RE: Honda NSX-R: Spotted

RE: Honda NSX-R: Spotted

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lauda

3,476 posts

207 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Bladedancer said:
Just helped to tune the suspension so nothing important at all.
As I understand it, he spent a day driving the car on track and gave some feedback to the development team. Now whilst that is 'some input' to the car's development, in the context of the thousands of hours of total development time, I would argue that it's a fairly light touch. Sounds nice in the marketing though.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Bladedancer said:
Frankly to me - they are. Seriously, I don't understand the fascination with Porsches. Old 911s didn't drive that well and were prone to flying off into random elements of the scenery if they didn't like how you cornered.
Engine sound is just wrong and to me not pleasant at all.
Yes, cliche, but they DO look like a Bettle with X-many facelifts.
Reliability wise they are not quite what people think they are (btw in case you want to quote Dekra - first find out how the report is complied. You'll see why Porsche is so high.)
And it ain't a bull or prancing horse...
After owning one I remember the NSX fondly, but I still sold it. I don't understand any of the inflated prices for cars but it's market demand. The reason is, that despite you believing anything that comes out of Stuttgart is hopeless the reality is that people like them, and like them enough to pay serious cash for them. The 911 is an iconic car, to say anything else is just foolish.

Derek Chevalier

3,942 posts

173 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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soad said:
Derek Chevalier said:
cirian75 said:
massive saving to import one from Japan even after costs
Can you give example?
Older car:
http://www.japan-partner.com/Auto/6473/Honda/NSX/c...

Newer (expensive) car:
http://www.goo-net-exchange.com/usedcars/HONDA/NSX...
Thanks. $94k USD ~61K GBP. Add VAT and import tax ~80k. Add shipping, and do you pay someone to check the car is in the condition claimed. Am I missing something?

aka_kerrly

12,418 posts

210 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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4oClock said:
Dunno about anyone else, but I'd far rather this than any 911 - new or old.

The NSX-R is very very high up on the want list, but I'd not choose yellow!!
OH i would certainly consider a yellow one.

Would be more than happy with a series 1 1990-1992 in Red.

JMF894

5,504 posts

155 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Guvernator said:
JMF894 said:
I agree with you here but I must take issue with one point:

To suggest ignorance if people do not appreciate Honda's engineering pedigree but then refer to Porsche's 911 as an over-priced beetle is disrespectful and contradictory.

Jimbo
I appreciate their engineering just as much if not more so than most other cars, I just don't think they are worth some of the insane prices being asked either so my reference to overpriced beetles was a tongue in cheek stab at the prices, not at Porches engineering pedigree which I think is also excellent (on the whole).
Fair enough sir

Matt Bird

1,450 posts

205 months

PH Reportery Lad

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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mrclav said:
So what's that in the last few pictures then? Unless they're not of the actual car for sale?
Apologies, coupe of no-cost options added back in for this car. Think it has air-con too.


Matt

stephen300o

15,464 posts

228 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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Everything is expensive at the minute, spotted an old Mini Cooper for thirty five grand the other day,

soad

32,896 posts

176 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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stephen300o said:
Everything is expensive at the minute, spotted an old Mini Cooper for thirty five grand the other day,
I can beat that easily. Spotted a 993 GT2 for £769,995

Black S2K

1,473 posts

249 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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Bladedancer said:
lauda said:
Bladedancer said:
Kudos you say. Can Porsche say that Senna helped develop and tune their car?
[..] I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Senna actually had very little input in the development of the car.
Just helped to tune the suspension so nothing important at all.
According to the development engineers, Mr. Senna pointed out that the torsional rigidity was lacking (like many Hondas of the time) and that the result was rather inconsistent handling.

Given the final product was such a sweet handler, the ranking the relative importance of Mr.Senna's comments is perhaps pointless.

stephen300o

15,464 posts

228 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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soad said:
stephen300o said:
Everything is expensive at the minute, spotted an old Mini Cooper for thirty five grand the other day,
I can beat that easily. Spotted a 993 GT2 for £769,995
Damn. Hmm, ok, I've got 106 diesel with 76mpg?

