Nobody likes Porsche Drivers?
Discussion
e21Mark said:
SUV and 4x4 have an advantage, in an accident, over smaller cars but any advantage is lost in an impact with a similar size / type of vehicle. Given how many there are in our towns and cities nowadays, the likelihood of hitting one seems greater too.
But given you can't control what other people buy, or what you're actually going to crash into, surely it makes sense to buy the safest car you can. If I'm going to crash into a Cayenne with my family in the car, I'd rather do it in my own Cayenne than my smart car 
KFC said:
But given you can't control what other people buy, or what you're actually going to crash into, surely it makes sense to buy the safest car you can. If I'm going to crash into a Cayenne with my family in the car, I'd rather do it in my own Cayenne than my smart car
My technique is to drive with a modicum of skill to avoid having accidents. That means I don't feel the need to drive an oversized turd shaped car everywhere.Mr2Mike said:
KFC said:
But given you can't control what other people buy, or what you're actually going to crash into, surely it makes sense to buy the safest car you can. If I'm going to crash into a Cayenne with my family in the car, I'd rather do it in my own Cayenne than my smart car
My technique is to drive with a modicum of skill to avoid having accidents. That means I don't feel the need to drive an oversized turd shaped car everywhere.Indeed, some days I go out thinking, **** it, I think I will try and have an accident today
Mr2Mike said:
My technique is to drive with a modicum of skill to avoid having accidents. That means I don't feel the need to drive an oversized turd shaped car everywhere.
Nah, just an underpowered chav-box with its power at the wrong wheels. 
Each to his own and all that. I don't see the point of questioning why someone wants a 4x4, they do and that's all you need to know.
Mr2Mike said:
My technique is to drive with a modicum of skill to avoid having accidents. That means I don't feel the need to drive an oversized turd shaped car everywhere.
If someones going to crash into the back of me while I'm stationary, or run a red light and smash into the side of me (i.e. two things which are 100% not my fault and no way I could have avoided it) I'd far rather be in my Cayenne than your Civic.One of the reasons I love having my huge petrol guzzling 4x4 is because it's the total opposite of what the government want us to have. I'm afraid I would rather not conform to their don't do as I do, do as I say polices . Another reason I like it is because it offends tree hugging, fart sniffing, lentil eaters. The main reason I love it is because it suits my needs I have the means to run it and it's what I want. So if people don't like it they can fu@k off.
RDMcG said:
Well.. it has 156,000Km on it,with over 50,000km towing a trailer with a car on it, has been off roaded, driven in Canadian winters,run flat out, used as a dog transport and generally abused, so it would qualify in my eyes as a working vehicle….lots of dents on it
Congrats OP. Some interesting discussion here but not all OT.I don't think this is unique to Porsche drivers. Any large SUV or newish Audi/BMW/Mercedes can attract contempt from other drivers. 20 years ago, you might also say this was true of the Escort XR3i! Some of these vehicles are quite nice and I would be happy to own them myself (and I think I'm quite a nice guy)! It is also true though that they do attract more than their fair share of aggressive drivers with a f*** everyone else mentality!
If you want a more positive reaction from people, drive something British! Astons, Jaguars, Lotii, TVRs and Morgans all seem to get a thumbs up from the general public. Maybe a Maserati too but not necessarily a Ferrari or Lamborgini.
Having said that, older Porsches, Audis, BMWs and Mercedes don't seem to attract so much contempt from others. The most positive reaction I have had from other drivers was when I was driving my white E30 325i Carbiolet and it was a 15 year old car at the time. I got let out of side roads all the time in it. I expected to get treated like a c*** by others whilst driving my World Rally Blue WRX too but no, other drivers were very courteous. Perhaps being a Wagon helped? In fact the only time another driver was aggressive towards me driving it was in France and he was driving an Audi A3!
Oh, and the only time I got called a w***** by another driver (WVM) was when I was test driving a red Fiat 500C (the joys of open-top motoring) and the only car that I have ever had vandalised was a 10 year old 2k Peugeot 205 GTi. Weird! I doubt someone driving an older, air-cooled 911 or an Ur Quattro would get abuse from other drivers really.
I think British drivers are actually more courteous than most though. Perhaps it's because the roads are so crowded? I have lived in Manitoba, Canada for 2 years now. A province over twice the area of Great Britain and yet only about 1.2 million, most of which (about 1 million) live in the biggest city, Winnipeg. I live in the second biggest city (Brandon), which is expanding fairly rapidly, so traffic levels can get quite high at times. However, people never let you out of side turns, never pull over on the highway to let you merge and always block your exit if you're trying to cross traffic to turn left, whatever you are driving. And yet, you can turn right at a red stop light and we have 4-way stops instead of roundabouts and somehow that seems to work OK. The exception is if you are cycling or a pedestrian, when people driving along the main road stop to let you cross! Quite annoying, because I'm trying to teach my children to cross the road safely and that doesn't help if they ever go to somewhere like Paris, London, Rome or New York!
