The "Sh*t Driving Caught On Dashcam" Thread
Discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVatjFKOJhU
First time I've bothered to upload anything (and I've only saved one video before, and that was of me getting run into from behind)
The fisheye effect does diminish both how clear my view was, and how close that little swerve got. Whole other lane, really looked like punishment.
First time I've bothered to upload anything (and I've only saved one video before, and that was of me getting run into from behind)
The fisheye effect does diminish both how clear my view was, and how close that little swerve got. Whole other lane, really looked like punishment.
Ahimoth said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVatjFKOJhU
First time I've bothered to upload anything (and I've only saved one video before, and that was of me getting run into from behind)
The fisheye effect does diminish both how clear my view was, and how close that little swerve got. Whole other lane, really looked like punishment.
Cant see why that happened. Where the red car is waiting at the roundabout, where is the cycle?First time I've bothered to upload anything (and I've only saved one video before, and that was of me getting run into from behind)
The fisheye effect does diminish both how clear my view was, and how close that little swerve got. Whole other lane, really looked like punishment.
heebeegeetee said:
gavsdavs said:
1. The witch hunter comments comes from the enthusiasm with which you're willing to damn the bus driver for looking at sudoku and the keenness to say "that's unacceptable, take his license and string him up", yet you're willing to say for a similar level of distraction "I was looking at a map, that's okay".
2. What you seem unable to understand is the risk you pose to someone when stationary is zero. So long as you stay put, you're an obstacle. When you decide you want to move, then you'd check accordingly.
3. "It's simple to understand".
1. Er, I don't think I have said that. I think I've actually said that I don't think it's asking a lot to ask a driver of a large vehicle to not do soduko while he's driving. If it was my bus I'd sack him, but I don't see a need to ban him 'cos I don't think he'll do it again. Has anybody actually asked for that?2. What you seem unable to understand is the risk you pose to someone when stationary is zero. So long as you stay put, you're an obstacle. When you decide you want to move, then you'd check accordingly.
3. "It's simple to understand".
2. Whoa!! You are so wrong with that that it is frightening, it truly is. A reason for s
t driving explained in one very short sentence.3. Be honest, (and I may well be wrong in asking), but have you ever spent much time at the wheel of a large vehicle, and are you a young driver?
I'd like to know, since I clearly don't get it.
Your context is - you're at some red lights, surrounded by lycra wearers doing random things like missing a pedal and falling into the street.
Remember you must answer the question being asked, not the one you want to answer.
3. No, I've not got a HGV license, and yes I am a young driver. I've been driving 28 years, only 17 of which have been in central London.
First time you see the cyclist, he can be seen the other side of the Range Rover's bonnet. So he entered the roundabout ahead. Perhaps the Meriva was pissed off at having to overtake him, possibly overtake him again even. Or he's incompetent, and the swerve in was merely how he cuts back in after a (crap) overtake.
Either way, it was rather close in person.
Either way, it was rather close in person.
gavsdavs said:
2. How is it you "pose a risk" to another road user when you are sat still ?
I'd like to know, since I clearly don't get it.
Your context is - you're at some red lights, surrounded by lycra wearers doing random things like missing a pedal and falling into the street.
Remember you must answer the question being asked, not the one you want to answer.
3. No, I've not got a HGV license, and yes I am a young driver. I've been driving 28 years, only 17 of which have been in central London.
2. I'll answer, but firstly - there's a couple of points you are getting wrong imo: You keep saying the bus is stationary. 'Stationary' means "not moving or not intended to be moved" and "not mobile" amongst other definitions. Well, the bus is mobile and it is intended to be moved.I'd like to know, since I clearly don't get it.
Your context is - you're at some red lights, surrounded by lycra wearers doing random things like missing a pedal and falling into the street.
Remember you must answer the question being asked, not the one you want to answer.
3. No, I've not got a HGV license, and yes I am a young driver. I've been driving 28 years, only 17 of which have been in central London.
The other point though is that we're talking about the danger of the bus driver doing soduko in traffic - the bus itself is irrelevant. The driver is still in the act of driving the vehicle even if the vehicle isn't moving at that particular moment in time.
So the reason you pose a risk by not paying attention when driving is that a situation can arise, such as a car or bicycle moving into a blind spot, so that when you come to set off you *can not* see that person - no matter how much you look - but you would have had an opportunity to see that person moving into your blind spot had you not been doing soduko.
3. Well that explains it then. You haven't been in the position that I have, but you'll no doubt continue to tell me I was doing it wrong (by watching what was going on when I was driving).
saaby93 said:
What about this one that followed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n7m_7e8vxE
Would you hope the truck would ease off a bit to allow the filter?
56mph speed limit?
The lorry driver is too close to the vehicle in front, remember the two second rule. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n7m_7e8vxE
Would you hope the truck would ease off a bit to allow the filter?
56mph speed limit?
heebeegeetee said:
2. I'll answer, but firstly - there's a couple of points you are getting wrong imo: You keep saying the bus is stationary. 'Stationary' means "not moving or not intended to be moved" and "not mobile" amongst other definitions. Well, the bus is mobile and it is intended to be moved.
The other point though is that we're talking about the danger of the bus driver doing soduko in traffic - the bus itself is irrelevant. The driver is still in the act of driving the vehicle even if the vehicle isn't moving at that particular moment in time.
So the reason you pose a risk by not paying attention when driving is that a situation can arise, such as a car or bicycle moving into a blind spot, so that when you come to set off you *can not* see that person - no matter how much you look - but you would have had an opportunity to see that person moving into your blind spot had you not been doing soduko.
3. Well that explains it then. You haven't been in the position that I have, but you'll no doubt continue to tell me I was doing it wrong (by watching what was going on when I was driving).
So you redefined the question before not answering it. This is a waste of time. Please practise hair splitting with someone else. I'm oot.The other point though is that we're talking about the danger of the bus driver doing soduko in traffic - the bus itself is irrelevant. The driver is still in the act of driving the vehicle even if the vehicle isn't moving at that particular moment in time.
So the reason you pose a risk by not paying attention when driving is that a situation can arise, such as a car or bicycle moving into a blind spot, so that when you come to set off you *can not* see that person - no matter how much you look - but you would have had an opportunity to see that person moving into your blind spot had you not been doing soduko.
3. Well that explains it then. You haven't been in the position that I have, but you'll no doubt continue to tell me I was doing it wrong (by watching what was going on when I was driving).
gavsdavs said:
So you redefined the question before not answering it.
No I didn't, I answered the question exactly. I explained how as a driver you pose a risk if you don't pay attention when driving, even if the vehicle is not moving at any particular time. Given the stop-start nature of city traffic the vehicle is going to be stopped frequently, but the act of driving doesn't stop until the vehicle is parked.It's a shame that a desire to stop these desperatly tragic accidents in London marks one out as a road captain, witch hunter, splitter of hairs or whatever, when I'd have thought we'd all be seeking the same thing. No wonder us motorists get so much flack.
gavsdavs said:
According to the roadcaptains we have here, you can look at a map all you like when you're stationary. Anything else is DWDCA.
People seem to be struggling with the difference between stationary and moving, and the transition between the two.
Nope, I think you're struggling to recognise that what you do when you are stationary influences what you do when you're moving.People seem to be struggling with the difference between stationary and moving, and the transition between the two.
heebeegeetee said:
No I didn't, I answered the question exactly. I explained how as a driver you pose a risk if you don't pay attention when driving, even if the vehicle is not moving at any particular time. Given the stop-start nature of city traffic the vehicle is going to be stopped frequently, but the act of driving doesn't stop until the vehicle is parked.
It's a shame that a desire to stop these desperatly tragic accidents in London marks one out as a road captain, witch hunter, splitter of hairs or whatever, when I'd have thought we'd all be seeking the same thing. No wonder us motorists get so much flack.
You are confusing two separate subjects.It's a shame that a desire to stop these desperatly tragic accidents in London marks one out as a road captain, witch hunter, splitter of hairs or whatever, when I'd have thought we'd all be seeking the same thing. No wonder us motorists get so much flack.
1. Poor visibility vehicles (mainly plant trucks) pose an ongoing danger to vulnerable road in crowded cities. Absolutely no argument there. I also think that lorry drivers are on the whole some of our best road users (because they are acutely aware of the danger their vehicle poses), and (Central london) cyclists some of our worst (because red light runners, pavement users, texting-while-riding, etc).
2. A bus driver (whilst sat still at some lights, completely blocked from any progress) seen doing a sudoku is (according to you) DWDCA. It is this one I think you're overreacting on. Yes, it was silly of him and no, it's not what we want them doing, but "pose a danger" to other users in the exact scenario we saw on the video ? No, he doesn't pose a danger to anyone as he is seen. When I highlighted your different stance to looking at a map, you said "that's navigating and that's okay". It's the same problem in both cases - you stop doing what you should be doing (keeping an eye on your surroundings even when stationary) and you're doing something to kill time.
