Sensible cycling/driving advice please
Discussion
First things first, this not a cyclist vs driver thread although it will probably turn into one ?
After watching the cereal video it came to light that the person who posted it is in fact is a cycling tutor. After watching his YT channel I personally have come to the conclusion I would not want him teaching any child of mine.
THIS IS NOT A NAME AND SHAME so please don't post his name up or where he works.
After watching the following clip the sound advice comes in the comment section of the clip, which is not me.
http://youtu.be/HtHrRW1dUTE
As this guy is a professional it would be interesting to see other people's views on his other videos where he likes to name and shame drivers.
No doubt I will be accused as a being cyclist hater, but I would like to think it could work as a positive for cyclists and drivers.
Of course the bad driving in some of the videos are open to criticism.
After watching the cereal video it came to light that the person who posted it is in fact is a cycling tutor. After watching his YT channel I personally have come to the conclusion I would not want him teaching any child of mine.
THIS IS NOT A NAME AND SHAME so please don't post his name up or where he works.
After watching the following clip the sound advice comes in the comment section of the clip, which is not me.
http://youtu.be/HtHrRW1dUTE
As this guy is a professional it would be interesting to see other people's views on his other videos where he likes to name and shame drivers.
No doubt I will be accused as a being cyclist hater, but I would like to think it could work as a positive for cyclists and drivers.
Of course the bad driving in some of the videos are open to criticism.
No one prepared to give it a go ?
How about this one, assuming he is teaching the girl in front, would you say he is doing a good job ?
http://youtu.be/eXobnnCOUcQ
It could just be a random cyclist which he is following.
How about this one, assuming he is teaching the girl in front, would you say he is doing a good job ?
http://youtu.be/eXobnnCOUcQ
It could just be a random cyclist which he is following.
Both of them I would say the cyclist is in the right and other road users in the wrong, however the first one with the lorry passing at a pinch point I would have taken a more defensive position to not allow the lorry past in the first point.
The second video he was right to force the car from completing its overtake, no consideration for the cyclists had been considered by the car user. Also that red people carrier was a fool.
The problem is all road users have bad minorities, I'm a cyclist and today 2 cyclists could have got a piece of my mind but I chose not too, one wearing big headphones just entered the road without checking, fortunately I anticipated the move but made sure I was close enough for him to realise he's just entered a road. And the second whilst I was overtaking (giving nearly a full lanes width) he saw a pot hole and without checking over his shoulder pulled straight into me fortunately I applied the brakes yet he was oblivious to his actions.
In the car today no car drivers have been a problem but other days of the week it will be different.
And as for motorcyclists for the last 2 miles of my journey a bike has been sat a rizla paper off my bumper, in a blind spot half the time and revving the tits off his race cans. If I needed to brake suddenly (which I nearly had too when a pedestrian nearly run out in the road) he would have been straight into the back of my car. It's made me even more angry the fact it appears to be a new neighbour across the road. Half of me wanted to walk over and advise him of his bad road etiquette but I doubt it would be any use.
So as you can see all road users are a problem.
The second video he was right to force the car from completing its overtake, no consideration for the cyclists had been considered by the car user. Also that red people carrier was a fool.
The problem is all road users have bad minorities, I'm a cyclist and today 2 cyclists could have got a piece of my mind but I chose not too, one wearing big headphones just entered the road without checking, fortunately I anticipated the move but made sure I was close enough for him to realise he's just entered a road. And the second whilst I was overtaking (giving nearly a full lanes width) he saw a pot hole and without checking over his shoulder pulled straight into me fortunately I applied the brakes yet he was oblivious to his actions.
In the car today no car drivers have been a problem but other days of the week it will be different.
And as for motorcyclists for the last 2 miles of my journey a bike has been sat a rizla paper off my bumper, in a blind spot half the time and revving the tits off his race cans. If I needed to brake suddenly (which I nearly had too when a pedestrian nearly run out in the road) he would have been straight into the back of my car. It's made me even more angry the fact it appears to be a new neighbour across the road. Half of me wanted to walk over and advise him of his bad road etiquette but I doubt it would be any use.
