Nobody likes Porsche Drivers?
Discussion
Classic Love it. yonex said:
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People are challenged when somebody has anything different to them. It's not a Porsche thing, it's a jealousy thing.
I think it can sometimes work the other way around, too. People are challenged when somebody has anything different to them. It's not a Porsche thing, it's a jealousy thing.
I have had a few people unable to comprehend that I drive a 28 year old car by choice, not necessity. It really seemed to trouble them
I also know several people who pour all their spare time and money into race cars / bikes, and whose daily driver is just basic transport. The idea that they would be envious of a Cayenne driver would amuse them no end, unless said Cayenne was towing something interesting.
yonex said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
What? it was painted inside as well as out? I have seen painted Caterhams which `looked' OK on the outside, but were rotten underneath, Whilst they are generally well made, they are not made to be durable, with almost no factory attention given to rust proofing / long term durability beyond what the owners themselves choose to apply. Many of the smaller chassis tubes are so light, they can be punctured by a stone. The fact that many last well as they do, is much more to do with how they are used, (in particular `not' taking them out in adverse conditions, because they generally don't have to be used that way) than with how they are produced in the factory.
The most fun I ever had was in wet conditions on winter tyres. It's a shame that lots of people are scared of the odd blemish, realistically the powder coat on some of them is so poor anyway that at some point it is probably heading for an overhaul. Given the ease in rebuilding them it never bothered me, it was there to be used, and I did, as much as possible. It's not a Porsche but I don't think there is much difference between the owners, I would and have bought both.People are challenged when somebody has anything different to them. It's not a Porsche thing, it's a jealousy thing.
The relatively small gain in driving enjoyment over driving them on dry roads, obtained from driving them on wet / ice snow salt covered roads, is offset by the effect of the salt on unprotected aluminium (even if it is painted on the outside) and the chassis, which you correctly pointed out has sometimes less than perfect powder coating.
As for the jealousy aspect, completely agree with you, some people seem to be intimidated by someone in `any' car which is perceived by them, to be better than the one `they' are sitting in (or worse still the bus stop they are standing at) Consequently they manifest this by rude comments and gestures, which to be frank is about all they `have' got to alleviate whatever sense of inferiority
occurs within them.
SidewaysSi said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
yonex said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
I really don't believe that most of the people who drive Caterhams want to be `seen' as anything, they buy them for the driving experience this vehicle type offers, and really don't give a monkeys
for how they are `seen'
As for driving them in the snow, as Caterhams are clad in aluminium, driving them in snow / salt, is not all that clever, which is why most owners don't do it, not least because for most owners a Caterham is not their daily driver. So why wipe thousands off the value of one, when you don't have to? Caterhams are generally well made but not durable if used on salt covered roads.
For info, I didn't lose thousands, remarkably they can also be used in the wet. Aluminum covered in paint is quite sturdy...for how they are `seen'
As for driving them in the snow, as Caterhams are clad in aluminium, driving them in snow / salt, is not all that clever, which is why most owners don't do it, not least because for most owners a Caterham is not their daily driver. So why wipe thousands off the value of one, when you don't have to? Caterhams are generally well made but not durable if used on salt covered roads.
When buyers found they had to get their hands dirty to keep them on the road, or run up big garage bills if they couldn't work on them themselves, they got turned off them in droves, so the mark 4 turned out to be not as popular as the earlier versions.
I bought my Caterham/s simply because nothing else that I could remotely afford, delivered anywhere near the driving experience of a Seven.
Pan Pan Pan said:
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As for the jealousy aspect, completely agree with you, some people seem to be intimidated by someone in `any' car which is perceived by them, to be better than the one `they' are sitting in (or worse still the bus stop they are standing at) Consequently they manifest this by rude comments and gestures, which to be frank is about all they `have' got to alleviate whatever sense of inferiority
occurs within them.
Do you have the faintest idea how supercilious you sound, posting this again and again?As for the jealousy aspect, completely agree with you, some people seem to be intimidated by someone in `any' car which is perceived by them, to be better than the one `they' are sitting in (or worse still the bus stop they are standing at) Consequently they manifest this by rude comments and gestures, which to be frank is about all they `have' got to alleviate whatever sense of inferiority
occurs within them.
Do you sneer at everyone less well off than you?
Not sure how we veered off into the Caterham, but, for the record, I have always thought they were unbelievably pure expressions of PHism. The reason I do not have one is not snobbery at all, but I had some difficulty in fitting into one. I have never personally seen anyone look down ( except physically) on a Caterham driver. I will probably not own one but I suspect a Morgan might be in my future.
Have not had any particularly nasty comments of any kind on my Porsches, though they are fairly common in downtown Toronto, so nobody is really going to notice them..
) on a Caterham driver. I will probably not own one but I suspect a Morgan might be in my future.Have not had any particularly nasty comments of any kind on my Porsches, though they are fairly common in downtown Toronto, so nobody is really going to notice them..
jamieduff1981 said:
DonkeyApple said:
veevee said:
DonkeyApple said:
Fun.
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But I like them because firstly they are tremendous fun to hoon and secondly they are the fastest way to cross country. And on top of that they are relaxing to drive when you want to potter about.
