What defines a fast car?
Discussion
Nailing a bike and glancing down at the speedo generally made me re-evaluate what I thought was fast. These days to me, a car with anything 350hp and up should be considered fast but I value torque more in cars now. The flexibility to put your foot down in any gear to get past something is more of value to me than how fast it gets from 0 to whatever or top speed. Also handling. Fast in a straight line is all well and good but the fun is in going round corners and a lot of cheaper cars will do that very well, punching above their weight against cars that would leave them on the straight bits.
Troubleatmill said:
Nah... the 0-60 time is slower. Try 3.6 secs. ( for a production road going car that can take some large suitcases on a pan European trip - with aircon, cruise control- and very comfy suspension )
@Swerni.. Yup I should have done.
Might be back in one next year.
I miss it like no other car I have had.
You seem to miss-understand the difference between figures from manufactures/magazines and those in the real world. This was done on cold tyres and with a view of having a clutch/half-shafts for the rest of the year. The car is capable of 2.x sec 0-60 on warm tyres and not giving a monkeys about the drive train.@Swerni.. Yup I should have done.
Might be back in one next year.
I miss it like no other car I have had.
Edited by Troubleatmill on Friday 26th June 23:03
TheAngryDog said:
Some Gump said:
Only read the first 4 posts.
This thread is clealy a PH dick contest gone wrong.
I agree. I didnt ask what cars people had etc, just what they bought the bench mark was.This thread is clealy a PH dick contest gone wrong.
typical ph lol
I think the point has been made already, fast in one car may not seem fast in another.
My 600BHP GT-R will take you to 60 in under 3 seconds and top 200 mph.
My '54 split screen moggy minor might do 70 mph on a good day with wind behind.
I feel much safer at 160 in the GT-R than I do at 60 mph in the moggy.
I put my foot down in the GT-R and the electronics keep the car in a straight line, I put my foot down in the TVR Chimeara I just sold and it wants to kill you... no airbags, no PAS, steering that has a mind of it's own and a RWD V8
My point is fast is really relative to the whole package... not just speed.
jeffw said:
Troubleatmill said:
Nah... the 0-60 time is slower. Try 3.6 secs. ( for a production road going car that can take some large suitcases on a pan European trip - with aircon, cruise control- and very comfy suspension )
@Swerni.. Yup I should have done.
Might be back in one next year.
I miss it like no other car I have had.
You seem to miss-understand the difference between figures from manufactures/magazines and those in the real world. This was done on cold tyres and with a view of having a clutch/half-shafts for the rest of the year. The car is capable of 2.x sec 0-60 on warm tyres and not giving a monkeys about the drive train.@Swerni.. Yup I should have done.
Might be back in one next year.
I miss it like no other car I have had.
Edited by Troubleatmill on Friday 26th June 23:03
I haven't mis-understood what my car did. Tried it out many times.
And you don't need to make any apologies about your car. It is quick.
Pax.
Troubleatmill said:
jeffw said:
Troubleatmill said:
Nah... the 0-60 time is slower. Try 3.6 secs. ( for a production road going car that can take some large suitcases on a pan European trip - with aircon, cruise control- and very comfy suspension )
@Swerni.. Yup I should have done.
Might be back in one next year.
I miss it like no other car I have had.
You seem to miss-understand the difference between figures from manufactures/magazines and those in the real world. This was done on cold tyres and with a view of having a clutch/half-shafts for the rest of the year. The car is capable of 2.x sec 0-60 on warm tyres and not giving a monkeys about the drive train.@Swerni.. Yup I should have done.
Might be back in one next year.
I miss it like no other car I have had.
Edited by Troubleatmill on Friday 26th June 23:03
I haven't mis-understood what my car did. Tried it out many times.
And you don't need to make any apologies about your car. It is quick.
Pax.
BORN2bWILD said:
I tried a V8 R8 on the track last year and was impressed, but think prices are dropping so not a good time to buy.
I bought a 600bhp Nissan GT-R instead 2 months ago, less money than the earlier V8 R8s but as fast as the latest V10 version about to be released (0-60 under 3 secs and over 200mph)... and the GT-R prices are holding up well.
I bought a 600bhp Nissan GT-R instead 2 months ago, less money than the earlier V8 R8s but as fast as the latest V10 version about to be released (0-60 under 3 secs and over 200mph)... and the GT-R prices are holding up well.
BORN2bWILD said:
I have had a few fast cars, Porsche, TVR, Jag XK8, RS Fords etc etc.
I have a SLK55 AMG, lovely V8 and 5.5ltrs, very nice on a sunny day with the roof down.
Now it is a fast car for only 15K, but my other car leaves it standing.
GT-R 600bhp Black Edition in black, 0-60 under 3 seconds and over 200mph.
Looks great, handles superb and is a practical super car drive 365 days a year.
I know of no other car that gives you what you get with the GT-R for under 50K.
I have a SLK55 AMG, lovely V8 and 5.5ltrs, very nice on a sunny day with the roof down.
Now it is a fast car for only 15K, but my other car leaves it standing.
GT-R 600bhp Black Edition in black, 0-60 under 3 seconds and over 200mph.
Looks great, handles superb and is a practical super car drive 365 days a year.
I know of no other car that gives you what you get with the GT-R for under 50K.
BORN2bWILD said:
I thought it was up to £50k... the bentley was £54k?
I have a 600BHP Nissan GT-R, cost less than £40k, over 200mph and 0-60 under 3 seconds, made to handle on the race track so would leave the Bentley, and most any other super cars behind... and it looks good (black edition in black)
Remind us again, in case we didn't get it the first few times you managed to shoehorn it into almost every one of your posts, what car do you have?I have a 600BHP Nissan GT-R, cost less than £40k, over 200mph and 0-60 under 3 seconds, made to handle on the race track so would leave the Bentley, and most any other super cars behind... and it looks good (black edition in black)
chris watton said:
Remind us again, in case we didn't get it the first few times you managed to shoehorn it into almost every one of your posts, what car do you have?
But surely it's relevant to the post and helps make my point.
maybe it's a case of the green eyed monster raising it's ugly head.... be honest
BORN2bWILD said:
But surely it's relevant to the post and helps make my point.
maybe it's a case of the green eyed monster raising it's ugly head.... be honest
You're new here, aren't you?
ETA - I can honestly say that, if I wanted a GTR, I would buy one. I don't, so I won't.
Edited by chris watton on Saturday 27th June 09:01
chris watton said:
From my point of view, someone with no mortgage and no debts and both on a good wage, I cannot help but smile at that.
You're new here, aren't you?
ETA - I can honestly say that, if I wanted a GTR, I would buy one. I don't, so I won't.
You're new here, aren't you?
ETA - I can honestly say that, if I wanted a GTR, I would buy one. I don't, so I won't.
Edited by chris watton on Saturday 27th June 09:01
So what's your problem? this is PH for petrolheads who like fast cars, often topics discuss aspects of owning, buying or driving fast cars and therefor it will often be relevant to refer to the GT-R, just as it seemed relevant to mention the driving experience of my split screen moggy which can not do 70mph.
SidewaysSi said:
I would never buy a GTR as my sole car-it genuinely seems a waste ans no, I really have no green eyes at all. Most people could get such a car if they wanted or had few other commitments but it's one of the last cars I would look to buy.
GT-R is not for everyone, but it is internationally recognised as a lot of car for relative little money when it can piss over Lambos and Ferraris costing 100k+ more.
It is a car that can be used 365 days a year, drives like a Ford Fiesta in slow traffic and a F1 car on the open road or track, nothing I have owned has come close to matching this car for a daily drive with that sort of performance.
But guess you can not please everyone
BORN2bWILD said:
GT-R is not for everyone, but it is internationally recognised as a lot of car for relative little money when it can piss over Lambos and Ferraris costing 100k+ more.
It is a car that can be used 365 days a year, drives like a Ford Fiesta in slow traffic and a F1 car on the open road or track, nothing I have owned has come close to matching this car for a daily drive with that sort of performance.