With regards to SUVs. I never really got them until I moved here. In the UK, you needed to get a diesel for acceptable economy and then you're still only getting 25mpgish and not much in the way of performance. Big to park and thread down narrow B-roads, expensive to repair, high VED. Quite frankly if I'm only going to get 25mpg, I would rather have a fast estate that handles and has some performance. I used to find it annoying too when a large SUV/van pulled up alongside me at a junction/roundabout obscuring my view. I did buy an older Jeep Grand Cherokee when I first got here and it really got under my skin. Loads of space (I have 2 kids now), super comfy and we have enough snow sometimes that the extra ground clearance does make a difference. I wish I still had it but rust, 18mpg and a spate of expensive repairs forced my hand. A new-style Grand Cherokee diesel would probably be the only SUV that I would consider in the UK. Are they safer? Well, I guess yes if you hit a smaller vehicle (poor people in the Fiesta though) but they're more likely to fall over in an impact and if you hit something stationary, you may well be better off in the Fiesta (less kinetic energy).
I've never driven a performance SUV, so can't really comment on how good they are at making quick progress cross country. I can't say that I ever felt that lack of visibility was holding me back in my WRX. Although I was very fond of my Jeep, it would have handled like crap on a twisty road (as would most SUVs I think). Surely only the Cayenne, new Supercharged Rangie Sport and possibly the high performance X5 are the only SUVs that really handle? I'm sure they would be good fun but with top whack VED and single figure mpg if you're cracking on, surely only the preserve of the very wealthy?
white_goodman said:
Congrats OP. Some interesting discussion here but not all OT.
I don't think this is unique to Porsche drivers. Any large SUV or newish Audi/BMW/Mercedes can attract contempt from other drivers. 20 years ago, you might also say this was true of the Escort XR3i! Some of these vehicles are quite nice and I would be happy to own them myself (and I think I'm quite a nice guy)! It is also true though that they do attract more than their fair share of aggressive drivers with a f*** everyone else mentality!
If you want a more positive reaction from people, drive something British! Astons, Jaguars, Lotii, TVRs and Morgans all seem to get a thumbs up from the general public. Maybe a Maserati too but not necessarily a Ferrari or Lamborgini.
Having said that, older Porsches, Audis, BMWs and Mercedes don't seem to attract so much contempt from others. The most positive reaction I have had from other drivers was when I was driving my white E30 325i Carbiolet and it was a 15 year old car at the time. I got let out of side roads all the time in it. I expected to get treated like a c*** by others whilst driving my World Rally Blue WRX too but no, other drivers were very courteous. Perhaps being a Wagon helped? In fact the only time another driver was aggressive towards me driving it was in France and he was driving an Audi A3!
Oh, and the only time I got called a w***** by another driver (WVM) was when I was test driving a red Fiat 500C (the joys of open-top motoring) and the only car that I have ever had vandalised was a 10 year old 2k Peugeot 205 GTi. Weird! I doubt someone driving an older, air-cooled 911 or an Ur Quattro would get abuse from other drivers really.
I think British drivers are actually more courteous than most though. Perhaps it's because the roads are so crowded? I have lived in Manitoba, Canada for 2 years now. A province over twice the area of Great Britain and yet only about 1.2 million, most of which (about 1 million) live in the biggest city, Winnipeg. I live in the second biggest city (Brandon), which is expanding fairly rapidly, so traffic levels can get quite high at times. However, people never let you out of side turns, never pull over on the highway to let you merge and always block your exit if you're trying to cross traffic to turn left, whatever you are driving. And yet, you can turn right at a red stop light and we have 4-way stops instead of roundabouts and somehow that seems to work OK. The exception is if you are cycling or a pedestrian, when people driving along the main road stop to let you cross! Quite annoying, because I'm trying to teach my children to cross the road safely and that doesn't help if they ever go to somewhere like Paris, London, Rome or New York!
With regards to SUVs. I never really got them until I moved here. In the UK, you needed to get a diesel for acceptable economy and then you're still only getting 25mpgish and not much in the way of performance. Big to park and thread down narrow B-roads, expensive to repair, high VED. Quite frankly if I'm only going to get 25mpg, I would rather have a fast estate that handles and has some performance. I used to find it annoying too when a large SUV/van pulled up alongside me at a junction/roundabout obscuring my view. I did buy an older Jeep Grand Cherokee when I first got here and it really got under my skin. Loads of space (I have 2 kids now), super comfy and we have enough snow sometimes that the extra ground clearance does make a difference. I wish I still had it but rust, 18mpg and a spate of expensive repairs forced my hand. A new-style Grand Cherokee diesel would probably be the only SUV that I would consider in the UK. Are they safer? Well, I guess yes if you hit a smaller vehicle (poor people in the Fiesta though) but they're more likely to fall over in an impact and if you hit something stationary, you may well be better off in the Fiesta (less kinetic energy).
I've never driven a performance SUV, so can't really comment on how good they are at making quick progress cross country. I can't say that I ever felt that lack of visibility was holding me back in my WRX. Although I was very fond of my Jeep, it would have handled like crap on a twisty road (as would most SUVs I think). Surely only the Cayenne, new Supercharged Rangie Sport and possibly the high performance X5 are the only SUVs that really handle? I'm sure they would be good fun but with top whack VED and single figure mpg if you're cracking on, surely only the preserve of the very wealthy?
Thank you. This has been an interesting journey, not as interesting as your life journey however! Ultimately the thread has shown the passion that cars bring out in people, good and bad. Ultimately it is a box on wheels that goes from a to b, we all fall for the marketing and public opinion as we strive for the latest car. Some days I want to be anonymous, some days I want to be seen, some days I want to cruise, some days I want to go fast. The Cayenne was a choice based on safety, brand, speed, no more expensive than any SUV particularly due to the low depreciation in comparison. So far no car has met the dream, how I thought it would be, aston v8v, z4, A5, e coupe or the cayenne. The more you pay, the bigger the brand, the less you get as standard. Whatever you get, it soon becomes normal. While this thread has been running I welcomed my son into the world, all of this car stuff pales into insignificance. Let's keep the debate going though as it's been truly riveting! Keen to know what everyone here drives and their experiences!I don't think this is unique to Porsche drivers. Any large SUV or newish Audi/BMW/Mercedes can attract contempt from other drivers. 20 years ago, you might also say this was true of the Escort XR3i! Some of these vehicles are quite nice and I would be happy to own them myself (and I think I'm quite a nice guy)! It is also true though that they do attract more than their fair share of aggressive drivers with a f*** everyone else mentality!
If you want a more positive reaction from people, drive something British! Astons, Jaguars, Lotii, TVRs and Morgans all seem to get a thumbs up from the general public. Maybe a Maserati too but not necessarily a Ferrari or Lamborgini.
Having said that, older Porsches, Audis, BMWs and Mercedes don't seem to attract so much contempt from others. The most positive reaction I have had from other drivers was when I was driving my white E30 325i Carbiolet and it was a 15 year old car at the time. I got let out of side roads all the time in it. I expected to get treated like a c*** by others whilst driving my World Rally Blue WRX too but no, other drivers were very courteous. Perhaps being a Wagon helped? In fact the only time another driver was aggressive towards me driving it was in France and he was driving an Audi A3!
Oh, and the only time I got called a w***** by another driver (WVM) was when I was test driving a red Fiat 500C (the joys of open-top motoring) and the only car that I have ever had vandalised was a 10 year old 2k Peugeot 205 GTi. Weird! I doubt someone driving an older, air-cooled 911 or an Ur Quattro would get abuse from other drivers really.
I think British drivers are actually more courteous than most though. Perhaps it's because the roads are so crowded? I have lived in Manitoba, Canada for 2 years now. A province over twice the area of Great Britain and yet only about 1.2 million, most of which (about 1 million) live in the biggest city, Winnipeg. I live in the second biggest city (Brandon), which is expanding fairly rapidly, so traffic levels can get quite high at times. However, people never let you out of side turns, never pull over on the highway to let you merge and always block your exit if you're trying to cross traffic to turn left, whatever you are driving. And yet, you can turn right at a red stop light and we have 4-way stops instead of roundabouts and somehow that seems to work OK. The exception is if you are cycling or a pedestrian, when people driving along the main road stop to let you cross! Quite annoying, because I'm trying to teach my children to cross the road safely and that doesn't help if they ever go to somewhere like Paris, London, Rome or New York!
