RE: Bristol is back!

Tuesday 2nd June 2015

Bristol is back!

History repeats as Bristol's new owners confirm BMW power for 'Project Pinnacle'



The first Bristol to be produced since the company was revived 2011 will be powered by a BMW engine, this confirmation from the new management proving they at least know their history. The new car, known only as Project Pinnacle, will go on sale near the end of the year and will be a very low volume, halo car designed to reintroduce the brand before bringing slightly more accessible models.


The new owners Kamkorp were very tight-lipped on details when PistonHeads spoke to one of the directors, Sheban Siddiqi. But he did hint that this BMW engine is a full-blooded powerplant rather a smaller unit mated to a hybrid drivetrain, which is how the project was initially described.

"The future of Bristol is away from traditional powerplants to range-extended engines. However, this 70th anniversary car is different from long term projects," he told us. "This is something very special, there's not going to be 100s on the roads. It's a celebratory model."

We say they know their history because, as Bristol buffs know, the original cars built after the Second World War were pretty much rebadged BMWs after the owners travelled to Munich to buy the rights to BMW models and the 328 engine. That was a six-cylinder 2.0-litre and, given confirmation it won't be a hybrid with a three-cylinder petrol motor like the BMW i8, it would be nice if this is a six-cylinder at least.


Bristol has never really entered the modern age - the Fighter from 2004 wasn't a success and the company had gone into bankruptcy before Kamkorp bought it. You'd be brave to take a punt on this incarnation working but Kamkorp has fulfilled its automotive promises so far. It also owns Frazer Nash, which is another name from Bristol's past - Frazer Nash was the car company that Bristol Cars parent company Bristol Aeroplane Company bought when it wanted to get into the automotive business back in 1945.

Frazer Nash also owns London cab maker Metrocab, which against all odds has successfully put its gawky-looking, range-extended battery-powered taxi on London's streets on a trial basis and last week announced full-scale production. That car is being made in Coventry by contract maker Multimatic, which also builds low-volume cars for Aston Martin such as the Lagonda Taraf saloon. Siddiqi wouldn't commit to saying they would build Project Pinnacle but said it was an option - a highly likely one, you'd have to say.

There's even a new Bristol showroom coming, somewhat bizarrely being built opposite the aspic-preserved dealer in Kensington said to be staying complete with its basement shrine to Bristol of old, as preserved by curmudgeonly former owner Tony Crook. A gleaming new Bristol roaming the streets would be a lovely thing, but could the financials ever be made to work?

[Sources: Autocar, Bristol Cars]

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Fishtigua

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9,786 posts

195 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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Wonder if they will use the same V8 Beemer engine Morgan are fitting?

loudlashadjuster

5,118 posts

184 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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I'm only 42 but I'm sure I've read about half a dozen of these 'Bristol revived!' stories over the years.

Wish them well etc.

(see also Jensen)

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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Sheban Siddiqi said:
The future of Bristol is away from traditional powerplants to range-extended engines.
Right up to the point they found out how much it costs to do a "hybrid"........ ;-)

AER

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270 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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Max_Torque said:
Sheban Siddiqi said:
The future of Bristol is away from traditional powerplants to range-extended engines.
Right up to the point they found out how much it costs to do a "hybrid"........ ;-)
Don't you do range extended engines by just increasing the size of the fuel tank...?

irish boy

3,535 posts

236 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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Laugh all you want, but I would drive a Blenheim……...

hairyben

8,516 posts

183 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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I've voiced in the past that small builders like bristol could have a lot to gain by being in partnership with someone like BMW, something thats essentially a platform shared coachbuilt 5 series could open up easy global sales/service, but I guess that puts them in the territory of either being seen as a mere kitcar maker or tuner like khan etc. and of course you'd have at least a billion nobs going "Y U buy 540i in drag for twice the price lol"

ChavMeister

23 posts

107 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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Oh you dancer! I miss my old Fighter, that was a weird balls-out monster! Tried to kill me a few times, but it was worth every pair of muddied French knickers!

J4CKO

41,526 posts

200 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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I wonder if the same old "being worthy" thing will work these days, I would imagine 90 percent of the expensive car customers in London are no longer "chaps" in Brogues with the right ties (both socially and round their necks).

