Totally unsporty "sport" models
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sealtt said:
If someone says an Audi sports car what do you think? An A4 S-Line or an R8 / maybe Tt at a push.
It doesn't matter what 'upgrades' the m-sport pack includes the car is not a sports car. Maybe a sportier version at a push, so perhaps that just rename it: 318d slightly sportier. Range Rover Sportier.
Thats why the AMG Sports cars or BMW m-sport cars are offenders because the cars are nothing to do with sports cars, even if they are slightly more sporty (you can read that as slightly less comfortable) than the base model.
I thought that was what 'sport' meant though? Not that it's a sports car, but it's a normal car with sporting extras added to it? The 3 series 'luxury' as they have now isn't a luxury car in the way that an S Class is, it's just a 3 series with luxury extras added on - same thing.It doesn't matter what 'upgrades' the m-sport pack includes the car is not a sports car. Maybe a sportier version at a push, so perhaps that just rename it: 318d slightly sportier. Range Rover Sportier.
Thats why the AMG Sports cars or BMW m-sport cars are offenders because the cars are nothing to do with sports cars, even if they are slightly more sporty (you can read that as slightly less comfortable) than the base model.
The silly thing is when sport is added to a car when it's just got different coloured seats or a different steering wheel. In terms of 'M Sport', changing and uprating all the suspension components to make the car handle better is not abusing the word 'sport', quite the opposite!
Hugo a Gogo said:
maybe I'm daft, but I thought the 'sport' in sports utility meant you could use it for doing sports, taking your mountain bike, windsurfer, skis, skateboards etc
That's the intention of the manufacturer and it's how SUVs are marketed. The irony is that they're bloody useless at those things. I'm a keen windsurfer, SUPer and cyclist and I can't think of a worse vehicle for it - I don't know a single person in those sports who has an SUV - most have estate cars. On an SUV or RR etc the roof's too tall to load things and the boot is tall and short, which is the opposite of what you need to sling a bike or masts, sails etc in the back.RobM77 said:
I thought that was what 'sport' meant though? Not that it's a sports car, but it's a normal car with sporting extras added to it? The 3 series 'luxury' as they have now isn't a luxury car in the way that an S Class is, it's just a 3 series with luxury extras added on - same thing.
The silly thing is when sport is added to a car when it's just got different coloured seats or a different steering wheel. In terms of 'M Sport', changing and uprating all the suspension components to make the car handle better is not abusing the word 'sport', quite the opposite!
No, no. It just means bone-shattering ride and marketing. Major auto manufacturers always repeatedly piss away development funds and hours on parts that don't work. The silly thing is when sport is added to a car when it's just got different coloured seats or a different steering wheel. In terms of 'M Sport', changing and uprating all the suspension components to make the car handle better is not abusing the word 'sport', quite the opposite!
Hol said:
CCM604e said:
sealtt said:
If someone says an Audi sports car what do you think?
This is a 'Sports' Car
Though some would say GT (which opens up a whole other naming argument.
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RobM77 said:
sealtt said:
If someone says an Audi sports car what do you think? An A4 S-Line or an R8 / maybe Tt at a push.
It doesn't matter what 'upgrades' the m-sport pack includes the car is not a sports car. Maybe a sportier version at a push, so perhaps that just rename it: 318d slightly sportier. Range Rover Sportier.
Thats why the AMG Sports cars or BMW m-sport cars are offenders because the cars are nothing to do with sports cars, even if they are slightly more sporty (you can read that as slightly less comfortable) than the base model.
I thought that was what 'sport' meant though? Not that it's a sports car, but it's a normal car with sporting extras added to it? The 3 series 'luxury' as they have now isn't a luxury car in the way that an S Class is, it's just a 3 series with luxury extras added on - same thing.It doesn't matter what 'upgrades' the m-sport pack includes the car is not a sports car. Maybe a sportier version at a push, so perhaps that just rename it: 318d slightly sportier. Range Rover Sportier.
Thats why the AMG Sports cars or BMW m-sport cars are offenders because the cars are nothing to do with sports cars, even if they are slightly more sporty (you can read that as slightly less comfortable) than the base model.
The silly thing is when sport is added to a car when it's just got different coloured seats or a different steering wheel. In terms of 'M Sport', changing and uprating all the suspension components to make the car handle better is not abusing the word 'sport', quite the opposite!
In fact I have guy a few streets away who has A4 Diesel that 'looks' like mine from a distance - which was their purpose.
If they didn't have that intermediate range, they may well have called it RS-line, which would wrongly equate it with their true sports models (RS3, RS4, RS5, RS6) - which is what BMW and Mercedes HAVE done.
RobM77 said:
I guess we're then down to the definition of 'sport', which is a matter of opinion. 'M Sport' is a completely different suspension package to the standard car that's developed on the Nurburgring to give a bias towards handling over comfort; you get different springs, dampers and geometry (and ARBs?). The controversy that Jacobyte alludes to is that unlike most manufacturers, BMW don't just allow you to fit it to their fastest models, you can have a 116d M Sport if you like (in fact I drove one last year!).
This is from the BMW UK site describing the 1 series Sport
"The front of the new BMW 1 Series 5-door Sport model indicates its true athletic character. The bumper, air inlets, exterior mirrors and bars of the kidney grille are all High Gloss Black, giving the car a wider, more powerful stance. This feel is continued when viewed from the side, with 16 or 17-inch (depending on model) alloy wheels in the ‘Sport’ design, and at the rear, with a Chrome Black exhaust pipe finisher and High Gloss Black bumper.
Getting inside, you will firstly step on a ‘BMW Sport’ entry sill, before settling into a Sport seat in Anthracite, with unmistakably sporty Grey or Red highlights. This upholstery is complemented by a trim that perfectly frames the interior in High Gloss Black with Red highlights. In the cockpit, you’re greeted with exclusive highlights in the instrument panel and a Sport leather steering wheel with distinctive red stitching. Before you start the engine, you know you’re in for an exhilarating ride."
And the 1 series M Sport:
"‘M’ has always represented something special, and the new BMW 1 Series 5-door M Sport model continues this flawless reputation. The design of this already dynamic-looking car has been taken up a gear with features such as the 17 or 18-inch double spoke M light alloy wheels and the M aerodynamic package which lends a sublime athleticism to the contours of the car.
In the exclusive M Sport Estoril Blue metallic paint finish, with BMW Individual High Gloss Shadow or Chrome finishing touches, every inch of the exterior looks dipped in perfection. The M Sport suspension improves road-holding and the LED lights increase safety and presence on the road, day or night.
Inside, the exclusivity of the M Sport model continues, with Sport seats in a cloth/Alacantra combination, an M multifunction steering wheel and an Aluminium Hexagon interior trim with a blue or black highlight. The cockpit feels sportier than ever, with a shortened gear lever featuring the M logo, which gives a hint of the incredible M driving experience that awaits."
Source: https://www.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/new-vehicles/1/5-door/...
Its an appearance package. There is no reference to Nurburgring developed anything. Also what the hell is 'unmistakably sporty Grey or Red highlights' other than marketing BS.
Edited by KTF on Friday 22 May 14:50
CCM604e said:
Wikipedia:
Rallying, also known as rally racing, is a form of auto racing that takes place on public or private roads with modified production or specially built road-legal cars. This motorsport...
Rallying, also known as rally racing, is a form of auto racing that takes place on public or private roads with modified production or specially built road-legal cars. This motorsport...
Ok, but you have to make allowances. I owned Subaru and Evos for a long time. My mind has thus become brainwashed to only categorising them and older cars like the Quattro as 'rally reps'.
Hol said:
CCM604e said:
Wikipedia:
Rallying, also known as rally racing, is a form of auto racing that takes place on public or private roads with modified production or specially built road-legal cars. This motorsport...
Rallying, also known as rally racing, is a form of auto racing that takes place on public or private roads with modified production or specially built road-legal cars. This motorsport...
Ok, but you have to make allowances. I owned Subaru and Evos for a long time. My mind has thus become brainwashed to only categorising them and older cars like the Quattro as 'rally reps'.
KTF said:
RobM77 said:
I guess we're then down to the definition of 'sport', which is a matter of opinion. 'M Sport' is a completely different suspension package to the standard car that's developed on the Nurburgring to give a bias towards handling over comfort; you get different springs, dampers and geometry (and ARBs?). The controversy that Jacobyte alludes to is that unlike most manufacturers, BMW don't just allow you to fit it to their fastest models, you can have a 116d M Sport if you like (in fact I drove one last year!).
This is from the BMW UK site describing the 1 series Sport
"The front of the new BMW 1 Series 5-door Sport model indicates its true athletic character. The bumper, air inlets, exterior mirrors and bars of the kidney grille are all High Gloss Black, giving the car a wider, more powerful stance. This feel is continued when viewed from the side, with 16 or 17-inch (depending on model) alloy wheels in the ‘Sport’ design, and at the rear, with a Chrome Black exhaust pipe finisher and High Gloss Black bumper.
