The "Sh*t Driving Caught On Dashcam" Thread
Discussion
WinstonWolf said:
Not for that he won't, he had more than enough time to enter the road safely without you taking any action.
A complete non-event.
Okay so answer this, if you were taking a driving exam and you were in the exact spot the police van is and another car was going round the roundabout, if you pulled out at exactly the same time as in the video would the examiner fail you?A complete non-event.
The answer is yes, you would fail.
You give way to traffic on the right. There is no other way about this.
robbiekhan said:
WinstonWolf said:
Not for that he won't, he had more than enough time to enter the road safely without you taking any action.
A complete non-event.
Okay so answer this, if you were taking a driving exam and you were in the exact spot the police van is and another car was going round the roundabout, if you pulled out at exactly the same time as in the video would the examiner fail you?A complete non-event.
The answer is yes, you would fail.
You give way to traffic on the right. There is no other way about this.
NoNeed said:
PoleDriver said:
NoNeed said:
robbiekhan said:
At the risk of sounding thick, what did they do wrong?
Robbie,
Think of the following:
There is a roundabout with 4 exits (and entrances), one at each of North, South, East and West.
Let's say you are coming from the North entrance and intend to exit West (So will pass East and South). Now, let's say a car is at the South entrance heading North. The roundabout is fairly large. At what point do you believe the car should give way to you, assuming you enter the roundabout before they do ? You are wrongly assuming that traffic must stop for others on the right, no matter where they are on the roundabout. That is incorrect - as others have said, it is proceed when safe to do so, with priority given to traffic on the right. Which is what the police van did.
Think of the following:
There is a roundabout with 4 exits (and entrances), one at each of North, South, East and West.
Let's say you are coming from the North entrance and intend to exit West (So will pass East and South). Now, let's say a car is at the South entrance heading North. The roundabout is fairly large. At what point do you believe the car should give way to you, assuming you enter the roundabout before they do ? You are wrongly assuming that traffic must stop for others on the right, no matter where they are on the roundabout. That is incorrect - as others have said, it is proceed when safe to do so, with priority given to traffic on the right. Which is what the police van did.
Non event !!! Would you do that if you were taking a test? No. But if everyone drove to the standard they had when they passed their test we would be in trouble because most new drivers can barely drive they merely conform to certain standards, same as an MOT does not necessarily mean the car is road legal.
I don't really care who disagrees, a rules is a rule, if there's traffic on the right, then you give way.
Sure everyone breaks rules sometimes and some would even argue that life would be tedious on the roads if nobody did, and fair enough I agree. But junctions and roundabouts I treat with utter respect and follow the rules having seen what happens when people don't.
Sure everyone breaks rules sometimes and some would even argue that life would be tedious on the roads if nobody did, and fair enough I agree. But junctions and roundabouts I treat with utter respect and follow the rules having seen what happens when people don't.
Edited by robbiekhan on Wednesday 10th June 17:39
robbiekhan said:
Highway code states you should give way to traffic on the right when joining a roundabout.
I'm sorry to be pedantic, however I believe (it did when I had my little book) the highway code actually states that when joining a roundabout you give way to traffic already on said roundabout. Subtle difference.However, yes - the police vehicle should give way to you if his progress would otherwise hinder yours. His progress didn't hinder yours so what's the problem.
I was always taught and I continue to try to keep in mind that one shouldn't make any manoeuvre on the road that will cause another driver to have to take evasive action. Now, obviously this isn't always possible, but it's a general rule of thumb. The police officer's driving didn't require you to take any evasive action.
Now, let's take a situation such as this roundabout at the top of the Farnham Road, Slough:
You arrive at the roundabout at the 12 o'clock position, wanting to go right to 9 o'clock. There's a vehicle who's approached from 6 o'clock, indicated right and wants to leave at 3 o'clock.
When you approach the roundabout, the other vehicle is at 9 o'clock, continuing around the roundabout.
Are you seriously telling me that you'd wait until he'd gone all the way past 12 o'clock before pulling out to ensure you're "giving way to the right" or similar?
robbiekhan said:
I don't really care who disagrees, a rules is a rule, if there's traffic on the right, then you give way.
Sure everyone breaks rules sometimes and some would even argue that life would be tedious on the roads if nobody did, and fair enough I agree. But junctions and roundabouts I treat with utter respect and follow the rules having seen what happens when people don't.
