The £50K Hyundai - A tough sell?

[Andy665]

WinstonWolf said:

If you're not bothered by the driving experience and just want to get about they're great.

Are you talking Hyundai or Audi here?

[WinstonWolf]

Andy665 said:

WinstonWolf said:

If you're not bothered by the driving experience and just want to get about they're great.

Are you talking Hyundai or Audi here?

Guess

[thelawnet]

Ari said:

How much do you think a £50K Hyundai will be after three years..?

Well you won't lose as much as on a £70k Merc, I bet.

Plus the mechanical reliability and long warranty will help compared with buying a just-out-of-warranty complex German saloon.

[Andy665]

WinstonWolf said:

Guess

I have owned Audis and never got exactly excited or enthusiastic about the driving dynamics of any of them - competent - yes, predictable - yes, inspiring / fun - no - just like a Hyundai

I'm generalising here as obviously there are Audis that are great to drive but if we look at what actually sells in big numbers they are competent, efficient transportation devices - just like any number of other cars, Hyundai included

[SuperHangOn]

I bet the quality and reliability will be superb - they will be out to prove a point and build up a reputation like Toyota were with the LS400.

[WinstonWolf]

Andy665 said:

WinstonWolf said:

Guess

I have owned Audis and never got exactly excited or enthusiastic about the driving dynamics of any of them - competent - yes, predictable - yes, inspiring / fun - no - just like a Hyundai

I'm generalising here as obviously there are Audis that are great to drive but if we look at what actually sells in big numbers they are competent, efficient transportation devices - just like any number of other cars, Hyundai included

You really need to drive an I20 before you say they're in any way comparable...

[fivepointnine]

An i20 is in no way comparable to a Genesis, that's like comparing a base model Skoda Fabia to an A8, same overall company, sure, but in no way is one car comparable to the other.

[fivepointnine]

WinstonWolf said:

They're very good for what they are, the warranty is superb. If you're not bothered by the driving experience and just want to get about they're great.

You have not drove a Genesis obviously. The car is truly on a completely different level than any other Hyundai or Kia.

My offer stands, anyone who comes to the Haynes Breakfast club the first Sunday in June is welcome to go for a ride in/sit in/get an up close look at my Genesis Coupe 3.8, it will change your mind about the Hyundai most people in England know.

Edited by fivepointnine on Friday 22 May 13:05

[WinstonWolf]

fivepointnine said:

WinstonWolf said:

They're very good for what they are, the warranty is superb. If you're not bothered by the driving experience and just want to get about they're great.

You have not drove a Genesis obviously. The car is truly on a completely different level than any other Hyundai or Kia.

I'll still take the Pepsi challenge against my A8... It'll probably feel more refined than my Griff though.

[Andy665]

WinstonWolf said:

You really need to drive an I20 before you say they're in any way comparable...

Would I expect a £15k Audi A1 to be more refined than a £12k i20 - yes I would, its 25% more expensive.

Will an i20 do everything that an A1 can do - yes

You can't compare apples to pears

And yes, I have driven an i20 - a perfectly pleasant little car - guess what - just like an A1

I found the Fiesta Econetic I drove last week to be a far more appealing car than the A1's I have driven - pity it doesn't have the "right" badge

Edited by Andy665 on Friday 22 May 13:07

[thelawnet]

fivepointnine said:

You have not drove a Genesis obviously. The car is truly on a completely different level than any other Hyundai or Kia.

No, there is also the Equus and the amusingly named K9.

Edited by thelawnet on Friday 22 May 13:06

[WinstonWolf]

Andy665 said:

WinstonWolf said:

You really need to drive an I20 before you say they're in any way comparable...

Would I expect a £15k Audi A1 to be more refined than a £12k i20 - yes I would, its 25% more expensive.

Will an i20 do everything that an A1 can do - yes

You can't compare apples to pears

And yes, I have driven an i20 - a perfectly pleasant little car - guess what - just like an A1

Ah, good one, you almost got me...

[Ari]

WinstonWolf said:

Ari said:

Howard- said:

Considering I don't think the A3/A4 are significantly better-built than any other mainstream car that isn't French, I'd suggest it's probably the former.


