car.
Car driver 100% to blame.Road layout or not, to suggest otherwise is to suggest that despite having a nice clear hard shoulder to use, you would rather steer into the side of an HGV.Perhaps the car didn't see it?
Digby said:
Road layout or not, to suggest otherwise is to suggest that despite having a nice clear hard shoulder to use, you would rather steer into the side of an HGV.Perhaps the car didn't see it?
Do you mean the car wouldnt have seen the truck? or didnt know what the truck was doing?Yes the car wouldnt have seen it because the truck was half way back.
The car didnt steer anywhere it just went straight on
The truck veered across in the hope the car had done the same, unfortunately it was a vain hope and side swiped the back of the car
Easy mistake. If it had held back until after the chicane, it would have seen exactly what was happening
The car moved left enough to make any "pro" driver think that it was about to do the same as the others you can see in the video.They obviously had no trouble.There are only two people making mistakes in that video and they are both car drivers.It can be debated all day long, but it's a simple fact and is there for all to see.
"Veered across"? No, he moved across as he should and has he was directed to do.
"Veered across"? No, he moved across as he should and has he was directed to do.
Edited by Digby on Saturday 29th August 23:04
gazza285 said:
saaby93 said:
The truck veered across in the hope the car had done the same.
No, the truck followed its lane, as did the car on its offside. All this talk about professional drivers and anticipation does not change the fact that the car driver f
ked up and is to blame.Digby said:
The car moved left enough to make any "pro" driver think that it was about to do the same as the others you can see in the video.They obviously had no trouble.There are only two people making mistakes in that video and they are both car drivers.It can be debated all day long, but it's a simple fact and is there for all to see.
"Veered across"? No, he moved across as he should and has he was directed to do.
You're running through the same things I thought to start with, with the 'company line' video."Veered across"? No, he moved across as he should and has he was directed to do.
Then you think it's a truck driver a professional driver. Then you think about things like roundabouts where whatever happens you try to make sure youre not alongside someone in case they carry on around or not.
Its already obvious (as the video points out) that it's a dithery driver. The traffic ahead you can see the car and boat in front go straight on.
If the truck driver has any doubts, and he ought to have, he ought to have just dropped that 1mph differential and seen whether the car goes straight on like the car in front or goes into the hard shoulder.
There's little point sliding across into the back of the car, think of the paper work.
As I said if I was road markings dictator and seen whats happening I'd have been out there already with more paint and pogo sticks until everyone was following the line I wanted.
The truck driver didnt see what was happening (or what wasnt) in front of him
Digby said:
he or she has also paid no attention / not seen the position of a vehicle the size of a three bed semi as he or she wandered left to right.
Why would they worry about it? To them, assuming theyve spotted it, it's half way back and behind. I bet they had no idea it was going to hit the back of themAgain - it's supposed to be a professional truck driver, why go there? Think ahead, there are messages, hold back.
Edited by saaby93 on Saturday 29th August 23:31
Digby said:
"Veered across"? No, he moved across as he should and has he was directed to do.
Agree, Truck was Ok and the track of the car was in effect (as they should be between the temp lane markers) moving across a lane into the truck. Edited by Digby on Saturday 29th August 23:04
I also do not like that marker set up when I encounter it, esp when wet in daylight as it limits the reflectors effect and makes the over-painted white line shine. This could easily be confused by a nervous inexperienced driver, I have seen people struggle with these a few times.
A basic error is the car drawing alongside a truck for so long, back off a little as the speed is regulated to 50mph so there is no point being in the statistically most dangerous position where ever you are/road your on. Never sit under a truck...simple, the car did.
As a factor you could question the forward thinking/threat awareness of the truck driver, he also could slow to allow the car to move out of the danger zone.
Edited by Stickyfinger on Saturday 29th August 23:23
saaby93 said:
Digby said:
The car moved left enough to make any "pro" driver think that it was about to do the same as the others you can see in the video.They obviously had no trouble.There are only two people making mistakes in that video and they are both car drivers.It can be debated all day long, but it's a simple fact and is there for all to see.