BRAKE is that way >>>>>>>>> just pass Mumsnet! Sure everyone breaks rules sometimes and some would even argue that life would be tedious on the roads if nobody did, and fair enough I agree. But junctions and roundabouts I treat with utter respect and follow the rules having seen what happens when people don't.
Edited by robbiekhan on Wednesday 10th June 17:39
robbiekhan said:
I don't really care who disagrees, a rules is a rule, if there's traffic on the right, then you give way.
Sure everyone breaks rules sometimes and some would even argue that life would be tedious on the roads if nobody did, and fair enough I agree. But junctions and roundabouts I treat with utter respect and follow the rules having seen what happens when people don't.
If you were correct someone would agree with you, the fact that not one single person does should tell you something.Sure everyone breaks rules sometimes and some would even argue that life would be tedious on the roads if nobody did, and fair enough I agree. But junctions and roundabouts I treat with utter respect and follow the rules having seen what happens when people don't.
Edited by robbiekhan on Wednesday 10th June 17:39
The rule is not if there is traffic to the right, the rule is priority to the right.
robbiekhan said:
I don't really care who disagrees, a rules is a rule, if there's traffic on the right, then you give way.
Sure everyone breaks rules sometimes and some would even argue that life would be tedious on the roads if nobody did, and fair enough I agree. But junctions and roundabouts I treat with utter respect and follow the rules having seen what happens when people don't.
He did not have to give way to you as you were far enough away it did not cause you to alter your path around the roundabout, the law is more specific if indeed it is law (highway code) its a bit like the pirates code in Pirates of the Caribbean, its more of a guideline!!! So your saying if you are at a junction or roundabout and you can see a car to the right you have to let it past before you pull out ???Sure everyone breaks rules sometimes and some would even argue that life would be tedious on the roads if nobody did, and fair enough I agree. But junctions and roundabouts I treat with utter respect and follow the rules having seen what happens when people don't.
Edited by robbiekhan on Wednesday 10th June 17:39
The Gov website states you give priority, ie you do not force the car to stop that is approaching from the right.
Q: If it had not been a Police vehicle then would you have posted the clip??
Mr10secs said:
Q: If it had not been a Police vehicle then would you have posted the clip??
Probably not as I'd have dismissed it as just another motorist on the road not giving way or paying attention to traffic on the right. So indeed I posted it because it was a police officer, because you'd expect them to be taking extra caution on the road vs everyday folks like us.I guess my point is this, he didn't slow down once, or indicate, and just carried on. Sure he saw a gap and went, which is fine. I'm not debating that in itself, what I am debating is not giving way to traffic on the right.
The reason I maintain my stance is mostly in part due to the attitude some of you above have shown, especially in one of the comments on the video itself (now removed). If people were genuinely decent and quizzed me as such I'd have been more agreeable, but racism and poor attitude I will never fall in line with.
Edited by robbiekhan on Wednesday 10th June 18:15
robbiekhan said:
Mr10secs said:
Q: If it had not been a Police vehicle then would you have posted the clip??
Probably not as I'd have dismissed it as just another motorist on the road not giving way or paying attention to traffic on the right. So indeed I posted it because it was a police officer, because you'd expect them to be taking extra caution on the road vs everyday folks like us.I guess my point is this, he didn't slow down once, or indicate, and just carried on. Sure he saw a gap and went, which is fine. I'm not debating that in itself, what I am debating is not giving way to traffic on the right.
The reason I maintain my stance is mostly in part due to the attitude some of you above have shown, especially in one of the comments on the video itself (now removed). If people were genuinely decent and quizzed me as such I'd have been more agreeable, but racism and poor attitude I will never fall in line with.
Edited by robbiekhan on Wednesday 10th June 18:15
Is it now racist to disagree with someone?
robbiekhan said:
I guess my point is this, he didn't slow down once, or indicate, and just carried on. Sure he saw a gap and went, which is fine. I'm not debating that in itself, what I am debating is not giving way to traffic on the right.
Watch the start of your video, did you slow down? What lane were you in? Was the police van always on your right?Edited by robbiekhan on Wednesday 10th June 18:15
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 10th June 18:34
The police officer in that clip has approached and entered the roundabout in exactly the way they were taught to do on their standard (and possibly advanced) driving course.
There is a huge difference between giving way and stopping. Perhaps you could do with some further driver training?
There is a huge difference between giving way and stopping. Perhaps you could do with some further driver training?
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