But guess you can not please everyone
We get it. You love your GTR. They really are awesome vehicles. but not everyone wants one, or is 'green eyed' when they say they don't. It's okay. They want something else
BORN2bWILD said:
SidewaysSi said:
I would never buy a GTR as my sole car-it genuinely seems a waste ans no, I really have no green eyes at all. Most people could get such a car if they wanted or had few other commitments but it's one of the last cars I would look to buy.
GT-R is not for everyone, but it is internationally recognised as a lot of car for relative little money when it can piss over Lambos and Ferraris costing 100k+ more.
It is a car that can be used 365 days a year, drives like a Ford Fiesta in slow traffic and a F1 car on the open road or track, nothing I have owned has come close to matching this car for a daily drive with that sort of performance.
But guess you can not please everyone
Personally I would find it pretty tedious to have a car that weighted nearly 2 tonnes as a sole machine. I admire the GTR but would only have one as part of a fleet (it would be the practical family car) - I would find it too blunt and heavy and ultimately unsatisfying, despite being able to "piss over" Lambos etc.
And I assume you have driven an F1 car?
chris watton said:
Troubleatmill said:
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I have a 600BHP Nissan GT-R, cost less than £40k, over 200mph and 0-60 under 3 seconds, made to handle on the race track so would leave the Bentley, and most any other super cars behind... and it looks good (black edition in black)
Remind us again, in case we didn't get it the first few times you managed to shoehorn it into almost every one of your posts, what car do you have?I have a 600BHP Nissan GT-R, cost less than £40k, over 200mph and 0-60 under 3 seconds, made to handle on the race track so would leave the Bentley, and most any other super cars behind... and it looks good (black edition in black)
SidewaysSi said:
What do you mean "piss over"? I assume you purely get a kick out of being faster than anything else on the road? If that is only what floats your boat then fine but personally being able to hit 100mph in a second must surely get a bit boring? Or is it purely the knowledge that you can? Out of interest, if you see a quick car on the road, do you feel the need to show them who is faster?
Personally I would find it pretty tedious to have a car that weighted nearly 2 tonnes as a sole machine. I admire the GTR but would only have one as part of a fleet (it would be the practical family car) - I would find it too blunt and heavy and ultimately unsatisfying, despite being able to "piss over" Lambos etc.
And I assume you have driven an F1 car?
Personally I would find it pretty tedious to have a car that weighted nearly 2 tonnes as a sole machine. I admire the GTR but would only have one as part of a fleet (it would be the practical family car) - I would find it too blunt and heavy and ultimately unsatisfying, despite being able to "piss over" Lambos etc.
And I assume you have driven an F1 car?
As I said already not everyone wants a GT-R, but it is obvious from some comments on here it is from people who have never even driven one, so how can you knock it?
I have driven lots of fast cars, I decided on the GT-R after trying Audi R8 and Ferrari.. it was the right decision.
Look at all the reports about the car.. I have never seen a negative one.
The pro drivers at Dunsfold rated it as their best car, but you don't have to agree.
By piss over I mean;... it drives better, gear changes 100% better, handles better, gets around the track faster, accelerates faster 0-60, has the best launch control out there on any production car... still holds the record around the Nuremburg Ring as far as I'm aware.
What do you drive?
BORN2bWILD said:
By piss over I mean;... it drives better, gear changes 100% better, handles better, gets around the track faster, accelerates faster 0-60, has the best launch control out there on any production car... still holds the record around the Nuremburg Ring as far as I'm aware.
Not knocking GTRs, they're not my cup of tea but I'm sure they're very capable. That said, I'm not convinced they would drive better, or indeed get round a track faster than numerous much lighter cars.As a day to day all round road car they make a lot of sense but as a track or weekend car, I'd rather have something lighter. To be fair I've not driven a GT-R but are they all that involving compared to say an Atom or Caterham? I just remember that famous video of that A-hole driving round a track bullying people out of his way with one hand on the wheel while the gadgets kept him on the tarmac.
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