RE: Lotus 3-Eleven - official!
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t for posting's sake?Isn't it now a legal requirement in the US and EU for all road cars to have traction control which can only be disabled if you type "I'm a crazy irresponsible lunatic" on the TC button in Morse code?
My first thought is that this is overpriced and overpowered for a mere track toy. Great fun, I'm sure, but probably terrifying to most drivers - and that I'd put a solid roof on it for some basic weather-proofing.
In theory, could a racing version of this be made to go after the junior end of GT grids at Le Mans, N24 etc?
My first thought is that this is overpriced and overpowered for a mere track toy. Great fun, I'm sure, but probably terrifying to most drivers - and that I'd put a solid roof on it for some basic weather-proofing.
In theory, could a racing version of this be made to go after the junior end of GT grids at Le Mans, N24 etc?
DMC2 said:
Hahahahaha £115k!!!! I'll stick with a Caterham 620R at £50k. More fun to drive and a LOT of money saved.
Ah so you've driven it to make a comparison?For what it's worth I rather suspect you're right, but then I find the lower powered Caterhams more fun than the higher powered ones too, 200bhp/tonne is about right for me. Fun is not equal to fast, but if you want a fast track car I can't see much to live with this for the money.
DMC2 said:
Hahahahaha £115k!!!! I'll stick with a Caterham 620R at £50k. More fun to drive and a LOT of money saved.
Indeed, why do you think the Caterham is more fun? The Lotus is a very different car and driving experience. Every Lotus thread compares the Elise to the Seven with a "not another Elise derivative" rubbish. The fact is the Lotus chassis is stunning so what's the problem? The car is hardly like a 118 bhp S1 Elise anyway.Secondly, Lotuses and Caterhams are very different cars to drive-you can appreciate both. Ultimately a Lotus should be more challenging/rewarding car than a Seven which is what many people want on track.
I also think it looks brilliant-better than a Radical/BAC etc. I have no interest in a Zenos either-to new, too ugly and too lacking any heritage for me. £80k+ is a bargain IMO.
braddo said:
If the tub technology still does the job, what does its age matter? You're arguing for change for the sake of change.
Are you sore because the 4C doesn't handle as well as an Elise?
I don't have a 4c (although would like one) Are you sore because the 4C doesn't handle as well as an Elise?
I love the mark one Elise. It absolutely nailed exactly what a lotus should be: it was light, innovative and looked ace. (A bit like me in 1995) every iteration since has added more and more weight. I think I'm safe in saying this stripped out special weighs around 25% more than the 1995 version (0nce again a bit like me) as for the styling the pretty, neat original lines have given way to a bloated bulbous look (hang on a second I can see a pattern here)
On second thoughts I absolutley love it. It's a car that has mirrored my own personal development over the last 20 years.
The only difference is this would murder the ordinal around a track. If I raced my younger version I'd have had a heart attack by the second corner.
The Pits said:
A 991 GT3 would need 700bhp to match the power:weight and this is £50k less than a GT3RS.
Not really a fair comparison though.Try driving all the way to the Ring or Spa in the Lotus.
It's just a track car. I know several people who owned the old 2-11 and said it really wasn't that much fun to drive on the road.
Great to see Lotus making stuff like this though.
It's a bit of a departure from the 2-11, though, in the sense that it's based on the current Exige which is much more mechanically differentiated from the current Elise than previous models were. I would not be surprised to see the next Exige further splitting off structurally from the Elise derived cars.
I was on the provisional list for one of these but was hoping for the lower estimate around the £70k mark but always suspected it would be more.
I think it's a great car and should be outrageously quick if my 2-11 is anything to go by.
Here's the spec sheet for anyone interested
I think it's a great car and should be outrageously quick if my 2-11 is anything to go by.
Here's the spec sheet for anyone interested
Edited by Alex L on Friday 26th June 15:11
otolith said:
925kg dry weight for the road version.
That doesn't look too porky for an aluminium chassis and V6 when a 4C spider with a carbon tub and four pot comes in at 940kg dry. It's a smaller car with a more minimalist interior, of course.
True - The Alfa 4C is a bag of crap too That doesn't look too porky for an aluminium chassis and V6 when a 4C spider with a carbon tub and four pot comes in at 940kg dry. It's a smaller car with a more minimalist interior, of course.
robemcdonald said:
braddo said:
If the tub technology still does the job, what does its age matter? You're arguing for change for the sake of change.
Are you sore because the 4C doesn't handle as well as an Elise?
I don't have a 4c (although would like one) Are you sore because the 4C doesn't handle as well as an Elise?
I love the mark one Elise. It absolutely nailed exactly what a lotus should be: it was light, innovative and looked ace. (A bit like me in 1995) every iteration since has added more and more weight. I think I'm safe in saying this stripped out special weighs around 25% more than the 1995 version (0nce again a bit like me) as for the styling the pretty, neat original lines have given way to a bloated bulbous look (hang on a second I can see a pattern here)
On second thoughts I absolutley love it. It's a car that has mirrored my own personal development over the last 20 years.
The only difference is this would murder the ordinal around a track. If I raced my younger version I'd have had a heart attack by the second corner.
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