So as you can see all road users are a problem.
ecsrobin said:
Both of them I would say the cyclist is in the right and other road users in the wrong, however the first one with the lorry passing at a pinch point I would have taken a more defensive position to not allow the lorry past in the first point.
The second video he was right to force the car from completing its overtake, no consideration for the cyclists had been considered by the car user. Also that red people carrier was a fool.
Thanks for your reply, I have snipped part of your reply to concentrate on the videos in question. I do agree all road users can cause problems.The second video he was right to force the car from completing its overtake, no consideration for the cyclists had been considered by the car user. Also that red people carrier was a fool.
Video #1, I agree the lorry shouldn't have passed where he did and was in the wrong. I also agree the cyclist should had a more defensive position. As suggested in YT comments section, a life saver well before the pinch followed by a hand signal to make the lorry aware. I also don't agree he should have got in front of the lorry when he caught up with the lorry at the traffic lights. (It's looking for trouble where he won't win under the wheels of a lorry)
Video #2, I agree with the roundabout section although I do feel he pulled out in a bit of a hurry to catch the girl (not a major problem) the problem I have is the girl attempting to overtake the red people carrier. Unfortunately whether the people carrier is in the right or wrong the obstacle was there for the cyclist. The chances are that the driver was looking in the opposite direction waiting to be let in. If he was tutoring her ? He should have told her to stop IMO.
ecsrobin said:
I don't think there is a right or wrong for the people carrier, personally I would have just slowed it down slightly but it's open to interpretation.
Out of curiosity are you a cyclist?
Yes I do cycle, mainly off road due to too many idiots driving around. Also a motorcyclist and driver. Only 30 years of driving experience.Out of curiosity are you a cyclist?
I drive and cycle (both on and offroad).
It would improve everyones driving if they spent a morning driving a Caterham and the afternoon cycling a bike.
A Caterham would make drivers realise they feel vulnerable even in a car and this is amplified on a bike - both heighten your senses.
Car drivers generally (not all PH'ers) don't pay enough attention and don't give cyclists enough space when approaching, passing and stopping.
The state of the UK's roads are bad enough, having to avoid potholes and road debris without a car sitting two foot from your back wheel only to overtake and get a minute up the road before getting stuck in traffic.
This is often worse if your clipped in to your pedals, you have to ride defensively.
The trouble is in a car your journey is slowed, on a bike it's often life threatening.
Of the videos:
Video 1
Cyclist should have positioned to stop the overtake in the first place. I'd have sworn if cut-up like that. Re-passing the stationary truck (note he didn't cause any confrontation) was fine.
Video 2
Driver shouldn't have overtaken on the bend. The red MPV shouldn't have been in the road, but the cyclists should have anticipated that and slowed to go round the back of it.
Plenty of bad drivers and cyclists, plenty of good ones.
Take a little more time and give people a little more room.
It would improve everyones driving if they spent a morning driving a Caterham and the afternoon cycling a bike.
A Caterham would make drivers realise they feel vulnerable even in a car and this is amplified on a bike - both heighten your senses.
Car drivers generally (not all PH'ers) don't pay enough attention and don't give cyclists enough space when approaching, passing and stopping.
The state of the UK's roads are bad enough, having to avoid potholes and road debris without a car sitting two foot from your back wheel only to overtake and get a minute up the road before getting stuck in traffic.
This is often worse if your clipped in to your pedals, you have to ride defensively.
The trouble is in a car your journey is slowed, on a bike it's often life threatening.
Of the videos:
Video 1
Cyclist should have positioned to stop the overtake in the first place. I'd have sworn if cut-up like that. Re-passing the stationary truck (note he didn't cause any confrontation) was fine.
Video 2
Driver shouldn't have overtaken on the bend. The red MPV shouldn't have been in the road, but the cyclists should have anticipated that and slowed to go round the back of it.
Plenty of bad drivers and cyclists, plenty of good ones.
Take a little more time and give people a little more room.
g7jhp said:
I drive and cycle (both on and offroad).
It would improve everyones driving if they spent a morning driving a Caterham and the afternoon cycling a bike.
A Caterham would make drivers realise they feel vulnerable even in a car and this is amplified on a bike - both heighten your senses.
Car drivers generally (not all PH'ers) don't pay enough attention and don't give cyclists enough space when approaching, passing and stopping.
The state of the UK's roads are bad enough, having to avoid potholes and road debris without a car sitting two foot from your back wheel only to overtake and get a minute up the road before getting stuck in traffic.
This is often worse if your clipped in to your pedals, you have to ride defensively.
The trouble is in a car your journey is slowed, on a bike it's often life threatening.
Of the videos:
Video 1
Cyclist should have positioned to stop the overtake in the first place. I'd have sworn if cut-up like that. Re-passing the stationary truck (note he didn't cause any confrontation) was fine.
Video 2
Driver shouldn't have overtaken on the bend. The red MPV shouldn't have been in the road, but the cyclists should have anticipated that and slowed to go round the back of it.
Plenty of bad drivers and cyclists, plenty of good ones.
Take a little more time and give people a little more room.
Note: we don't know if he had a confrontation with the lorry driver as the video was cut, however he did make a point of showing he caught the lorry up. I'm happy to assume he didn't confront.It would improve everyones driving if they spent a morning driving a Caterham and the afternoon cycling a bike.
A Caterham would make drivers realise they feel vulnerable even in a car and this is amplified on a bike - both heighten your senses.
Car drivers generally (not all PH'ers) don't pay enough attention and don't give cyclists enough space when approaching, passing and stopping.
The state of the UK's roads are bad enough, having to avoid potholes and road debris without a car sitting two foot from your back wheel only to overtake and get a minute up the road before getting stuck in traffic.
This is often worse if your clipped in to your pedals, you have to ride defensively.
The trouble is in a car your journey is slowed, on a bike it's often life threatening.
Of the videos:
Video 1
Cyclist should have positioned to stop the overtake in the first place. I'd have sworn if cut-up like that. Re-passing the stationary truck (note he didn't cause any confrontation) was fine.
Video 2
Driver shouldn't have overtaken on the bend. The red MPV shouldn't have been in the road, but the cyclists should have anticipated that and slowed to go round the back of it.
Plenty of bad drivers and cyclists, plenty of good ones.
Take a little more time and give people a little more room.
Interesting you mention toe clips, I can't get on with them myself and after watching a friend of mine land face first into chalk it put me off using them.
I personally think as cyclists are more vulnerable they/we should pay more attention to what's going on behind. They/we generally travel slower than motor vehicles and shouldn't just rely on hearing them. With more electric cars on the market I get the feeling this will create problems for some cyclists.
Unfortunately from what I see on this forum either cyclists are
s or drivers are s and not many people address the problems in a sensible manner.I also think that if this guy is a cycling instructor he has done it by the book and not life experience. My opinion only due to watching his YT clips. (For the record, I don't see the women eating her cereal in the traffic jam as a major problem, we don't know if she was eating while actually on the move, yes she did move slowly forward but hardly out of control)
I don't see a problem with the following clip either, I can see the flashing lights and site entrance signs, I would expect a cycling instructor to notice them and the silver car.
http://youtu.be/hmb2IPlI5aw
ecsrobin said:
He doesn't mean toe clips, more clipless pedals.
I'm not sure what your trying to prove, I notice any thread relating to cyclist v car you seem to post in but you will always find the vocal people arguing their corner and the normal man just sits back and evaluates.
Clip less pedals or toe clips, the the ones that can restrict you from putting your feet down in a hurry. ( not my personal choice )I'm not sure what your trying to prove, I notice any thread relating to cyclist v car you seem to post in but you will always find the vocal people arguing their corner and the normal man just sits back and evaluates.
As to the point I am trying to prove after being accused of being a cyclist hater on more than one occasion (read my posting history again) cyclists on here jump to the wrong conclusion and defend cyclists like the karma cyclist who never made any rear observation until he turned to tell someone to fack off, then promptly fell off due to poor riding skill.
All road users need to brush up on their skills including cyclists who often come off worse. Nobody addresses why most accidents in London happen at junctions or why it may be women who get crushed by lorrys turning left. It's just the same old drivers fault from the cyclists, cyclists fault from the drivers.
ecsrobin said:
I think your on a one man crusade and you'll never win. You cannot generalise accidents/incidents because unless you are there at the time you don't have the full picture.
Yet we can see when a cycling instructors pupil is trying to overtake a people carrier at a bad time. Would you expect that if your child was being supervised ?One man crusade maybe but for a motoring forum you would expect some sensible discussion as to why and how these accidents happen.
swerni said:
Both motorists
First one did an utterly pointless overtake and the second gobby one was a complete fking retard.
Was it you?
I thought it was you First one did an utterly pointless overtake and the second gobby one was a complete f
king retard.Was it you?
Joking aside, it demonstrates that the motorists didn't have a clue what was going on and probably never will.
I was hoping this thread could be one where a sensible discussion could take place and perhaps ? Drivers and cyclists could learn something.
swerni said:
I swear far more
There will never be a sensible debate on this topic on PH.
It's also worth nothing that most cyclist are motorists as well.
Why not?There will never be a sensible debate on this topic on PH.
It's also worth nothing that most cyclist are motorists as well.
There is nothing wrong with sensible advice, if you want to know what the best car wax is you get plenty of advice.
It just seems a bit stupid this motorist vs cyclist thing.
Ghibli said:
swerni said:
I swear far more
There will never be a sensible debate on this topic on PH.
It's also worth nothing that most cyclist are motorists as well.
Why not?There will never be a sensible debate on this topic on PH.
It's also worth nothing that most cyclist are motorists as well.
There is nothing wrong with sensible advice, if you want to know what the best car wax is you get plenty of advice.
It just seems a bit stupid this motorist vs cyclist thing.
ecsrobin said:
It seems a bit stupid the anti lorry, farming, cyclist, motorbike, pedestrian, BMW, white van man, Audi, rich driver, poor driver in unsafe car you get the point. I've already said it above but you get good and you get bad of all types. Just learn to accept it rather than fight it.
It's a shame really,I guess some PH cyclists and drivers are just the best
Ghibli said:
After watching the following clip the sound advice comes in the comment section of the clip, which is not me.
http://youtu.be/HtHrRW1dUTE
The video was posted up a few days ago and this quiet guy caught my eye after pages in the 'cyclist London thread'http://youtu.be/HtHrRW1dUTE
The camera guy is keen to weave in and out of traffic, but catches up with ( and passes) the type of cyclist we'd mentioned but rarely hear from, someone who holds position about the same distance out from the kerb as the nearside car wheel, and so isn't interested in the game of squeeze past as many cars as possible at the lights, only to be overtaken again later.
You cant tell from this but is he also someone who's unlikely to squeeze up the inside or outside of buses and trucks, instead staying in position in the queue
What do you think of this quiet guy (rather than the camera guy)?
saaby93 said:
Ghibli said:
After watching the following clip the sound advice comes in the comment section of the clip, which is not me.
http://youtu.be/HtHrRW1dUTE
The video was posted up a few days ago and this quiet guy caught my eye after pages in the 'cyclist London thread'http://youtu.be/HtHrRW1dUTE
The camera guy is keen to weave in and out of traffic, but catches up with ( and passes) the type of cyclist we'd mentioned but rarely hear from, someone who holds position about the same distance out from the kerb as the nearside car wheel, and so isn't interested in the game of squeeze past as many cars as possible at the lights, only to be overtaken again later.
You cant tell from this but is he also someone who's unlikely to squeeze up the inside or outside of buses and trucks, instead staying in position in the queue
What do you think of this quiet guy (rather than the camera guy)?
In the video of the tipper reversing into a building site why did the cyclist say it would be on YT? Trucks reverse into entrances all the time. In that case the cyclist was the d
head.
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