RE: BMW M4: PH Fleet
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0836whimper said:
981C said:
The sound is not 'fake', it's simply real-time sampled engine bay noise played through the speakers.
Righto...Let's face it, it's fake.
Whether you like the sound is another debate...
0836whimper said:
981C said:
The sound is not 'fake', it's simply real-time sampled engine bay noise played through the speakers.
Righto...Let's face it, it's fake.
This solution is much closer in spirit to those exhaust valves that open after a certain RPM is passed (Maserati?), just different in its execution.
Not that I approve. I still think it's lame. It isn't fake though.
There's plenty of pre-registered sitting unsold at dealers. It's not special enough to warrant the price tag anymore.
M cars have always had an engine and character to them that was a significant step up from the standard models. The M3/4 no longer offers this.
BMW didn't even need to turbo charge the M cars- they achieve their emissions targets easily across the rest of the range and plenty of people are happy to forgo the fuel consumption for the fizz of a naturally aspirated engine. If you want fuel consumption buy a 435d.
Having been a BMW fan/stalwart for years and owned many of their cars, the current crop of cars are of little interest.
M cars have always had an engine and character to them that was a significant step up from the standard models. The M3/4 no longer offers this.
BMW didn't even need to turbo charge the M cars- they achieve their emissions targets easily across the rest of the range and plenty of people are happy to forgo the fuel consumption for the fizz of a naturally aspirated engine. If you want fuel consumption buy a 435d.
Having been a BMW fan/stalwart for years and owned many of their cars, the current crop of cars are of little interest.
J4CKO said:
I read that these sound a bit polite, I had one trying to goad me into a race the other day and it sounded anything but polite, it sounded pretty epic and I passed up the kind offer of my arse on a plate.
I saw one in our town the other day, and it sounded brilliant even when bimbling around a 30 zone. Crackles on the overrun and pops on upshifts.I still admire the mint E46 M3 of a near neighbour more though. That is still such an epic looking and sounding machine.
I've not really heard one from the outside but from the inside it seems really loud at low revs, obtrusively so and then seems to quieten down as you go up the rev range which sounds really weird as it's the opposite of what you expect.
Plus when you put your foot down there seems to be a half a second delay and then a huge wallop of torque which then tails off as you go up the rev range.
It's almost as if it's been designed to give maximum appeal at low revs\low speeds which is fine if you want to use it to cruise around and impress people but not really what an M car should be about IMO.
I loved the looks so was really looking forward to the drive but my first impressions of actually driving it just didn't seem to feel right and left me underwhelmed. Perhaps I need to have a longer drive but it doesn't seem to have the magic of the previous cars.
Plus when you put your foot down there seems to be a half a second delay and then a huge wallop of torque which then tails off as you go up the rev range.
It's almost as if it's been designed to give maximum appeal at low revs\low speeds which is fine if you want to use it to cruise around and impress people but not really what an M car should be about IMO.
I loved the looks so was really looking forward to the drive but my first impressions of actually driving it just didn't seem to feel right and left me underwhelmed. Perhaps I need to have a longer drive but it doesn't seem to have the magic of the previous cars.
rs4al said:
The problem with the exterior sound of the M4, is the exhaust flaps, they seem to me to be very dynamic and open and close at all sorts of throttle settings. In efficient mode they are shut and it's very quiet outside.
But it is a loud exhaust for a standard exhaust, multi storey car parks are great fun.
What Bmw should of done is provide a flaps open/closed button and a way of turning the active sound off. I'm still loving it as its manual but will be seeking an aftermarket solution to the exhaust valves.
You can buy that very thing after market for relatively little outlay, should have been standard but it's an easy fix.But it is a loud exhaust for a standard exhaust, multi storey car parks are great fun.
What Bmw should of done is provide a flaps open/closed button and a way of turning the active sound off. I'm still loving it as its manual but will be seeking an aftermarket solution to the exhaust valves.
The car doesn't sound great on cold start ups, google the vids on this and see how it sounds when warm.
M3 V8 does indeed sound great, but fact is you can't buy this new - so if you want the new car, that hasn't been messed with, that has all the new tech then this isn't an option.
Only done ~250 run in miles on mine so far and am certainly very very happy with it, look forward to getting it run in, first service done and starting to play more with the top end settings.
No idea about these turbo lag / non-responsive comments, certainly feels responsive to me.
One thing I will admit is that it's a big car, parked next to my mates E36 and it looks huge. There are other cars available if you don't want something this size however, maybe get a Boxster / Cayman if that's your thing.
The looks of these have grown on me a fair bit and I think they look great when you see them out on the road and the performance is epic when compared to the previous generation but the size and weight is still on the high side for me so I am also looking forward to seeing how the M2 turns out.
Just like the old model almost everyone specs the DCT gearbox and there certainly doesn't seem much love for a manual gearbox anymore...all the car enthusiasts on here seem to like the idea of a manual gearbox yet all the punters who actually buy the cars don't.
Just like the old model almost everyone specs the DCT gearbox and there certainly doesn't seem much love for a manual gearbox anymore...all the car enthusiasts on here seem to like the idea of a manual gearbox yet all the punters who actually buy the cars don't.
This is one of my favorite cars right now. Looks wise i think it's gorgeous. The Austin Yellow is a bit odd but something different i suppose. Either the light blue or the orange are the ones to go for IMO.
Price wise it's typical BMW. Keep light on the options and it doesn't seem to work out too bad. Metallic paint, DCT gearbox and sat nav (sure it's standard anyway) would be all i would spec.
The new C63 has the superior engine hands down. AMG seem to be able to make any of their cars sound fantastic, whether it be N/A or FI. However, the new C Class looks dreadful even in standard form! Front looks nice but the rear is appalling.
Price wise it's typical BMW. Keep light on the options and it doesn't seem to work out too bad. Metallic paint, DCT gearbox and sat nav (sure it's standard anyway) would be all i would spec.
The new C63 has the superior engine hands down. AMG seem to be able to make any of their cars sound fantastic, whether it be N/A or FI. However, the new C Class looks dreadful even in standard form! Front looks nice but the rear is appalling.
Mermaid said:
nickfrog said:
People will always find a good reason not to like a car.
Absolutely, but I suppose M fans have huge expectations of the "M3". And this does not appear to be thrill as much - noise, size, traction,character although power is plentiful.I think the peak of the M3 engines was the E92 engine. For me it trumps the 6 cylinder E46 derivative. The noise is wonderful.
daveco said:
I think the peak of the M3 engines was the E92 engine. For me it trumps the 6 cylinder E46 derivative. The noise is wonderful.
It was like a race engine for the road, 8250rpm from a V8 in a 3 series! This and the V10 found in the M5\M6 where the peak of BMW Motorsport engine prowess IMO. Unfortunately both engines were largely misunderstood by the general public who mostly seem to think that an M-car should be effortlessly quick rather than rewardingly so.
There were even complaints on here that they lacked torque at low revs and you had to (god forbid) drop down a gear or two or rev them to get them to go fast so we've ended up with remapped 335i engine instead.
I'm sure the new ones will go down a treat with people who actually don't like driving but I lament the loss of the old engine, we'll probably never see it's like again.
daveco said:
A neighbour has one and it looks absolutely stunning in black. However when he gave it beans I was immensely disappointed with the soundtrack. It sounds more muted than a 335 at full chat!
I think the peak of the M3 engines was the E92 engine. For me it trumps the 6 cylinder E46 derivative. The noise is wonderful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWsiB3Ug2JwI think the peak of the M3 engines was the E92 engine. For me it trumps the 6 cylinder E46 derivative. The noise is wonderful.
Patrick Bateman said:
My petrol lawnmower sounds better than that! the noise is amplified in doors a lot more I would imagine though, from videos I have seen they don't sound too bad when they mod them and keep the exhaust flaps open all the time. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff