RE: Aventador SV 'ring lap: Time For (late) Tea?

[BelfastBoy]

TNH said:

Absolutely glorious. I normally get bored of watching these videos about half way through but loved every second of that.

Come on McLaren, just tell us the sodding time you got.

Yes - until there comes a point where McLaren stop being so vague and actually offer proof of a laptime, Lamborghini would be perfectly entitled to claim that their car is faster than the P1. I don't believe that it is, but as you say, come on McLaren!

[Ubar]

DodoRacing said:

He has grabbed the bull by its horns and ridden it as if he's told all his family will be slaughtered if he doesn't do an under 7:00 min lap.

You are Troy and I claim my five pounds

[Stevoox]

Thumbs up to Lambo , nice to see they kept with a big V12 rather than following suit with hybrid engines

Edited by Stevoox on Tuesday 19th May 12:19

[Debaser]

Great lap! Ten out of ten from me (though the P.H. O'Meter seems to be broken), congratulations Lamborghini.

[anniesdad]

Stevoox said:

No idea what the La Ferreri time is, but I think the P1 is rumored to be 6:47?

Awesome stuff! Talent and commitment beyond belief, not to mention how fast that Lambo SV is!!

I don't believe the McLaren P1 has beaten the 918's NS time. Look at the head to heads on Youtube, especially MotorTrend's channel with Randy Pobst driving. McL struggled at Laguna Seca. The 918 is clearly very very fast and I think was very much under estimated due to it's weight in comparison to the others.

Ron Dennis said the P1 would be the fastest production car on any track at any time. This has been proven not to be the case. That said they've sold them all so what do they really care other than for bragging rights?...that currently Porsche deservedly have.

[iloveboost]

Three things about this Aventador SV I notice straight away:
1. It's really, really fast.
2. It got ridiculously quick steering, as he uses about a quarter of a turn most of the time.
3. It's too low and stiff for the ring, as it's scraping the ground everywhere.
Impressive video.

[MattCSLnut]

What a Bleedin' Handful ! Almost lost it at the approach to Brunnchen 1 KUDOS to the super talented pilot displaying total commitment and saving the day ... although I haven't seen so much steering input since watching one of those 1950's American road movies
What a sweet V12 soundtrack orchestrating beyond 8000 rpm without the usual Turbo flatulence.

[smoores]

Definitely not a complete lap but top marks for effort from that driver, cracking stuff!

[Steven_RW]

Hi - Ace video.

Do we have another video of what people call a "proper full lap".

We always seem to get into this debate on that little stretch between where the clock seems to start and where they decide to stop it.

Regards,

Steven RW

[RoverP6B]

Why is there all this debate as to where the clock starts and stops? Why can't the Nordschleife be like any other racetrack, with a simple start-finish straight and a line... delineating (what else!)... where the lap begins/ends.

As for the SV, I still don't care, it's still paddles-only and a modern Audi-engineered V12, not a proper Lamborghini with the Giotto Bizzarrini V12 and a manual gearbox. Did any manual Murcielago SVs get built? If not, a more ordinary Murcielago would be far more interesting to me than this techfest. OK, it lacks forced induction, but it has everything else we hate about modern cars...

[Kawasicki]

RoverP6B said:

Why can't the Nordschleife be like any other racetrack

Because it's a road, not a racetrack.

[RoverP6B]

Kawasicki said:

Because it's a road, not a racetrack.

I'm aware it is a public toll road, but it is not used as a means of getting from A to B - it was always intended to be a racetrack.

[Gandahar]

pigeonskirt said:

Burwood said:

mikebradford said:

Im sceptical this can get anywhere near the 918 time, with the modifications as mentioned.

I would imagine it would have to be virtually race prepared and a lot! of weight taken out.

Not sure id be that sceptical. The SV is only down 150hp but also down 150kg

I also wonder whether or not the batteries on a 918 can sustain full assistance for the entire lap of the Nurburgring. My guess is they couldn't, and that there would be times when it's running petrol only.

Actually I think you are completely right, the batteries do run out, but that is how it is designed I think. I did a comparative video, actually to try and compare the way the drivers steered the 918 and Aventador, it's below, however if you fast forward to 6 mins 15 you see Mark Lieb meddling with the "hot lap" button. He then passes under the bridge. The Lambo is about 2 seconds behind. They hit the long straight and at the next bridge the Aventador is almost level. The 918 without batteries has 600bhp, with about 890bhp. The Aventador 750bhp. Guess what? The 918 is only on petrol at 600bhp because I recall they shut off the batteries at high speed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF222ka3fmI&fe...

