RE: Jaguar F-Type V6 S Manual: Driven
Discussion
Mr Tidy said:
Just out of curiosity does anyone know why the Autocar "long-term" (as in more then 6 months) V6 needed a new engine under warranty?
Should that be a concern for private buyers especially when the warranty expires? Maybe like the slipping clutch?
Much as I want Jaguar to succeed I really would not want to run their development programme for them.
British motor industry repeating itself maybe??
Doesn't necessarily just afflict Jaguar, Porsche had to replace a whole run of GT3 engines only last year..Should that be a concern for private buyers especially when the warranty expires? Maybe like the slipping clutch?
Much as I want Jaguar to succeed I really would not want to run their development programme for them.
British motor industry repeating itself maybe??
truck71 said:
Doesn't necessarily just afflict Jaguar, Porsche had to replace a whole run of GT3 engines only last year..
Smallish production volume engines are never going to be as thoroughly tested as the mainstream four-pots fitted to family hatchbacks and rep mobiles. It's just not commercially viable to do so. elementad said:
I've always had manual cars but went for the flappy paddle v6s and it's awesome. I like that they're offering a manual in the car but I honestly don't feel any less engaged using the paddles.
My feeling with the V8S with flappy paddles was that they were superfluous. They work very well, but it's just a way of burning more petrol. The gearbox in full automatic mode does a perfectly good job without the driver interfering. That should be a positive thing, but I'm not sure it is.I expected to have my wallet twitching when I gave it back after a week and 800 miles, but instead I wanted to carefully think about it.
The V8 had more power than can be used meaning the opportunity to sing the engine out was never there, and tbh I felt like a prat using the paddles. A V6S that could be driven harder and a good manual would be ideal for me.
It's not a family saloon. It shouldn't have a compellingly good drive itself mode. IMO of course.
fatboy b said:
JonnyVTEC said:
robm3 said:
I read it's a packaging issue, the gearbox can't fit behind the V8 with major mods to chassis.
That's not correct.Info here:
http://www.zf.com/corporate/en_de/products/product...
truck71 said:
Mr Tidy said:
Just out of curiosity does anyone know why the Autocar "long-term" (as in more then 6 months) V6 needed a new engine under warranty?
Should that be a concern for private buyers especially when the warranty expires? Maybe like the slipping clutch?
Much as I want Jaguar to succeed I really would not want to run their development programme for them.
British motor industry repeating itself maybe??
Doesn't necessarily just afflict Jaguar, Porsche had to replace a whole run of GT3 engines only last year..Should that be a concern for private buyers especially when the warranty expires? Maybe like the slipping clutch?
Much as I want Jaguar to succeed I really would not want to run their development programme for them.
British motor industry repeating itself maybe??
But nobody gloats all over a Porsche thread about it. Running a homegrown company down is a very British disease isn't it. Very PH-Centric. Kind of makes you proud (no, it really doesn't).
Press Demo cars are from very early build phases, and customer cars won't suffer such maladies.
i have just returned from hiring a jag f type in scotland .
it took a while to get used to the 8 speed auto box.
i didn't like it at all until i figured out to leave it in the sport setting and just use the flappy paddles all the time.
There was a part on the route where i think the flappy paddles were an advantage due to the road being a series of 200m straights and hairpin corners ,but a manual gearbox always sounds better going up the box due to the noise made when you dip the clutch to change gear ,rather than the lazy sounding drone of an auto gearbox upshift.
Also . when you want to give the car a rev in town ,when people gesture you to do so , you can't do it without engaging neutral first.
it took a while to get used to the 8 speed auto box.
i didn't like it at all until i figured out to leave it in the sport setting and just use the flappy paddles all the time.
There was a part on the route where i think the flappy paddles were an advantage due to the road being a series of 200m straights and hairpin corners ,but a manual gearbox always sounds better going up the box due to the noise made when you dip the clutch to change gear ,rather than the lazy sounding drone of an auto gearbox upshift.
Also . when you want to give the car a rev in town ,when people gesture you to do so , you can't do it without engaging neutral first.
i have just returned from hiring a jag f type in scotland .
it took a while to get used to the 8 speed auto box.
i didn't like it at all until i figured out to leave it in the sport setting and just use the flappy paddles all the time.
There was a part on the route where i think the flappy paddles were an advantage due to the road being a series of 200m straights and hairpin corners ,but a manual gearbox always sounds better going up the box due to the noise made when you dip the clutch to change gear ,rather than the lazy sounding drone of an auto gearbox upshift.