Ten Four

292 posts

151 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Well... Its sold

Edit: turns out sold a while ago

Edited by Ten Four on Sunday 24th May 15:42

Bladedancer

1,269 posts

196 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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yonex said:
Bladedancer said:
Frankly to me - they are. Seriously, I don't understand the fascination with Porsches. Old 911s didn't drive that well and were prone to flying off into random elements of the scenery if they didn't like how you cornered.
Engine sound is just wrong and to me not pleasant at all.
Yes, cliche, but they DO look like a Bettle with X-many facelifts.
Reliability wise they are not quite what people think they are (btw in case you want to quote Dekra - first find out how the report is complied. You'll see why Porsche is so high.)
And it ain't a bull or prancing horse...
After owning one I remember the NSX fondly, but I still sold it. I don't understand any of the inflated prices for cars but it's market demand. The reason is, that despite you believing anything that comes out of Stuttgart is hopeless the reality is that people like them, and like them enough to pay serious cash for them. The 911 is an iconic car, to say anything else is just foolish.
You are putting words in my mouth and that is not fair. I do not believe that, as you put it, "anything that comes out of Stuttgart is hopeless".
All I wanted to say that I do not understand fascination with Porsche because I don't. Perhaps I should have said that I do not understand fascination with 911 to be specific. Because for me it is essentially a car that has looked the same for 5 decades.
Porsche once upon a time could find the courage to depart from 911 template. I still like the 944s, 968s, 928s and of course the 959 (despite its 911 inspired looks).
Now it would seem they cannot. They make 911. They make hiked up SUV 911 - the Cayenne. They make stretched 911 with 2 extra seats - Panamera. They make 911's smaller brother - Cayman and they make Baby 911 - Boxter. All the same template.

Porsche is an iconic car. To be specific 1970s Carreras are iconic cars. Today its just rehash by a company that never moved on. Also their success means they are common. They are not as exclusive as they once were.

I know people like them. They sell a bunch so one would assume people do like the car they are buying. I know they are probably good cars and handling in 996 and never ones isn't a problem. I know they are fun to drive. But I still do not understand the fascination. I could get ALL of that and then some in a GTR.

As for NSX prices - it is a rare car. There are plenty 911s around. There are very few NSXs around and Type-R is even rarer still. That means they can fetch sill prices are it is difficult to ascertain the value of something that hardly anyone sells.

havoc

30,069 posts

235 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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The NSX-R / 964RS is probably the fairest comparison on here (i.e. both are genuinely stunning machines to drive on road or track with very little expense spared in their development and with generally robust underpinnings, unlike contemporary Italian metal), with two caveats:-

1) IN EUROPE (!) the 911 has a much stronger competition heritage, and the RS is (2.7RS and lairy 993 GT2 possibly excepted) the closest to the actual motorsport machines that the aircooled customer cars ever reached. LM 1995 and multiple JGTC championships (plus some serious trophies in the US as well) don't seem to come into it...

2) The Porsche badge vs the Honda badge. European 'collector' markets STILL have a problem with a Japanese badge.

...hence the 2x price differential.



PS - what's wrong with yellow?!? wink

MissChief

7,110 posts

168 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Nothing wrong with yellow but it really depends on the shade.

The yellow I see on Focus ST's isn't great, it's too 'mustardy' for my liking and then the Yellow that was available on the first Seat Leon's was awful for lacquer peel and fade yet Renault's Liquid Yellow, as seen on Renaultsport Megane's and Clio's is awesome. Some cars seem to suit far better than others too!

Edited by MissChief on Tuesday 26th May 15:46

mjames75

82 posts

199 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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Still sold in less than a day. too many people with no money to buy it (including me) and not enough knowledge or experience with one, amazing machine on a track....

hondansx

4,569 posts

225 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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GT3-RS said:
daveco said:
Surely even more special than a 964RS, given the Porsche's disadvantage in its layout, aero, and engine power?

I bet the this engine sounds better too!

Edited by daveco on Thursday 21st May 11:26
LMFAO.....even more special and sounds better than a 964RS?......clearly you've never heard or driven one....such a Clarksonesque statement...as far as I can see the market place (people) dictate what's more special / desirable does it not
And you've driven an NSX-R?

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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hondansx said:
And you've driven an NSX-R?
Are you totally convinced that the pinnacle of 80's engineering is 'it'. Things evolve, it's a great car but it is still yesterday's hero in terms of pace and power.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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hondansx said:
And you've driven an NSX-R?
Are you totally convinced that the pinnacle of 80's engineering is 'it'. Things evolve, it's a great car but it is still yesterday's hero in terms of pace and power.

havoc

30,069 posts

235 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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Given that their respective 'mainstream' starting points were (a) pretty damn good, if a little dated in the case of the 964; and (b) slanted in the Honda's favour for both ownership and driving, I suspect that even Porsche's famous RennSport division may have found a match for the RS in the -R.

More seriously, it's a very fair comparison:-
- Both had what amounted to a blueprinted engine and shorter gearing
- Both were significantly lighter and stiffer (sprung and chassis) than the donor car
- Both were developed with track work firmly in mind
- Both were developed by teams with a strong recent motorsport pedigree

You're going to get fanboys on each side, and I'm not sure anyone has done a proper comparison in print, so it's difficult to be sure. I'd happily have either...

J4CKO

41,560 posts

200 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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Could I really have seen the odd NSX for under ten grand a few years back in the classifieds ?