I can't see how something so tall and heavy would be more fun, or quicker, than the same engine in a large estate or saloon car?...
But I like them because firstly they are tremendous fun to hoon and secondly they are the fastest way to cross country. And on top of that they are relaxing to drive when you want to potter about.
I think the best example I can give was being able to overtake an Aston on a corner on the A90 because for him it was a blind bend that he needed to slow down and stay in lane for whereas for me, as I could see over the embankment and see every bit of tarmac I had no need to slow. Or out in the Cotswolds where the roads undulate a lot and in the TVR you have a lot of blind dips that stop you passing that in the Ramgie you don't. Another aspect, especially at the moment as most councils haven't been out yet to cut the vegetation is the approach to many junctions, like roundabouts, are obscured in a lower car meaning you have to slow or stop. But are not in a taller car. In a lower car, to travel at the same sort of speeds at which you can in an SUV you need to be taking more risks.
For the fun bit. All I can suggest is that you take an old shape Cayenne Turbo for a B road test drive and then take a 911 Turbo out from the same era. The 911 is the faster car on paper. But you will find that on an English B road complex with all its dips, undulations, ridges, obscured corners, concealed junctions, hedges, potholes etc, you'll travel quicker in the big ugly fridge and you'll be laughing out loud at how it gets round a corner and rips itself out the other side.
Likewise with the new SVR Rangie Sport versus the same engine in the XF or XJ. The Sport will leave you laughing.
Proper performance SUVs are enormous fun to hoon.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Thursday 28th May 09:39
Also I'm curious to know where on the A90 an Aston might have to slow down for a corner that an SUV wouldn't. I know the whole length of the A90 like the back of my hand, being a local and all. I can't think of a single bend on it that can't comfortably be taken at 75+ mph in the wet by any half decent car with the exception of a short section near Cruden Bay which were more like 45mph bends but they were straightened out over a decade ago.
I'm not anti-SUV, but they have yet to convince me to exchange money for one. I don't believe the advantages you claim are differentiators. I've yet to have a Range Rover or a Cayenne GTS stuck behind me frustrated at my slowness when driving the TVR up the A947 or B999 for example.
The road I was thinking of was out of Thurso on the lap of Scotland so probably the A99 rather than the 90.
Re the final matter, Range Rovers are too slow. I'm referring to things like the Cayenne Turbo or the SVR Sport etc which would easily sit behind a Tiv and result in the Tiv driver needing manifestly better driving skills than the SUV driver and to take far higher risks to try and pull away.
My LSE Overfinch was a much quicker A to B car than the Typhon on my weekly commute. Both would sit at the same speed on the motorway and dual carriage way. Both got let out by people etc but on the A44 for example, there were probably around 10 potential overtake points with the Rangie and less than 5 with the Tiv because of how low you were and the nature of the dips and hedgerows. And in terms of multiple car passing opportunities the difference was properly manifest.
Having just returned from the country lanes of Devon, these were also roads where a fast SUV will outperform the equivalent sort of hatch or saloon etc.
AW111 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
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As for the jealousy aspect, completely agree with you, some people seem to be intimidated by someone in `any' car which is perceived by them, to be better than the one `they' are sitting in (or worse still the bus stop they are standing at) Consequently they manifest this by rude comments and gestures, which to be frank is about all they `have' got to alleviate whatever sense of inferiority
occurs within them.
Do you have the faintest idea how supercilious you sound, posting this again and again?As for the jealousy aspect, completely agree with you, some people seem to be intimidated by someone in `any' car which is perceived by them, to be better than the one `they' are sitting in (or worse still the bus stop they are standing at) Consequently they manifest this by rude comments and gestures, which to be frank is about all they `have' got to alleviate whatever sense of inferiority
occurs within them.
Do you sneer at everyone less well off than you?
If I see someone in any nice that car `I' will never be able to afford in my lifetime, I just think, Hmmm, nice car. I don't immediately resort to foul language, name calling, and rude gestures to the driver as some to feel the need to do.
So as posted above it is `all' about the attitude of the person who resorts to this type of behaviour, not with the person who just happens to be driving a nice/r car.
Pan Pan Pan said:
It seems you don't understand. This has nothing to do with social standing, an individuals wealth, the car types being driven, but in the way `some' individuals choose to express their sense of inferiority (or entitlement)
If I see someone in any nice that car `I' will never be able to afford in my lifetime, I just think, Hmmm, nice car. I don't immediately resort to foul language, name calling, and rude gestures to the driver as some to feel the need to do.
So as posted above it is `all' about the attitude of the person who resorts to this type of behaviour, not with the person who just happens to be driving a nice/r car.
+ 1. You said nothing about feeling superior to anyone. You were talking about others having a sense of inferiority. Different things. The fact that I think person x has an inferiority complex / social anxiety problem does not mean that I think myself superior. If I see someone in any nice that car `I' will never be able to afford in my lifetime, I just think, Hmmm, nice car. I don't immediately resort to foul language, name calling, and rude gestures to the driver as some to feel the need to do.
So as posted above it is `all' about the attitude of the person who resorts to this type of behaviour, not with the person who just happens to be driving a nice/r car.