Also . when you want to give the car a rev in town ,when people gesture you to do so , you can't do it without engaging neutral first.
it took a while to get used to the 8 speed auto box.
i didn't like it at all until i figured out to leave it in the sport setting and just use the flappy paddles all the time.
There was a part on the route where i think the flappy paddles were an advantage due to the road being a series of 200m straights and hairpin corners ,but a manual gearbox always sounds better going up the box due to the noise made when you dip the clutch to change gear ,rather than the lazy sounding drone of an auto gearbox upshift.
Also . when you want to give the car a rev in town ,when people gesture you to do so , you can't do it without engaging neutral first.
Mr Tidy said:
mattwilko said:
I believe the ZF manual can't handle the torque of the V8 so unless ZF are gonna make another one or Jag do their own I can't see it happening unfortunately. Major want for this one though...
Maybe that particular ZF can't but Chevy have a manual option for the Corvette and Vauxhall offered a manual VXR8 so there surely is a gearbox that can cope? Even BMW managed to source a manual for the V10 M5 in the US market - quite why they couldn't for here will remain one of life's mysteries!Jaguar said the same about the XJS V12 but conveniently forgot they did make manuals for the first year or so! (And offered a manual for V12 E-types).
Judging by the article maybe the clutch is actually the problem!!
Saying all that I hope they get it sorted, and stick a manual in the V6 XE while they are at it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tremec_TR-6060_transm...
Matt I must now question whether you have suffered a biking accident without a Helmet or your tweed trousers are squeezing your testicles and cutting off blood to your grey matter.....A bad Jaguar does not exist????????????? I say this to you "2001 Jaguar X-Type" an insult to the once proud English name , just a tarted up piece of dead fish, handled like a shopping cart, over heated on the slightest of summer days, what is your definition of a bad car? This car was actually voted in time magazine as on of 50 worst cars ever. So I disagree with you and don't make stupid blanket statements out of blind patriotism!!!
Happyjap said:
Matt I must now question whether you have suffered a biking accident without a Helmet or your tweed trousers are squeezing your testicles and cutting off blood to your grey matter.....A bad Jaguar does not exist????????????? I say this to you "2001 Jaguar X-Type" an insult to the once proud English name , just a tarted up piece of dead fish, handled like a shopping cart, over heated on the slightest of summer days, what is your definition of a bad car? This car was actually voted in time magazine as on of 50 worst cars ever. So I disagree with you and don't make stupid blanket statements out of blind patriotism!!!
Errr....I think you need to go back and re-read the first line of the article.As for this car, it's lovely and top marks to Jaguar for offering a manual option. The only thing I don't like\get about this car is just why the hell it's so damned heavy? It's a two door coupe that uses lots of aluminium in it's construction and yet it still weighs as much as a luxo barge???
Happyjap said:
Matt I must now question whether you have suffered a biking accident without a Helmet or your tweed trousers are squeezing your testicles and cutting off blood to your grey matter.....A bad Jaguar does not exist????????????? I say this to you "2001 Jaguar X-Type" an insult to the once proud English name , just a tarted up piece of dead fish, handled like a shopping cart, over heated on the slightest of summer days, what is your definition of a bad car? This car was actually voted in time magazine as on of 50 worst cars ever. So I disagree with you and don't make stupid blanket statements out of blind patriotism!!!
I know English isn't your first language but the first line says "A bad Jaguar F-Type doesn't exist". Even the most patriotic Brit would struggle to deny bad Jaguars exist 
jamieduff1981 said:
elementad said:
I've always had manual cars but went for the flappy paddle v6s and it's awesome. I like that they're offering a manual in the car but I honestly don't feel any less engaged using the paddles.
My feeling with the V8S with flappy paddles was that they were superfluous. They work very well, but it's just a way of burning more petrol. The gearbox in full automatic mode does a perfectly good job without the driver interfering. That should be a positive thing, but I'm not sure it is.I expected to have my wallet twitching when I gave it back after a week and 800 miles, but instead I wanted to carefully think about it.
The V8 had more power than can be used meaning the opportunity to sing the engine out was never there, and tbh I felt like a prat using the paddles. A V6S that could be driven harder and a good manual would be ideal for me.
It's not a family saloon. It shouldn't have a compellingly good drive itself mode. IMO of course.
Obviously that is the one that most of us would gravitate to but it does sound from all the tests that its too much engine, they do sound pretty lairy.
I always like to find out what is the sweet spot in the range, a lady at work bought the normal V6 and I thought it would be a bit anaemic but apparently not, its still 340 bhp.
I hadnt realise that the base V6 is supercharged as well, assumed it was a V6S minus the charger, I did read that its the same unit and they can bother be remapped to 400 bhp, can anyone confirm whether that is true ?
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