"Veered across"? No, he moved across as he should and has he was directed to do.
You're running through the same things I thought to start with, with the 'company line' video."Veered across"? No, he moved across as he should and has he was directed to do.
Then you think it's a truck driver a professional driver. Then you think about things like roundabouts where whatever happens you try to make sure youre not alongside someone in case they carry on around or not.
Its already obvious (as the video points out) that it's a dithery driver. The traffic ahead you can see the car and boat in front go straight on.
If the truck driver has any doubts, and he ought to have, he ought to have just dropped that 1mph differential and seen whether the car goes straight on like the car in front or goes into the hard shoulder.
There's little point sliding across into the back of the car, think of the paper work.
As I said if I was road markings dictator and seen whats happening I'd have been out there already with more paint and pogo sticks until everyone was following the line I wanted.
The truck driver didnt see what was happening (or what wasnt) in front of him
Digby said:
he or she has also paid no attention / not seen the position of a vehicle the size of a three bed semi as he or she wandered left to right.
Why would they worry about it? To them, assuming theyve spotted it, it's half way back and behind. I bet they had no idea it was going to hit the back of themAgain - it's supposed to be a professional truck driver, why go there? Think ahead, there are messages, hold back.
Edited by saaby93 on Saturday 29th August 23:31
I know a manager at Maritime, I'll find out what the outcome was insurance wise and let you know..
saaby93 said:
Digby said:
Road layout or not, to suggest otherwise is to suggest that despite having a nice clear hard shoulder to use, you would rather steer into the side of an HGV.Perhaps the car didn't see it?
Do you mean the car wouldnt have seen the truck? or didnt know what the truck was doing?Yes the car wouldnt have seen it because the truck was half way back.
The car didnt steer anywhere it just went straight on
The truck veered across in the hope the car had done the same, unfortunately it was a vain hope and side swiped the back of the car
Easy mistake. If it had held back until after the chicane, it would have seen exactly what was happening
Once again you are proving yourself to be the utter bell end that you are. You really should be banned from commenting in these threads as clearly the only driving experience you have is driving your mobility scooter to your local One Stop 7-11. You certainly have no experience of driving on public roads and certainly no experience of driving a truck judging from the stupid comments you make."Yes the car wouldn't have seen it" -
Yeah right, because a 60ft long, 8ft wide, 14ft tall object is completely invisible in broad daylight isn't it. "The car didn't steer anywhere it just went straight on" - exactly why it's 100% the car driver's fault as not only are there clearly visible reflective studs marking the lane deviation but also leading up to the roadworks there are 2x 6ft x 6ft bright orange signs with big arrows on them showing where each lane deviates to and if that were not enough warning there is also a large orange sign with use black letters on it stating "USE HARD SHOULDER". But oh no, none of that matters, it's all the truck driver's fault!
"The truck veered across" -
Now you're just trolling us. Please, just do us all a favour and stay out of any thread to do with driving until you actually have some real world driving experience of the vehicles involved and leave the commenting to those of us that know what we're talking about. Cheers.
The M3 last week, I was in this queue for 20 minutes, then found it was caused by the recovery of these 2 bent BMWs, so my day got better 
https://youtu.be/h4nHAeBy_L8
https://youtu.be/h4nHAeBy_L8
M4cruiser said:
The M3 last week, I was in this queue for 20 minutes, then found it was caused by the recovery of these 2 bent BMWs, so my day got better
https://youtu.be/h4nHAeBy_L8
Huh? Why was that good?https://youtu.be/h4nHAeBy_L8
ORD said:
M4cruiser said:
The M3 last week, I was in this queue for 20 minutes, then found it was caused by the recovery of these 2 bent BMWs, so my day got better
https://youtu.be/h4nHAeBy_L8
Huh? Why was that good?https://youtu.be/h4nHAeBy_L8
Non-event clip, that one.
DM79 said:
Latest one: http://youtu.be/PYO6nId1K0A
At 1.37 it's the camera car that's in the wrong and yet the stupid woman driving the camera car is blaming the VW!!Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff