The "Sh*t Driving Caught On Dashcam" Thread
Discussion
pinchmeimdreamin said:
monthefish said:
Yes, it is possible that a more skilled biker might have been able to salvage the situation, but that does not, in any way, make it his fault that he was unable to do so.
No but perhaps overtaking on a road where it's not allowed, On a bend was his fault.Why's it not allowed on that road? (admittedly, I don't know that particular stretch of road, but from the footage, I reckon I';d have had that overtake any day of the week.)
If the car moved left then the only change he would've made to his line would've been to lean even more to HIS left, so I don't see how you can blame the car for causing him to straighten up? 
As said, he was nowhere near the limit of the bike & could've leant that over a lot more than he did; classic target fixation possibly combined with not enough experience.
As said, he was nowhere near the limit of the bike & could've leant that over a lot more than he did; classic target fixation possibly combined with not enough experience.
Centurion07 said:
If the car moved left then the only change he would've made to his line would've been to lean even more to HIS left, so I don't see how you can blame the car for causing him to straighten up?
You can't see what happens before/during his passing of the car.If he's before the apex, and he's had to go further left on account of the car, he's then going to have to correct back to the right (otherwise he's be going off the road on the LHS)
monthefish said:
A bend can be a great place to overtake (if it's the inside of a bend, your TED can be reduced significantly).
Why's it not allowed on that road? (admittedly, I don't know that particular stretch of road, but from the footage, I reckon I';d have had that overtake any day of the week.)
I don't know why its not allowed. Possibly to avoid accidents like this.Why's it not allowed on that road? (admittedly, I don't know that particular stretch of road, but from the footage, I reckon I';d have had that overtake any day of the week.)
kapiteinlangzaam said:
Also worth mentioning that o/taking is apparently prohibited along the whole length of the road.
Centurion07 said:
If the car moved left then the only change he would've made to his line would've been to lean even more to HIS left, so I don't see how you can blame the car for causing him to straighten up?
As said, he was nowhere near the limit of the bike & could've leant that over a lot more than he did; classic target fixation possibly combined with not enough experience.
Having spent time photographing bikes on track days at Oulton park I'd say this was loss of bottle / inexperienceAs said, he was nowhere near the limit of the bike & could've leant that over a lot more than he did; classic target fixation possibly combined with not enough experience.
I've seen quite a few get 1/2 way round a bend , nowhere near the limit of the bike but they feel like they are so they stand it up and end up cartwheeling through the gravel.
Looke to me like he went for braking rather than leaning
wack said:
Having spent time photographing bikes on track days at Oulton park I'd say this was loss of bottle / inexperience
I've seen quite a few get 1/2 way round a bend , nowhere near the limit of the bike but they feel like they are so they stand it up and end up cartwheeling through the gravel.
Looke to me like he went for braking rather than leaning
It certainly looked like the bike could have avoided the wall. But that's how accidents happen isn't it, normally (but not always) even the none fault party could have avoided it if they had been sharper.I've seen quite a few get 1/2 way round a bend , nowhere near the limit of the bike but they feel like they are so they stand it up and end up cartwheeling through the gravel.
Looke to me like he went for braking rather than leaning
The car moving left made the bike take a much shallower line into the corner - this leads to a wider line out of the corner which in this case took the bike into the wall.
I didn't see any indication of that being a no overtaking area - if it was then it pushed more responsibility onto the bike. But the car shouldn't just drift onto the wrong side of the road the way it did either.
Hungrymc said:
wack said:
Having spent time photographing bikes on track days at Oulton park I'd say this was loss of bottle / inexperience
I've seen quite a few get 1/2 way round a bend , nowhere near the limit of the bike but they feel like they are so they stand it up and end up cartwheeling through the gravel.
Looke to me like he went for braking rather than leaning
It certainly looked like the bike could have avoided the wall. But that's how accidents happen isn't it, normally (but not always) even the none fault party could have avoided it if they had been sharper.I've seen quite a few get 1/2 way round a bend , nowhere near the limit of the bike but they feel like they are so they stand it up and end up cartwheeling through the gravel.
Looke to me like he went for braking rather than leaning
The car moving left made the bike take a much shallower line into the corner - this leads to a wider line out of the corner which in this case took the bike into the wall.
I didn't see any indication of that being a no overtaking area - if it was then it pushed more responsibility onto the bike. But the car shouldn't just drift onto the wrong side of the road the way it did either.
Good post. Couldn't have put it better myself.
V8A*ndy said:
'Lance Armstrong' with a picture of 'downhilldimwit' must be a PHer, surely?
