Nobody likes Porsche Drivers?
Discussion
marmitemania said:
blade7 said:
TVRJAS said:
It still amazes me that somehow the young kids seem to know the brand TVR,many times 10-14 yr olds lads shouting with joy as you pass,or saying hey Mum "TVR". And not just the lads,driving through Stratford Upon Avon waiting at traffic lights two 12-14yr old girls even pointed and the one girl turns to the other and says " That's a TVR I luv em"
If you have not been out in a TVR then if you ever get the chance I would recommend having a passenger ride through a built up pedestrian area and see the response.
Sorry!
(Had nightmares for 40 years now
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yonex said:
SidewaysSi said:
For a lot of the reasons mentioned in this thread, it is probably fair to say that the majority of Porsche drivers are unlikely to be car people.
Are you kidding, seriously, wow.I can imagine that away from the madness of London it is probably different but as there are 10m people here and in amongst that is the largest wealth demographic of the UK then it's conceivable that by weighting it is the norm!!!
Being Lindon born and bred I'm not used to meeting Porsche owners who are car enthusiasts. It's most uncommon.
DonkeyApple said:
yonex said:
SidewaysSi said:
For a lot of the reasons mentioned in this thread, it is probably fair to say that the majority of Porsche drivers are unlikely to be car people.
Are you kidding, seriously, wow.I can imagine that away from the madness of London it is probably different but as there are 10m people here and in amongst that is the largest wealth demographic of the UK then it's conceivable that by weighting it is the norm!!!
Being Lindon born and bred I'm not used to meeting Porsche owners who are car enthusiasts. It's most uncommon.
What matters most is how it looks and the badge on the bonnet. Nothing wrong with that but I don't think they would call themselves car people at all. Somewhat different to the average Lotus buyer for instance who has to be an enthusiast to put up with the high sill, lack of NVH suppression and relative impracticality for the thrills it delivers on the road. A Porsche is much like an Audi these days.
Edited by SidewaysSi on Tuesday 26th May 06:42
SidewaysSi said:
Exactly my point. I too live and work in London and a Porsche is simply a decent car for getting about in. Whilst there are many people who will strive all their lives to obtain a 911, I think they are in the minority. Not really sure the majority of Porsche buyers care too much about handling finesse, damping and steering feel. Well, on that last point, they wouldn't buy a new Porsche in the first place if they did!
What matters most is how it looks and the badge on the bonnet. Nothing wrong with that but I don't think they would call themselves car people at all. Somewhat different to the average Lotus buyer for instance who has to be an enthusiast to put up with the high sill, lack of NVH suppression and relative impracticality for the thrills it delivers on the road. A Porsche is much like an Audi these days.
I could say the same of both Ferrari, Caterham. I don't think you have to talk endlessly about steering feel to be considered into cars, the fact you have chosen to drive something interesting and stuck two fingers up at the economical choice is enough as far as I am converned. As for Lotus I think their prices exclude a fair few enthusiasts these days and they're more likely to be weekend playthings for the very people you don't think are worthy What matters most is how it looks and the badge on the bonnet. Nothing wrong with that but I don't think they would call themselves car people at all. Somewhat different to the average Lotus buyer for instance who has to be an enthusiast to put up with the high sill, lack of NVH suppression and relative impracticality for the thrills it delivers on the road. A Porsche is much like an Audi these days.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 26th May 06:42
yonex said:
I could say the same of both Ferrari, Caterham. I don't think you have to talk endlessly about steering feel to be considered into cars, the fact you have chosen to drive something interesting and stuck two fingers up at the economical choice is enough as far as I am converned. As for Lotus I think their prices exclude a fair few enthusiasts these days and they're more likely to be weekend playthings for the very people you don't think are worthy
You beat me to it. Very few sports / supercar brands that couldn't recieve the same (slightly odd, in my opinion) comments. Some people will buy for image, others for the driving... But that is the same for all interesting or aspirational cars - I know 2 Elise drivers that didn't buy for the intense driven experience.... But so what?OP, I've never had any negative reaction to my Porsche.
yonex said:
SidewaysSi said:
Exactly my point. I too live and work in London and a Porsche is simply a decent car for getting about in. Whilst there are many people who will strive all their lives to obtain a 911, I think they are in the minority. Not really sure the majority of Porsche buyers care too much about handling finesse, damping and steering feel. Well, on that last point, they wouldn't buy a new Porsche in the first place if they did!
What matters most is how it looks and the badge on the bonnet. Nothing wrong with that but I don't think they would call themselves car people at all. Somewhat different to the average Lotus buyer for instance who has to be an enthusiast to put up with the high sill, lack of NVH suppression and relative impracticality for the thrills it delivers on the road. A Porsche is much like an Audi these days.
I could say the same of both Ferrari, Caterham. I don't think you have to talk endlessly about steering feel to be considered into cars, the fact you have chosen to drive something interesting and stuck two fingers up at the economical choice is enough as far as I am converned. As for Lotus I think their prices exclude a fair few enthusiasts these days and they're more likely to be weekend playthings for the very people you don't think are worthy What matters most is how it looks and the badge on the bonnet. Nothing wrong with that but I don't think they would call themselves car people at all. Somewhat different to the average Lotus buyer for instance who has to be an enthusiast to put up with the high sill, lack of NVH suppression and relative impracticality for the thrills it delivers on the road. A Porsche is much like an Audi these days.
Edited by SidewaysSi on Tuesday 26th May 06:42
You can dump a Porsche on the streets so you don't need to have an expensive property with parking as you might feel obliged with a Ferrari or other similar car.
As I said, living in London gives a different perspective but for us the Porsche is part of the career ladder for many. It shows to others they've moved on from trade support or filing and now sit closer to the person chairing the 15th pointless meeting of the day. Over the years I've met hundreds of Porsche owners and don't recall a single one being interested in cars. It's just one of several benchmarks to be ticked off through your career.
I don't think you can lump a Caterham in the same bracket. I don't see why someone who buys one for occasional weekend fun would be any less an enthusiast that someone who uses one more regularly? Because you need to be a bit of a masochist to drive one, I would hazard that few are bought for anything other than the enthusiasm for driving.
All true but less true of pretty much any car this side of a Lotus or, going on from there, Caterhams etc.
A few marques where the driver is less likely to be a car enthusiast than the average Porsche buyer:-
Audi
BMW
Mercedes
Ferrari
Maserati
Aston Martin
Jaguar
The list goes on and on. All you are really saying is that Porsches aren't generally hardcore sports cars.
For what it is worth, about 1/3 of the Porsche drivers that I meet are into cars. The other 2/3 just want a nice, fast car; but they can probably still tell the difference between the driving experience (on which P still trounces its actual competition, ignoring hardcore sports cars). An F-Type is the only thing to come close in recent years and it is far more expensive than a Cayman/Boxster.
A few marques where the driver is less likely to be a car enthusiast than the average Porsche buyer:-
Audi
BMW
Mercedes
Ferrari
Maserati
Aston Martin
Jaguar
The list goes on and on. All you are really saying is that Porsches aren't generally hardcore sports cars.
For what it is worth, about 1/3 of the Porsche drivers that I meet are into cars. The other 2/3 just want a nice, fast car; but they can probably still tell the difference between the driving experience (on which P still trounces its actual competition, ignoring hardcore sports cars). An F-Type is the only thing to come close in recent years and it is far more expensive than a Cayman/Boxster.
Do people look at Cayenne as Porsches though, or as bloody great things driven to try and exude status, wealth etc etc? If you asked Joe Public to think of a Porsche would a Cayenne come to mind? It's the same as the X5 to me. A car built to try and grab a piece of the SUV pie, as opposed to a car built to be sporting and quick. Added to which 'they is a bit gangster innit'.
Drive a nice, early air cooled 911 or 912 instead and I doubt you'd get lumped into the same bracket as Mr Cayenne, despite both being Porsches.
Drive a nice, early air cooled 911 or 912 instead and I doubt you'd get lumped into the same bracket as Mr Cayenne, despite both being Porsches.
TVRJAS said:
BJG1 said:
Mandalore said:
I don't think young people know what a TVR is. Outside of petrol head forums, they think it's a kit car.
Nope, I'd have thought this before I got mine but kids a) love it and b) know what it is. Often hear a son telling his Dad what it is. They definitely get a more positive reaction on the road than most things, I think it's because they look and sound so crazy/awesome compared to another £50-£60k car and because it's British. 
Know exactly where you're coming from.My kids and their school friends would have no idea what one was, as their just not a pin up car these days.
Hence, they would recognise an iconic car like an R8, Skyline, Koeniggsegg or a Maclaren though.
I'm not saying it couldn't happen though, as my older brother used to get kids pointing at his new 2door Impreza 15 years ago. But, 'at the time', that WAS actually a rare car.
e21Mark said:
Do people look at Cayenne as Porsches though, or as bloody great things driven to try and exude status, wealth etc etc? If you asked Joe Public to think of a Porsche would a Cayenne come to mind? It's the same as the X5 to me. A car built to try and grab a piece of the SUV pie, as opposed to a car built to be sporting and quick. Added to which 'they is a bit gangster innit'.
I own a Cayenne GTS, it sells more than what many are calling 'real' Porsches so its obvious they're doing something right. For me it ticked all the boxes. I primarily use it for dog transport, I have a cage fitted in the back. I can drive in and out of fields/farms as needed. Nice high driving position, I feel safe driving it. I can take the cage out and comfortably do airport runs with 4 passengers and their luggage. I could have done all of those with a 10 year old Korean SUV with a 2 litre diesel engine. but the Porsche can also be quite enjoyably taken a drive up the coast, or to Spain. I can park it outside a 5* hotel without looking like a pauper. Likewise it won't look out of place outside nicer restaurants or bars. I can meet clients when driving it without having to explain why I'm driving what I'm driving (working on commissions, its somewhat important to reflect success)
I think if anyone who owns a Cayenne tells you they 100% don't give a s
t what anyone else thinks... they're probably lying.Mandalore said:
Sorry,
My kids and their school friends would have no idea what one was, as their just not a pin up car these days.
Hence, they would recognise an iconic car like an R8, Skyline, Koeniggsegg or a Maclaren though.
I'm not saying it couldn't happen though, as my older brother used to get kids pointing at his new 2door Impreza 15 years ago. But, 'at the time', that WAS actually a rare car.
Maybe, as I said it's not my experience of owning a Sagaris. Even if they don't know what it is, they seem more enamoured and fascinated by it than anything close to it in price. My kids and their school friends would have no idea what one was, as their just not a pin up car these days.
Hence, they would recognise an iconic car like an R8, Skyline, Koeniggsegg or a Maclaren though.
I'm not saying it couldn't happen though, as my older brother used to get kids pointing at his new 2door Impreza 15 years ago. But, 'at the time', that WAS actually a rare car.
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