Getting inside, you will firstly step on a ‘BMW Sport’ entry sill, before settling into a Sport seat in Anthracite, with unmistakably sporty Grey or Red highlights. This upholstery is complemented by a trim that perfectly frames the interior in High Gloss Black with Red highlights. In the cockpit, you’re greeted with exclusive highlights in the instrument panel and a Sport leather steering wheel with distinctive red stitching. Before you start the engine, you know you’re in for an exhilarating ride."
And the 1 series M Sport:
"‘M’ has always represented something special, and the new BMW 1 Series 5-door M Sport model continues this flawless reputation. The design of this already dynamic-looking car has been taken up a gear with features such as the 17 or 18-inch double spoke M light alloy wheels and the M aerodynamic package which lends a sublime athleticism to the contours of the car.
In the exclusive M Sport Estoril Blue metallic paint finish, with BMW Individual High Gloss Shadow or Chrome finishing touches, every inch of the exterior looks dipped in perfection. The M Sport suspension improves road-holding and the LED lights increase safety and presence on the road, day or night.
Inside, the exclusivity of the M Sport model continues, with Sport seats in a cloth/Alacantra combination, an M multifunction steering wheel and an Aluminium Hexagon interior trim with a blue or black highlight. The cockpit feels sportier than ever, with a shortened gear lever featuring the M logo, which gives a hint of the incredible M driving experience that awaits."
Source: https://www.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/new-vehicles/1/5-door/...
Its an appearance package. There is no reference to Nurburgring developed anything. Also what the hell is 'unmistakably sporty Grey or Red highlights' other than marketing BS.
Edited by KTF on Friday 22 May 14:50
t do you? All we need to know is what I wrote above - lower, stiffer springs, stiffer dampers and geometry suited to fast driving. That's far more sporty than another 100bhp will ever be in my book, but as I said above, it's down to individual opinion.KTF said:
This is from the BMW UK site describing the 1 series Sport...
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The concept is no different for the other German brands.
dazwalsh said:
Not sure if it has been mentioned in these 5 (girly) pages but Vauxhall were putting go fast stripes on their 1l stbox corsas not so long ago, my sister almost bought one before I steered her into the ford fiesta instead.
Ironically Zetec S Mk. 7 Fiestas are at the top of my next-sensible-commute-mobile list at the moment, pretty much what this thread is poking fun at tbox corsas not so long ago, my sister almost bought one before I steered her into the ford fiesta instead.
scherzkeks said:
Perhaps you get the shaft in the UK? On the German site the M-sport suspension, brakes, etc. come with the M-sport trim, which is applicable to any engine variant down to the lowly 116.
The concept is no different for the other German brands.
I forgot to scroll down the page but there is yet another variant that seems to have actual changes to the running gear.The concept is no different for the other German brands.
Dealers must hate it when a customer asks for the 'Sports' model and then they have to pick from the Sport, M Sport or M Performance. Still, all bases must be covered in the quest for market share.
The third variant:
"The M Performance model is the new BMW 1 Series 5-door at its absolute best. Sporting an I6 3.0l engine, M Sport suspension (including 10mm lowering) and M Sport brakes with coloured brake callipers, it is fine tuned for a thrilling ride.
Exclusive 18-inch M light alloy wheels in Ferric Grey with Michelin Pilot Super Sport tyres would look just as much at home on the racetrack as the road, and the M aerodynamics package with specialised front air intakes make the most of the car’s irresistible lines. The dual exhaust and pipe finishers in Chrome Black, exterior badging in Chrome and the BMW Individual High Gloss Shadow provide the finishing touches to an exquisitely imposing exterior.
Inside, the cockpit awaits, with sport seats in a cloth/Alacantra combination, an M multifunction steering wheel and a shortened gear lever sporting the ‘M’ logo. Elsewhere, an Aluminium Hexagon interior trim with a blue or black highlight echoes the dynamic aesthetics of the exterior, and the door sill and instrument cluster feature exclusive ‘M135i’ badging. Get in, take a seat, and enjoy the performance."
KTF said:
I forgot to scroll down the page but there is yet another variant that seems to have actual changes to the running gear.
Well, the hierarchy is not so different then. Here, there is typically a basic "sport" model on offer that offers slightly upgraded optics, which would fit the sprit of this thread. These are separate from the M-Sport and AMG-Paket models, which do offer hardware improvements.
scherzkeks said:
KTF said:
I forgot to scroll down the page but there is yet another variant that seems to have actual changes to the running gear.
Well, the hierarchy is not so different then. Here, there is typically a basic "sport" model on offer that offers slightly upgraded optics, which would fit the sprit of this thread. These are separate from the M-Sport and AMG-Paket models, which do offer hardware improvements.
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