It is your double-standard on the 2nd subject I'm challenging, not your desire to solve the first subject.
heebeegeetee said:
The bus stops aren't located at junctions, which is where most fatalities seem to occur.
So would it make it ok if you weren't actually at a junction and just stationary in traffic ?If you search " fined for eating banana" it would appear that if you remove both hands from the steering wheel you could get fined.
The bus driver didn't remove his hands from the wheel. (Loop hole)
Ghibli said:
Mave said:
Nope, I think you're struggling to recognise that what you do when you are stationary influences what you do when you're moving.
How does this work when the bus driver stops to pick up passengers ?Diverting his attention whilst picking up passengers is an unavoidable risk. Playing sudoku is not.
gavsdavs said:
You are confusing two separate subjects.
1. Poor visibility vehicles (mainly plant trucks) pose an ongoing danger to vulnerable road in crowded cities. Absolutely no argument there. I also think that lorry drivers are on the whole some of our best road users (because they are acutely aware of the danger their vehicle poses), and (Central london) cyclists some of our worst (because red light runners, pavement users, texting-while-riding, etc).
2. A bus driver (whilst sat still at some lights, completely blocked from any progress) seen doing a sudoku is (according to you) DWDCA. It is this one I think you're overreacting on. Yes, it was silly of him and no, it's not what we want them doing, but "pose a danger" to other users in the exact scenario we saw on the video ?
3. No, he doesn't pose a danger to anyone as he is seen. When I highlighted your different stance to looking at a map,
4. you said "that's navigating and that's okay". It's the same problem in both cases - you stop doing what you should be doing (keeping an eye on your surroundings even when stationary)
5. and you're doing something to kill time.
6. It is your double-standard on the 2nd subject I'm challenging, not your desire to solve the first subject.
1. Totally agreed.1. Poor visibility vehicles (mainly plant trucks) pose an ongoing danger to vulnerable road in crowded cities. Absolutely no argument there. I also think that lorry drivers are on the whole some of our best road users (because they are acutely aware of the danger their vehicle poses), and (Central london) cyclists some of our worst (because red light runners, pavement users, texting-while-riding, etc).
2. A bus driver (whilst sat still at some lights, completely blocked from any progress) seen doing a sudoku is (according to you) DWDCA. It is this one I think you're overreacting on. Yes, it was silly of him and no, it's not what we want them doing, but "pose a danger" to other users in the exact scenario we saw on the video ?
3. No, he doesn't pose a danger to anyone as he is seen. When I highlighted your different stance to looking at a map,
4. you said "that's navigating and that's okay". It's the same problem in both cases - you stop doing what you should be doing (keeping an eye on your surroundings even when stationary)
5. and you're doing something to kill time.
6. It is your double-standard on the 2nd subject I'm challenging, not your desire to solve the first subject.
2. I don't think I am. I think you re over reacting to my opinion that drivers of large vehicles shouldn't be doing soduko whilst driving a large vehicle in London whist surrounded by very vulnerabe road users. That's what I think, and I'm amazed that somebody wants to argue and argue this with me. Am I really asking for a lot? I don't think so at all. His progress isn't completely blocked at all, in any moment the lights will change and he will set off, having not paid any attention to the ever changing situation around him. It is possibly the last place that someone should be doing soduko.
3. I think he poses a great danger to those other road users, if he's not keeping an eye on what's going on. I couldn't disagree with you more. Perhaps it's because I've been in similar situations and you haven't.
4. No I didn't (If I'm wrong, why not just stick to what I said instead of making stuff up?), I said that navigating is part of the process of driving, and questioned how a part of the process can distract from the process. Changing gear can distract from the process if you like, and it can mean taking a hand off the steering wheel, but it is still part of the process of driving. I'm not saying it's ok, I'm saying it's what you have to do as part of the process of driving.
If you're not familair with your route then looking at a map, checking your whereabouts and checking where you are going, is part of the process of driving imo, and you remain involved in the process of driving. Doing soduko removes you from the process of driving.
5. Eh? You navigate to kill time? Really? I've always done it so that I can go the right way. Indeed, if at the wheel of a large vehicle it's imperative to stick to the right route, especially in London. One wrong turn and you're facing a low bridge/width limit/weight limit with a queue of traffic behind and nowhere to turn round. It can be a nightmare driving a big vehicle in a large.