With regards to SUVs. I never really got them until I moved here. In the UK, you needed to get a diesel for acceptable economy and then you're still only getting 25mpgish and not much in the way of performance. Big to park and thread down narrow B-roads, expensive to repair, high VED. Quite frankly if I'm only going to get 25mpg, I would rather have a fast estate that handles and has some performance. I used to find it annoying too when a large SUV/van pulled up alongside me at a junction/roundabout obscuring my view. I did buy an older Jeep Grand Cherokee when I first got here and it really got under my skin. Loads of space (I have 2 kids now), super comfy and we have enough snow sometimes that the extra ground clearance does make a difference. I wish I still had it but rust, 18mpg and a spate of expensive repairs forced my hand. A new-style Grand Cherokee diesel would probably be the only SUV that I would consider in the UK. Are they safer? Well, I guess yes if you hit a smaller vehicle (poor people in the Fiesta though) but they're more likely to fall over in an impact and if you hit something stationary, you may well be better off in the Fiesta (less kinetic energy).
I've never driven a performance SUV, so can't really comment on how good they are at making quick progress cross country. I can't say that I ever felt that lack of visibility was holding me back in my WRX. Although I was very fond of my Jeep, it would have handled like crap on a twisty road (as would most SUVs I think). Surely only the Cayenne, new Supercharged Rangie Sport and possibly the high performance X5 are the only SUVs that really handle? I'm sure they would be good fun but with top whack VED and single figure mpg if you're cracking on, surely only the preserve of the very wealthy?
king exhausted but happy as hell.Thread is about cars not kids. Not sure what they have to do with this thread in the slightest. Many have them, some on the way. But let's not get off track from the idiotic grandiose, self inflated, egotistical moronic remark from the OP because he drives what the majority of the public see as a rubbish excuse for a Porsche.
e8_pack said:
Thread is about cars not kids. Not sure what they have to do with this thread in the slightest. Many have them, some on the way. But let's not get off track from the idiotic grandiose, self inflated, egotistical moronic remark from the OP because he drives what the majority of the public see as a rubbish excuse for a Porsche.
Smooth! What do you drive?DonkeyApple said:
veevee said:
DonkeyApple said:
Fun.
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But I like them because firstly they are tremendous fun to hoon and secondly they are the fastest way to cross country. And on top of that they are relaxing to drive when you want to potter about.
I can't see how something so tall and heavy would be more fun, or quicker, than the same engine in a large estate or saloon car?...
But I like them because firstly they are tremendous fun to hoon and secondly they are the fastest way to cross country. And on top of that they are relaxing to drive when you want to potter about.
I think the best example I can give was being able to overtake an Aston on a corner on the A90 because for him it was a blind bend that he needed to slow down and stay in lane for whereas for me, as I could see over the embankment and see every bit of tarmac I had no need to slow. Or out in the Cotswolds where the roads undulate a lot and in the TVR you have a lot of blind dips that stop you passing that in the Ramgie you don't. Another aspect, especially at the moment as most councils haven't been out yet to cut the vegetation is the approach to many junctions, like roundabouts, are obscured in a lower car meaning you have to slow or stop. But are not in a taller car. In a lower car, to travel at the same sort of speeds at which you can in an SUV you need to be taking more risks.
For the fun bit. All I can suggest is that you take an old shape Cayenne Turbo for a B road test drive and then take a 911 Turbo out from the same era. The 911 is the faster car on paper. But you will find that on an English B road complex with all its dips, undulations, ridges, obscured corners, concealed junctions, hedges, potholes etc, you'll travel quicker in the big ugly fridge and you'll be laughing out loud at how it gets round a corner and rips itself out the other side.
Likewise with the new SVR Rangie Sport versus the same engine in the XF or XJ. The Sport will leave you laughing.
Proper performance SUVs are enormous fun to hoon.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Thursday 28th May 09:39
Also I'm curious to know where on the A90 an Aston might have to slow down for a corner that an SUV wouldn't. I know the whole length of the A90 like the back of my hand, being a local and all. I can't think of a single bend on it that can't comfortably be taken at 75+ mph in the wet by any half decent car with the exception of a short section near Cruden Bay which were more like 45mph bends but they were straightened out over a decade ago.
I'm not anti-SUV, but they have yet to convince me to exchange money for one. I don't believe the advantages you claim are differentiators. I've yet to have a Range Rover or a Cayenne GTS stuck behind me frustrated at my slowness when driving the TVR up the A947 or B999 for example.
e8_pack said:
Thread is about cars not kids. Not sure what they have to do with this thread in the slightest. Many have them, some on the way. But let's not get off track from the idiotic grandiose, self inflated, egotistical moronic remark from the OP because he drives what the majority of the public see as a rubbish excuse for a Porsche.
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