Typical PH reverse snobbery from the other poster.
ORD said:
+ 1. You said nothing about feeling superior to anyone. You were talking about others having a sense of inferiority. Different things. The fact that I think person x has an inferiority complex / social anxiety problem does not mean that I think myself superior.
Typical PH reverse snobbery from the other poster.
My point is, some people behave like dicks. I get that. What I don't get is the mind reading skill that enables you (plural) to toss around words like inferiority complex and social anxiety when people behave like that.Typical PH reverse snobbery from the other poster.
AW111 said:
ORD said:
+ 1. You said nothing about feeling superior to anyone. You were talking about others having a sense of inferiority. Different things. The fact that I think person x has an inferiority complex / social anxiety problem does not mean that I think myself superior.
Typical PH reverse snobbery from the other poster.
My point is, some people behave like dicks. I get that. What I don't get is the mind reading skill that enables you (plural) to toss around words like inferiority complex and social anxiety when people behave like that.Typical PH reverse snobbery from the other poster.
What in your view, do you believe causes these individuals, to spontaneously use foul language, rude gestures, and other aggressive behaviours towards someone they have never seen before, do not know, and who happen to be doing no more than sitting in / driving a certain type of vehicle?
This is a genuine question. Because by stating that you `get' people who are behaving like `dicks' does this mean that you condone this sort of behaviour?
If someone you don't know / have never met, starts acting aggressively towards you, using foul language, rude gestures etc, would you not be even a little curious to know what caused them to do it?
Pan Pan Pan said:
What in your view, do you believe causes these individuals, to spontaneously use foul language, rude gestures, and other aggressive behaviours towards someone they have never seen before, do not know, and who happen to be doing no more than sitting in / driving a certain type of vehicle?
This is a genuine question. Because by stating that you `get' people who are behaving like `dicks' does this mean that you condone this sort of behaviour?
If someone you don't know / have never met, starts acting aggressively towards you, using foul language, rude gestures etc, would you not be even a little curious to know what caused them to do it?
I drive "M" cars all the time current one an M6 GC CP in white so it does stand out some, but never had any unwanted attention ever.
JMBMWM5 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
What in your view, do you believe causes these individuals, to spontaneously use foul language, rude gestures, and other aggressive behaviours towards someone they have never seen before, do not know, and who happen to be doing no more than sitting in / driving a certain type of vehicle?
This is a genuine question. Because by stating that you `get' people who are behaving like `dicks' does this mean that you condone this sort of behaviour?
If someone you don't know / have never met, starts acting aggressively towards you, using foul language, rude gestures etc, would you not be even a little curious to know what caused them to do it?
I drive "M" cars all the time current one an M6 GC CP in white so it does stand out some, but never had any unwanted attention ever.
Very few cars make me take a second look, and certainly, new exotics or sports cars are not going to do it. If I saw (say) a Citroen SM or a Mini Moke, then I would be much more inclined to look than a Ferrari or a Porsche. I saw a Gullwing being driven,not a concours car, a while ago, and that was just a delight to see on the road.
JMBMWM5 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
What in your view, do you believe causes these individuals, to spontaneously use foul language, rude gestures, and other aggressive behaviours towards someone they have never seen before, do not know, and who happen to be doing no more than sitting in / driving a certain type of vehicle?
This is a genuine question. Because by stating that you `get' people who are behaving like `dicks' does this mean that you condone this sort of behaviour?
If someone you don't know / have never met, starts acting aggressively towards you, using foul language, rude gestures etc, would you not be even a little curious to know what caused them to do it?
I drive "M" cars all the time current one an M6 GC CP in white so it does stand out some, but never had any unwanted attention ever.
I have had it happen to me, when doing no more than sitting in a line of slow moving traffic in a Caterham, which is about as `un-flash' a vehicle, as it is possible to get. So I am genuinely interested in what others might believe actually triggers certain individuals to use this behaviour.
Cpb1702 said:
MrBarry123 said:
f
king hell - lighten up.
The OP stated that his Cayenne made him feel superior to other knobheads as if the car some way elevated his social status.
I'd imagine that the majority of Cayennes are leased nowadays and therefore, whilst still a lovely automobile, not something which demonstrates how wealthy/successful/fabulous you are anymore but rather how much credit you're happy to expose yourself to.
For the record, I'm all for leased cars and completely understand why people opt for them.
I got the car as wanted better safety for family, and was best car for the money at the time and if you looked at depreciation and yes I do lease as I prefer to put my money elsewhere.king hell - lighten up.The OP stated that his Cayenne made him feel superior to other knobheads as if the car some way elevated his social status.
I'd imagine that the majority of Cayennes are leased nowadays and therefore, whilst still a lovely automobile, not something which demonstrates how wealthy/successful/fabulous you are anymore but rather how much credit you're happy to expose yourself to.
For the record, I'm all for leased cars and completely understand why people opt for them.
You are right a car does not make one person superior over another.
The thread is about jealousy towards a car.
I suspect the reason you don't get let out of junctions is because you're one of these sorts who just tries force their way into a queue, hence the gesticulating, swearing etc.
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