RE: Cosworth GT86: Driven
Discussion
SmilerFTM said:
BBR'S MX-5 stage 2 turbo gets you more power, in a car that weighs less and costs less.
A relevant point. Certainly another fun car to consider.As to those suggesting used M5's etc... really? In what way is a huge fat expensive to run saloon in any way comparable to a nimble fun little sports car? You may as well throw in V12 barges while you are at it
I don't get you guys.
If I were in the UK and in the market for a new-ish car for that sort of money, I'd get the 86 and get a reputable company to put a V8 or a Supra engine in it. You guys have that option, luckers!
I think I'd go for a turbocharged 1UZ, might change the character quite a bit, but NA is so expensive. Money no object, that 5.8l nascar V8 from the other post would be awesome!
If I were in the UK and in the market for a new-ish car for that sort of money, I'd get the 86 and get a reputable company to put a V8 or a Supra engine in it. You guys have that option, luckers!
I think I'd go for a turbocharged 1UZ, might change the character quite a bit, but NA is so expensive. Money no object, that 5.8l nascar V8 from the other post would be awesome!
Guvernator said:
RoverP6B said:
I just don't understand why everyone thinks the '86 is underpowered. It's pretty light and has 200bhp. It's almost identical in that respect to the E30 M3, and we don't hear people moaning about THAT lacking power...
Read my posts, I don't think the 86 is underpowered, it's just that the engine is crap. The unit in the 86 WISHES it had as much character as the S14 in the E30 M3.http://youtu.be/939Grdvphaw
Ruskie said:
I honestly don't get this car and the appeal. £19k (£15k + conversion) gets you a nice lotus or E90 M3. Like for like a 370z is a way more attractive package.
Those are quite different cars. The appeal is the lightnes of the package, but with FR layout. An M3 or 370Z is quite a bit heavier, less wieldy/playful.The Elise has a weight advantage, but again is a more serious car.
Zyp said:
You bloody well can ignore an M135i!
No you can't - I'm a potential customer and on balance I'll probably go with a M135i (with LSD and exhaust). Much as I like the Toyota package there is no way its going to compete on economy for comparable performance. Even in standard form the Subaru engine is really bad on mpg.jamespink said:
Conscript said:
jonah35 said:
£15k used plus £4k so £19k all in.
Boxster s
Cayman s
M5
M6
Elise
The list is endless and a Toyota with 260bhp would be down the list
In what way are the M5 and M6 suitable alternatives?Boxster s
Cayman s
M5
M6
Elise
The list is endless and a Toyota with 260bhp would be down the list
If you value power, the badge on the bonnet and interior plastics over all, its an alternative.
If you don't, and want a simple, light, modestly powerful and fun car to enjoy, then massively powerful German autobahn stormers aren't realy going to fulfill the brief.
Dont get me wrong, I'm sure the M5/6 are fantastic cars, but I cant see them being the sort of cars I'd want to jump in for a Sunday morning blast around the local B roads, where I cant get anywhere near the limit of the car.
Zyp said:
You bloody well can ignore an M135i!
No you can't - I'm a potential customer and on balance I'll probably go with a M135i (with LSD and exhaust). Much as I like the Toyota package there is no way its going to compete on economy for comparable performance. Even in standard form the Subaru engine is really bad on mpg.pigeonskirt said:
I'd hazard a guess that the Cosworth 1.3 kit would change things dramatically. Here's the Fensport remap with a few other goodies....
http://youtu.be/939Grdvphaw
I have similar from Fensport. Adrian did his remap with launch control, flat shift and downshift blip plus cosworth panel filter and AVO cat back exhaust. I also have stiffer ARBs - I did have the Tein springs but went back to stock as found them too crashy/harsh for my liking.http://youtu.be/939Grdvphaw
Maybe the cat-back only system still stifles it, but the difference is not immense. It's a little faster and more responsive but hardly jaw-dropping.
That being said, I still love the thing. It's plenty fast enough for where I choose to drive for pleasure and my driving style. I can't think of an occasion in over two and a half years I've had it where I've thought 'if only I still had my TVR or 350Z, I could make that overtake'.
Neilto said:
No you can't - I'm a potential customer and on balance I'll probably go with a M135i (with LSD and exhaust). Much as I like the Toyota package there is no way its going to compete on economy for comparable performance. Even in standard form the Subaru engine is really bad on mpg.