Sorry about the roughness of it, I am not Mr vid editor !

PS I started the Lambo off first as slower, so they would have the most corners to compare together without too much eye strain

Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 19th May 20:23

[RacerMike]

Scott Parker said:

The start and stop points are about 150m apart so I would say a true lap would be about 7:04

The majority of manufacturer 'Ring times quoted are using this configuration with the start at the exit of the Industry Pool Pitlane and the finish just after the last corner. Some choose to do it differently.

The reason behind this is the short straight by the pitlane is coned off into a chicane when the main Industry Pool is on with a 50kph speed limit to make it possible for people to merge. I'm not entirely sure why it's done like this, but a good number of 'official times' are using this setup.

[squelchuk]

Burwood said:

Not sure id be that sceptical. The SV is only down 150hp but also down 150kg

Yeah, but to me it looks like it's also go a roll cage fitted. So that will help an awful lot because if they've added a roll cage, they must have changed the suspension.

And listening to it, it sounds like the car is already falling apart.

[mattf93]

anniesdad said:

Awesome stuff! Talent and commitment beyond belief, not to mention how fast that Lambo SV is!!

I don't believe the McLaren P1 has beaten the 918's NS time. Look at the head to heads on Youtube, especially MotorTrend's channel with Randy Pobst driving. McL struggled at Laguna Seca. The 918 is clearly very very fast and I think was very much under estimated due to it's weight in comparison to the others.

Ron Dennis said the P1 would be the fastest production car on any track at any time. This has been proven not to be the case. That said they've sold them all so what do they really care other than for bragging rights?...that currently Porsche deservedly have.

Hmm Interesting point, but I Think with the holy trinity it will be very much track dependant, will be interested to see more all out times from owners at tracks of all of them including the Norschleiffe/Ring... to me the LaF sounds the most special though.
I would pin the P1 as being quicker than the 918, purely on the basis of when the electricity is gone (and therefore loses that power) the Mclaren has I think around 720bhp? and weighs considerably less than the porsche (200-300kg less from memory) but obviously 4wd in 918 and rear wheel steer makes a big difference and probably makes up for power defecit.

SV is a mighty car, ring times will always have relevance at this level of the market, as there will be some that like to track their cars a lot and these times can be indications of how a car will perform. However chances are most aventador SVs won't see a track, more of extremely competent and quick road car (although as wide as a lorry) than a light track car - can see a speciale being a much more tactile weapon on a track than aventador..... even if the SV does look the nuts imo.

[Guvernator]

That's more like it, this thing looks absolutely mental like a "proper" Lambo should. The normal Aventador is too restrained to be a Lambo IMO.

Also who cares if it's a few seconds off the pace of the other hypercars, it's still more than quick enough AND it has that glorious NA V12 to boot. Not that I am opposed to the hybrid wizardry in the others as it's a step in an interesting new direction, I just think the "aren't we so clever" technology has taken too much of a centre stage in the new cars. A supercar should first and foremost be about drama, amazing looks\presence, sound and it should feel like if you don't treat it with respect, it will rip your head off. This SV has more of that in abundance then any of the other 3 and IMO it's the prettiest to look at too.

[Dagnut]

Sticky tyres, modified suspension, start point not matching the finish point, car tuned to ragged edge....someone should write a letter of complaint to the Association of Automotive Manufactures Standardised Nürburgring Laptimes Regulatory Committee.

[Guvernator]

Most ring times are timed this way as it's not possible to do a full flying lap of the ring with the same start\finish line even for a manufacturer who has booked time on the circuit due to the rings unique nature as being a toll road and not a completely closed circuit.

It's even worse on Tourist days as you loose about a mile of the track due to the entry\exit gates which is why you see reference to BTG (Bridge to Gantry) times instead of a full lap.

[Debaser]

Dagnut said:

Sticky tyres, modified suspension, start point not matching the finish point, car tuned to ragged edge....someone should write a letter of complaint to the Association of Automotive Manufactures Standardised Nürburgring Laptimes Regulatory Committee.

Sounds exactly like every other road car lap time attempt...