RE: Cosworth GT86: Driven
Discussion
Guvernator said:
The bloke who mentioned sticking a V8 in it, it's probably already been done in the US but in the UK, dream on.
There's one with a Lexus V8 in it. Goes pretty well too. I took photos last time I saw it. Will have to dig them out.
ETA
Preseason shakedown last year at Castle Combe. Entered for Britcar IIRC
Edited by LordGrover on Friday 29th May 10:41
GTEYE said:
JB! said:
GTEYE said:
Can't help but think there would be better places to put £36k than this.
Very limited market for modified cars that can often be worth less than the standard car.
Was the point I was trying to makeVery limited market for modified cars that can often be worth less than the standard car.
£36k would buy you a late low miles E92 M3, which I might suggest is a more capable and properly engineered car (compared to a modified GT86), but I'm sure there are many on here who will disagree.
Each to their own, but I am sure the number of people on here who would actually buy this GT86 will be somewhere close to nil!
As for the E90 being more capable, a 280hp GT86 will soon have the E90 in it's rear view mirror, especially on the windy roads of the UK. But but in the 86 you have to downshift to get power.... torque blah blah.
vz-r_dave said:
GTEYE said:
JB! said:
GTEYE said:
Can't help but think there would be better places to put £36k than this.
Very limited market for modified cars that can often be worth less than the standard car.
Was the point I was trying to makeVery limited market for modified cars that can often be worth less than the standard car.
£36k would buy you a late low miles E92 M3, which I might suggest is a more capable and properly engineered car (compared to a modified GT86), but I'm sure there are many on here who will disagree.
Each to their own, but I am sure the number of people on here who would actually buy this GT86 will be somewhere close to nil!
As for the E90 being more capable, a 280hp GT86 will soon have the E90 in it's rear view mirror, especially on the windy roads of the UK. But but in the 86 you have to downshift to get power.... torque blah blah.
As someone who cannot leave cars standard, the BRZ/86 REALLY appeals, but its just too expensive a platform at the moment, I love the compound charged one built in Australia, but even at 16k for a used one there are better cheaper platforms for a go fast toy, my E36 comes in at 144hp/tonne and owes me £1300 on aftermarket suspension, a standard BRZ/86 is only 160/tonne and is 13x the cost...
GTEYE said:
Can't help but think there would be better places to put £36k than this.
Very limited market for modified cars that can often be worth less than the standard car.
That's a valid point. Even if used modified cars were the same price like untouched ones, the investment in modifications would be lost.Very limited market for modified cars that can often be worth less than the standard car.
| cost of used car | cost of mods | Total | Value after 3yrs | deprecation/month | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| modified car | £16000 | £11182 | £27182 | £11500 | £435.61 |
| unmodified car | £16000 | £0 | £16000 | £11500 | £125.00 |
£310 difference per month - and that does not include changes in mpg and insurance and maintenance!
vz-r_dave said:
GTEYE said:
JB! said:
GTEYE said:
Can't help but think there would be better places to put £36k than this.
Very limited market for modified cars that can often be worth less than the standard car.
Was the point I was trying to makeVery limited market for modified cars that can often be worth less than the standard car.
£36k would buy you a late low miles E92 M3, which I might suggest is a more capable and properly engineered car (compared to a modified GT86), but I'm sure there are many on here who will disagree.
Each to their own, but I am sure the number of people on here who would actually buy this GT86 will be somewhere close to nil!
As for the E90 being more capable, a 280hp GT86 will soon have the E90 in it's rear view mirror, especially on the windy roads of the UK. But but in the 86 you have to downshift to get power.... torque blah blah.
I would still wager the BMW would be better engineered than the modified GT86, and is likely to provide a much easier ownership experience.
Calling an M3 a barge is also an interesting angle too. Just saying.
Edited by GTEYE on Friday 29th May 12:50
Bodo said:
GTEYE said:
Can't help but think there would be better places to put £36k than this.
Very limited market for modified cars that can often be worth less than the standard car.
That's a valid point. Even if used modified cars were the same price like untouched ones, the investment in modifications would be lost.Very limited market for modified cars that can often be worth less than the standard car.
| cost of used car | cost of mods | Total | Value after 3yrs | deprecation/month | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| modified car | £16000 | £11182 | £27182 | £11500 | £435.61 |
| unmodified car | £16000 | £0 | £16000 | £11500 | £125.00 |
£310 difference per month - and that does not include changes in mpg and insurance and maintenance!
underphil said:
from what I've seen on the GT86 forums, the heavily modified ones that have been sold have (surprisingly) recouped most of the mod spend upon sale
That would make the GT86 the first car to have aftermarket modifications and installation cost deprecate the same like the vehicle or slower. That would be very good news for the industry and GT86 modders, if that were true. Needless to say that such a bold claim will need some references.How do you know this?
Does the Cosworth supercharger not make a good sound in itself? It doesn’t make any mention of it in the article and if not then the big drop in mpg over a turbo seems fairly pointless unless zero lag is critical. As has already been said in this thread, the GT86 engine needs to sound better, not just have better performance numbers.