Is it?
I average 34-35MPG. Obviously not outstanding, but wouldn't have defined it as "really bad".
Better than my MK3 MX5 which would average about about 32MPG from the same displacement with less power.
Would personally get the HKS supercharger myself, and I think the 1.3 upgrade is quite expensive for what it is. A decent exhaust and Tomei header would set you back about £1500-1600 tops and add another £400 for a tune and you would be getting more performance than the cosworth package.
Neilto said:
No you can't - I'm a potential customer and on balance I'll probably go with a M135i (with LSD and exhaust). Much as I like the Toyota package there is no way its going to compete on economy for comparable performance. Even in standard form the Subaru engine is really bad on mpg.
Claimed figures and real world mpg are always different, however I've been getting a steady 26-27 mpg in mine and 90% of my commuting is through London so stop start traffic all over, and all other times I don't exactly drive eco. For contrast the (new) 1.5 diesel mini was getting 34-37mpg, driven slightly more sedately.Edited by K14A on Friday 29th May 09:06
Conscript said:
Neilto said:
No you can't - I'm a potential customer and on balance I'll probably go with a M135i (with LSD and exhaust). Much as I like the Toyota package there is no way its going to compete on economy for comparable performance. Even in standard form the Subaru engine is really bad on mpg.
Is it?
I average 34-35MPG. Obviously not outstanding, but wouldn't have defined it as "really bad".
Better than my MK3 MX5 which would average about about 32MPG from the same displacement with less power.
GTEYE said:
Can't help but think there would be better places to put £36k than this.
Very limited market for modified cars that can often be worth less than the standard car.
I disagree, I think the timing of all this is quite masterful and if any model could benefit from this treatment it's this 'supposedly underpowered but otherwise rather good' Japanese coupe. The earliest cars are just running out of warranty so buy an early one, Cosworth it and detail it and you can probably convince folk that it's a practically new car if you wanted to... it's not as if people have been wading through GT86s since their release. Very limited market for modified cars that can often be worth less than the standard car.
I don't particularly care about the car, I don't think it's for me but I want Cosworth to succeed as we must surely be breeding a generation of kids who have never heard of this legendary and historic name- and there are plenty of other cars which could also benefit from a Cosworth work-over should this approach prove profitable
JB! said:
GTEYE said:
Can't help but think there would be better places to put £36k than this.
Very limited market for modified cars that can often be worth less than the standard car.
Was the point I was trying to makeVery limited market for modified cars that can often be worth less than the standard car.
£36k would buy you a late low miles E92 M3, which I might suggest is a more capable and properly engineered car (compared to a modified GT86), but I'm sure there are many on here who will disagree.
Each to their own, but I am sure the number of people on here who would actually buy this GT86 will be somewhere close to nil!
The modding scene isn't really mature enough in this country to be honest. Modding is way to expensive here as we get ripped off on parts prices. Secondly our insurance isn't really geared up for it. Modding is even looked down upon in many circles as something that teenagers like doing to mess about with their cars.
It's easy to see why this car has done much better in the US and Japan where modding is seen in a totally different light. It's almost expected that you mod your car in some way and the whole scene is built around that. I remember reading statements from Toyota about finishing this car yourself and tuning it to your requirements but that's not going to happen here.
The bloke who mentioned sticking a V8 in it, it's probably already been done in the US but in the UK, dream on.
It's easy to see why this car has done much better in the US and Japan where modding is seen in a totally different light. It's almost expected that you mod your car in some way and the whole scene is built around that. I remember reading statements from Toyota about finishing this car yourself and tuning it to your requirements but that's not going to happen here.
The bloke who mentioned sticking a V8 in it, it's probably already been done in the US but in the UK, dream on.
GTEYE said:
JB! said:
GTEYE said:
Can't help but think there would be better places to put £36k than this.
Very limited market for modified cars that can often be worth less than the standard car.
Was the point I was trying to makeVery limited market for modified cars that can often be worth less than the standard car.
£36k would buy you a late low miles E92 M3, which I might suggest is a more capable and properly engineered car (compared to a modified GT86), but I'm sure there are many on here who will disagree.
Each to their own, but I am sure the number of people on here who would actually buy this GT86 will be somewhere close to nil!
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