Platform sharing is a fantastic thing but when you've essentially got Skoda, Seat, Volkswagen, and Audi all sharing most things bar a few superficial soft-touch interior plastic coatings, whilst selling at vastly different price points, something's gotta give.



And before anyone asks, no I don't think I wouldn't ever buy a Hyundai. But I wouldn't ever consider buying an Audi either, unless its name began with S or RS.

Couldn't agree more that Hyundai and Kia have upped their game - what they've achieved is hugely impressive.

They're not premium cars though.

They're very good for what they are, the warranty is superb. If you're not bothered by the driving experience and just want to get about they're great.

Again, absolutely agree. Thing is though, most people that simply want a tool to get from A to B with minimum fuss and maximum warranty don't throw fifty grand at it!

Which is kinda where we came in: £50K Hyundai - tough sell!

[Ari]

thelawnet said:

Ari said:

How much do you think a £50K Hyundai will be after three years..?

Well you won't lose as much as on a £70k Merc, I bet.

Plus the mechanical reliability and long warranty will help compared with buying a just-out-of-warranty complex German saloon.

How about a £50K Merc...

[WinstonWolf]

Ari said:

WinstonWolf said:

Ari said:

Howard- said:

Considering I don't think the A3/A4 are significantly better-built than any other mainstream car that isn't French, I'd suggest it's probably the former.


Platform sharing is a fantastic thing but when you've essentially got Skoda, Seat, Volkswagen, and Audi all sharing most things bar a few superficial soft-touch interior plastic coatings, whilst selling at vastly different price points, something's gotta give.



And before anyone asks, no I don't think I wouldn't ever buy a Hyundai. But I wouldn't ever consider buying an Audi either, unless its name began with S or RS.

Couldn't agree more that Hyundai and Kia have upped their game - what they've achieved is hugely impressive.

They're not premium cars though.

They're very good for what they are, the warranty is superb. If you're not bothered by the driving experience and just want to get about they're great.

Again, absolutely agree. Thing is though, most people that simply want a tool to get from A to B with minimum fuss and maximum warranty don't throw fifty grand at it!

Which is kinda where we came in: £50K Hyundai - tough sell!

Skoda have done it, but I'd want others to put their money where their mouth is before I'd buy one.

[pork911]

probably a very good value car in the uk after 3 years depreciation


elsewhere though, where its assembled in country and so not subject to massive import duties like audi, bmw etc it will be marvellous value

[Ten Four]

I will say.. Audi / VAG group are extremely good at marketing and packaging.

[fivepointnine]

thelawnet said:

No, there is also the Equus and the amusingly named K9.

Edited by thelawnet on Friday 22 May 13:06

The Equus is nice, but the Genesis has better driving dynamics. The K9 and Equus barely sell even in the US unlike the Genesis.

[emicen]

fivepointnine said:

thelawnet said:

No, there is also the Equus and the amusingly named K9.

Edited by thelawnet on Friday 22 May 13:06

The Equus is nice, but the Genesis has better driving dynamics. The K9 and Equus barely sell even in the US unlike the Genesis.

But has anyone in the USA had a "proper" look at one compares to an A8...?

FWIW, V8 Genesis would be quite high up my list if I was moving to the USA. The twin turbo'd one on the Hyundai stand at SEMA last year was rather epic.

[CYMR0]

I've driven the old one back-to-back with an E-Class, if that counts.

Dynamically, no comparison - it's a wallowy thing, but that might be a question of taste and the particular market, more than the engineering underneath.

Engine and gearbox - easy win for the Hyundai. Surprisingly economical, too, with 30 mpg UK achievable combined, and 36 mpg on the motorway at 75.

A win on space and build quality for the Korean, too, but not perceived quality. Ergonomically the old car was inferior but the new one has made big strides. Ride comfort is a fairly close run thing.

Priced against a mid-range 3 Series it's a feasible alternative for someone who wants more space and a relaxed driving style. It's not very PH, but think 1980s Scorpio vs 325i, for the modern era.