Guvernator said:
Read my posts, I don't think the 86 is underpowered, it's just that the engine is crap. The unit in the 86 WISHES it had as much character as the S14 in the E30 M3.
I'd have thought the Subaru flat-four would be much more characterful than any inline four, even the BMW buzzsaw.RoverP6B said:
I'd have thought the Subaru flat-four would be much more characterful than any inline four, even the BMW buzzsaw.
You'd think so, the Subaru Turbo'd four as found in the Impreza's etc is certainly a nice little engine but this one seems to have lost something. The BMW unit is very nice but then it was made in a time where no one really cared about mpg or emissions so was tuned appropriately. I think manufactures chasing mpg\co2 figures these days means most new engines end up feeling rather flat and anaemic.
VeeFource said:
Does the Cosworth supercharger not make a good sound in itself? It doesn’t make any mention of it in the article and if not then the big drop in mpg over a turbo seems fairly pointless unless zero lag is critical. As has already been said in this thread, the GT86 engine needs to sound better, not just have better performance numbers.
A few weeks ago, I was actually heavily tempted by the Sprintex supercharger kit - dat whine 
Thing is, I'd have trouble justifying spending that amount of money when I'm already largely happy with the performance. I am, however, quite tempted by spending a fair chunk less for a new exhaust, air filter and remap - some small power and torque gains to give it just a little more oomph in the mid range, but mainly, just a nicer soundtrack to enjoy - that'd do me
pigeonskirt said:
I'd hazard a guess that the Cosworth 1.3 kit would change things dramatically. Here's the Fensport remap with a few other goodies....
http://youtu.be/939Grdvphaw
Yeah, i think that stage 1.3 makes a big difference and it is great value for money. I believe that engine is more rev happy, has better mid-range torque and high end hp. It should be far more easier to drive fast and it sounds much better. Actually when you think about it, that fensport GT86 is as fast in straight line as ecoboost mustang. Not bad....http://youtu.be/939Grdvphaw
Maybe it's just me, but i don't love standard engines that much anymore. They are usually little plain and lame (they can still be a very powerful) because of the mpg/co2. Slightly modded engines offers better response and i like that.
Edited by LasseV on Friday 29th May 15:52
I'm sorry but 7.6 seconds to 60mph in a car that costs over £30,000 is rubbish.
A Chrysler Crossfire NEW did 6.5 seconds and costs over £3,000 less, now you can buy one for under £6,000 which to me seems like a good deal.
Why does anyone buy new "performance" cars? And I use the word "perfomance" as loosely as a potato sack on a super model .
A Chrysler Crossfire NEW did 6.5 seconds and costs over £3,000 less, now you can buy one for under £6,000 which to me seems like a good deal.
Why does anyone buy new "performance" cars? And I use the word "perfomance" as loosely as a potato sack on a super model .
Malachimon said:
I'm sorry but 7.6 seconds to 60mph in a car that costs over £30,000 is rubbish.
A Chrysler Crossfire NEW did 6.5 seconds and costs over £3,000 less, now you can buy one for under £6,000 which to me seems like a good deal.
Why does anyone buy new "performance" cars? And I use the word "perfomance" as loosely as a potato sack on a super model .
That's the figure for the standard car.A Chrysler Crossfire NEW did 6.5 seconds and costs over £3,000 less, now you can buy one for under £6,000 which to me seems like a good deal.
Why does anyone buy new "performance" cars? And I use the word "perfomance" as loosely as a potato sack on a super model .
Malachimon said:
I'm sorry but 7.6 seconds to 60mph in a car that costs over £30,000 is rubbish.
A Chrysler Crossfire NEW did 6.5 seconds and costs over £3,000 less, now you can buy one for under £6,000 which to me seems like a good deal.
Why does anyone buy new "performance" cars? And I use the word "perfomance" as loosely as a potato sack on a super model .
Have you read any of the topics discussing this? A Chrysler Crossfire NEW did 6.5 seconds and costs over £3,000 less, now you can buy one for under £6,000 which to me seems like a good deal.
Why does anyone buy new "performance" cars? And I use the word "perfomance" as loosely as a potato sack on a super model .
Edited by LordGrover on Friday 29th May 22:50
Supercharged RWD coupe article - Comments all about MPG and residuals. Shame on you people, shame on you!
As an owner of a supercharged 4 pot RWD Jap car I approve and from the article it sounds just like my MX5 to drive. Mine feels like a rev happy big cc straight 6 with all the torque. It still feels like an MX5 but is perhaps best described as an MX5+. I'd love to have a go in one of these Bosworth GT86/BRZs to compare.
As an owner of a supercharged 4 pot RWD Jap car I approve and from the article it sounds just like my MX5 to drive. Mine feels like a rev happy big cc straight 6 with all the torque. It still feels like an MX5 but is perhaps best described as an MX5+. I'd love to have a go in one of these Bosworth GT86/BRZs to compare.
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