Hungrymc said:
It certainly looked like the bike could have avoided the wall. But that's how accidents happen isn't it, normally (but not always) even the none fault party could have avoided it if they had been sharper.
The car moving left made the bike take a much shallower line into the corner - this leads to a wider line out of the corner which in this case took the bike into the wall.
I didn't see any indication of that being a no overtaking area - if it was then it pushed more responsibility onto the bike. But the car shouldn't just drift onto the wrong side of the road the way it did either.
Cars cannot straighten a corner but bikes can ? why would that be then ?The car moving left made the bike take a much shallower line into the corner - this leads to a wider line out of the corner which in this case took the bike into the wall.
I didn't see any indication of that being a no overtaking area - if it was then it pushed more responsibility onto the bike. But the car shouldn't just drift onto the wrong side of the road the way it did either.
I would think that you should expect it on that road and the bike seems not to of used anything more than luck he was seen. Hell he may even been hidden by a corner the last time (every 10 secs ?) the car looked in his mirrors.
On a windy road, steep walls and a drop I would not expect a driver to be looking in the rear view mirror very often.
anonymous said:
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Assuming the top video, yeah? The lady hopping onto the bike? Lol. One thing I have to say with bikes is, I feel incredibly sorry for them when the cars get it wrong and they're a victim. However, in an unfortunately high proportion of the scenarios they are, how can I say this...asking for it.
P.s. Nice search history!
Stickyfinger said:
Cars cannot straighten a corner but bikes can ? why would that be then ?
I would think that you should expect it on that road and the bike seems not to of used anything more than luck he was seen. Hell he may even been hidden by a corner the last time (every 10 secs ?) the car looked in his mirrors.
On a windy road, steep walls and a drop I would not expect a driver to be looking in the rear view mirror very often.
It is VITAL to check mirrors before pulling out of one's marked lane, or even moving across within it (think lunatic 'filtering' by motorcyclists on multi-lane roads / motorways).I would think that you should expect it on that road and the bike seems not to of used anything more than luck he was seen. Hell he may even been hidden by a corner the last time (every 10 secs ?) the car looked in his mirrors.
On a windy road, steep walls and a drop I would not expect a driver to be looking in the rear view mirror very often.
Cliftonite said:
It is VITAL to check mirrors before pulling out of one's marked lane, or even moving across within it (think lunatic 'filtering' by motorcyclists on multi-lane roads / motorways).
it may be BUT it is NOT a race track it is a public road.and you trust/expect:
they would look in the mirror more often than a (reasonable) every 5/10 secs or so ?
a car with a caravan sees a fast White bike with a rider in White leather coming FAST from a corner back ??
a caravan/car combo concentrating on what's behind rather than a narrow twisty road with high walls and a drop ?
a caravan is going to see a fast bike at a x2 closing speed ?
trust on mate, not me.
Edited by Stickyfinger on Saturday 5th December 21:15
SpeedMattersNot said:
anonymous said:
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Assuming the top video, yeah? The lady hopping onto the bike? Lol. One thing I have to say with bikes is, I feel incredibly sorry for them when the cars get it wrong and they're a victim. However, in an unfortunately high proportion of the scenarios they are, how can I say this...asking for it.
P.s. Nice search history!
Stickyfinger said:
Cars cannot straighten a corner but bikes can ? why would that be then ?
I would think that you should expect it on that road and the bike seems not to of used anything more than luck he was seen. Hell he may even been hidden by a corner the last time (every 10 secs ?) the car looked in his mirrors.
On a windy road, steep walls and a drop I would not expect a driver to be looking in the rear view mirror very often.
When did I say cars can't straighten a corner? Did you also miss the point where I said the bike could have avoided it had the rider been a bit sharper? Were you responding to someone else ?????I would think that you should expect it on that road and the bike seems not to of used anything more than luck he was seen. Hell he may even been hidden by a corner the last time (every 10 secs ?) the car looked in his mirrors.
On a windy road, steep walls and a drop I would not expect a driver to be looking in the rear view mirror very often.
The time I'd really expect the car driver to check their mirrors and be sure of what other traffic is around them is just before it swings onto the wrong side of the road. Really can't see what the problem is with that.
Would I have overtaken there? Probably not but possibly, I can't say for certain from what we see in the video. I think I'd have wanted the pass completed earlier (before the car could turn in) or a little later after seeing the car commit to a line. Would I have just pulled onto the other side of the road in the way the car did? Not without being very certain of what was around me.
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