Sometimes I wonder with Bristols whether there is an element of emperors new clothes, as generally they are pretty ungainly to look at and are fitted with a Yank V8, I suspect any modern buyers will be trying to affect an air of olde worlde, monied aristocracy as opposed to actually being that.

redroadster

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232 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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Wish them luck seems there is no shortage of wealthy people in the world who will buy at high end prices and London is the place to sell.

ChemicalChaos

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160 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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ChavMeister said:
Oh you dancer! I miss my old Fighter, that was a weird balls-out monster! Tried to kill me a few times, but it was worth every pair of muddied French knickers!
What were they actually like to live with? Am i right in thinking it was essentially a Viper in an english suit?

Dr Jekyll

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261 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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loudlashadjuster said:
I'm only 42 but I'm sure I've read about half a dozen of these 'Bristol revived!' stories over the years.

Wish them well etc.

(see also Jensen)
No real comparison with Jensen. Bristol only went under in 2011 and were bought almost immediately. Technically they never ceased to exist just stopped making new cars.

NomduJour

19,095 posts

259 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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ChemicalChaos said:
Am i right in thinking it was essentially a Viper in an english suit?
Not really. There are a couple of owners on here.

DonkeyApple

55,241 posts

169 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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J4CKO said:
I wonder if the same old "being worthy" thing will work these days, I would imagine 90 percent of the expensive car customers in London are no longer "chaps" in Brogues with the right ties (both socially and round their necks).

Sometimes I wonder with Bristols whether there is an element of emperors new clothes, as generally they are pretty ungainly to look at and are fitted with a Yank V8, I suspect any modern buyers will be trying to affect an air of olde worlde, monied aristocracy as opposed to actually being that.
Being white was the primary hurdle. Unlikely to sell any high end product from a London showroom sticking to that mantra today. Thank God. As Tony eventually found out and got sent packing. Interesting cars for ghastly people sold by a truly ghastly man. biggrin

LaurasOtherHalf

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196 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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More of a morgan chap myself, but good luck to 'em.

ChemicalChaos

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160 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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DonkeyApple said:
Being white was the primary hurdle. Unlikely to sell any high end product from a London showroom sticking to that mantra today. Thank God. As Tony eventually found out and got sent packing. Interesting cars for ghastly people sold by a truly ghastly man. biggrin
To be honest, I'd rather have a Bristol than a camo-wrapped Bentley, velour-wrapped 599, gold-plated Rolls Royce, or any of the other chav chariots of choice for those oveburdened with money and underburdened with taste

DonkeyApple

55,241 posts

169 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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ChemicalChaos said:
DonkeyApple said:
Being white was the primary hurdle. Unlikely to sell any high end product from a London showroom sticking to that mantra today. Thank God. As Tony eventually found out and got sent packing. Interesting cars for ghastly people sold by a truly ghastly man. biggrin
To be honest, I'd rather have a Bristol than a camo-wrapped Bentley, velour-wrapped 599, gold-plated Rolls Royce, or any of the other chav chariots of choice for those oveburdened with money and underburdened with taste
Indeed. I've often been tempted by a 411. I've nothing against the car. I knew Crook and found him a deeply unpallatable man. And over the years I've had the displeasure of finding myself seated at a dinner next vile old duffers who bought his cars strictly because of the not for wogs policy.

tog

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228 months

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DonkeyApple said:
Indeed. I've often been tempted by a 411. I've nothing against the car. I knew Crook and found him a deeply unpallatable man. And over the years I've had the displeasure of finding myself seated at a dinner next vile old duffers who bought his cars strictly because of the not for wogs policy.
Luckily the Bristol purchasers you describe are not among the many Bristol owners I know.

DonkeyApple

55,241 posts

169 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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tog said:
Luckily the Bristol purchasers you describe are not among the many Bristol owners I know.
Luckily, most are dead or at best, dribbling in a wingback.

NomduJour

19,095 posts

259 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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Some licence involved I think. Certainly employed a black guy at High Street Kensington.

NomduJour

19,095 posts

259 months

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Anyway, I'm off to dribble in my wing back.