6. It's not a double standard. Navigating is vital. You're just scratching to find an excuse for someone doing soduko when at the wheel of a large vehicle in London whilst surrounded by cyclists. Why you want to do that is beyond me, but is absolutely typical of the hypocrisy of drivers imo - they'll rant and rave about people who do very little harm to others, yet excuse drivers in this serious situation, depsite numerous people being killed. It would be laughable if not so tragic.
Edited by heebeegeetee on Monday 29th June 19:02
heebeegeetee said:
1. Totally agreed.
2. I don't think I am. I think you re over reacting to my opinion that drivers of large vehicles shouldn't be doing soduko whilst driving a large vehicle in London whist surrounded by very vulnerabe. That's what I think, and I'm amazed that sombedy wants to argue and argue this with me. Am I really asking for a lot? I don't think so at all. His progress isn't compleye;t blocked at all, in any moment the lights will change and he will set off, having not paid any attention to the ever changing situation around him. It is possibly the last place that someone should be doing soduko.
3. I think he poses a great danger to those other road users, if he's not keeping an eye on what's going on. I couldn't disagree with youmore. Perhaps it's because I've been in similar situations.
4. No I didn't (If I'm wrong, why not just stick to what I said instead of making stuff up?), I said that navigating is part of the process of driving, and questioned how a part of the process can distratct from the process. Changing gear can distract from the process if you like, and it can mean taking a hand off the stering wheel, but it is still part of the process of driving. I'm not saying it's ok, I'm saying it's what you have to do as part of the process of driving.
Looking at a map, checking your whereabouts and checking where you are going, is part of the process of driving imo, and you remain involved in the process of driving. Doing soduko removes you from the process of driving.
5. Eh? You navigate to kill time? Really? I've always done it so that I can go the right way. Indeed, if at the wheel of a large vehicle it's imperative to stick to the right route, especially in London. One wrong turn and you're facing a low bridge/width limit/weight limit with a queue of traffic behind and nowhere to turn round. It can be a nightmare driving a big vehicle in a capital city
6. It's not a double standard. Navigating is vital. You're just scratching to find an excuse for someone doing soduko when at the wheel of a large vehicle in London whilst surrounded by cyclists. Why you want to do that is beyond me, but is absolutely typical of the hypocrisy of drivers imo - they'll rant and rave about people who do very little harm to others, yet excuse drivers in this serious situation, depsite numerous people being killed. It would be laughable if not so tragic.
/cry. You could have an argument in an empty room.2. I don't think I am. I think you re over reacting to my opinion that drivers of large vehicles shouldn't be doing soduko whilst driving a large vehicle in London whist surrounded by very vulnerabe. That's what I think, and I'm amazed that sombedy wants to argue and argue this with me. Am I really asking for a lot? I don't think so at all. His progress isn't compleye;t blocked at all, in any moment the lights will change and he will set off, having not paid any attention to the ever changing situation around him. It is possibly the last place that someone should be doing soduko.
3. I think he poses a great danger to those other road users, if he's not keeping an eye on what's going on. I couldn't disagree with youmore. Perhaps it's because I've been in similar situations.
4. No I didn't (If I'm wrong, why not just stick to what I said instead of making stuff up?), I said that navigating is part of the process of driving, and questioned how a part of the process can distratct from the process. Changing gear can distract from the process if you like, and it can mean taking a hand off the stering wheel, but it is still part of the process of driving. I'm not saying it's ok, I'm saying it's what you have to do as part of the process of driving.
Looking at a map, checking your whereabouts and checking where you are going, is part of the process of driving imo, and you remain involved in the process of driving. Doing soduko removes you from the process of driving.
5. Eh? You navigate to kill time? Really? I've always done it so that I can go the right way. Indeed, if at the wheel of a large vehicle it's imperative to stick to the right route, especially in London. One wrong turn and you're facing a low bridge/width limit/weight limit with a queue of traffic behind and nowhere to turn round. It can be a nightmare driving a big vehicle in a capital city
6. It's not a double standard. Navigating is vital. You're just scratching to find an excuse for someone doing soduko when at the wheel of a large vehicle in London whilst surrounded by cyclists. Why you want to do that is beyond me, but is absolutely typical of the hypocrisy of drivers imo - they'll rant and rave about people who do very little harm to others, yet excuse drivers in this serious situation, depsite numerous people being killed. It would be laughable if not so tragic.
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