HPI checked a car I've just given a deposit for...

HPI checked a car I've just given a deposit for...

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All that jazz

7,632 posts

145 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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spin Do you live on Glaziers Lane, edo? wavey

Torquey

1,888 posts

227 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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Mazda store all their services on database rather than stamping a service book so you are in luck there. Hopefully most or all services were done there. If you go to a Mazda dealer they'll print them off for you.

There's a chance the dealer may have some 'non mazda service receipts to help...


I guess not having a v5 could raise a lot of suspicion (stolen, cloned...) but I dont think the dealer would be so stupid. I'd talk to someone at dvla about it (unless you could quickly trace the last owner) and see if they have any suspicion.

Granfondo

12,241 posts

205 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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Sawyer815 said:
edo : 2.0 are more expensive to ensure and to feed, I'm more looking for a 1.8. Besides, £5500 is kinda my maximum. But thanks!

Granfondo, yes, surely. Then again, I'd have to prove it's actually 80k. I'm not fairly certain a HPI check would work!
Get the V5 before parting with any more cash and contact previous owners to check mileage!

edo

16,699 posts

264 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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All that jazz said:
spin Do you live on Glaziers Lane, edo? wavey
Nope. Old postcode I use when posting Autotrader links smile

Sawyer815

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49 posts

105 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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All that jazz : Thanks a lot for all the help.

Yeah, I know, that deposit is stupid. Don't know why it didn't strike me on the spot. He went all "Ali Baba" on me, it made sense at the time.
I definitely don't have a good feeling about this either. I still hope he's of good faith, because that would mean I wouldn't lose £500, wouldn't need to go to court or something, and would have a damn car. But it's not looking too good.

As for awaiting the V5c to pay the balance, apparently it takes up to 6 weeks to arrive. Then again, if I give the guy the choice "either we wait for the V5c or you please give me my deposit back", maybe he's going to cooperate a bit more...

Sawyer815

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49 posts

105 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Well the previous owner is... the seller's son! So that's not going to work out. smile
The one before that, though, I have no idea...

edo

16,699 posts

264 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Whose name did you put on the request for the V5?

Sawyer815

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49 posts

105 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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My name, my address.

eliot

11,365 posts

253 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Is the rac 'hpi' check a proper 'hpi' check, i.e with HPI? (why people dont go direct to hpi i never know)

A proper HPI check requires the serial number of the log book in order to trigger thier guarantee - which of course you cant provide.

Do not hand over any money until the logbook returns - this may take several weeks.

FWIW i hpi check cars before i even travel to them.

Edited by eliot on Saturday 27th June 00:09

edo

16,699 posts

264 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Sawyer815 said:
My name, my address.
Added an owner. The seller will be very reluctant to give back your deposit. Could be worse, you could have lost £5,300.

foxsasha

1,416 posts

134 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Check the company details here:

http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk//wcframe?name=ac...

Will tell you more details about the company which will help give you an idea of how legit they are. The more legitimate they are the more likely they are to give you your deposit back if the car has been misrepresented.

Why not just tell the guy that the mileage is coming up far higher than advertised and say you want proof that the advertised mileage is correct.

The only real thing that would send me running and screaming in the other direction at this stage is being told that a lesser deposit may result in him selling the car to another interested party. That's straight up not cricket.

Sawyer815

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49 posts

105 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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edo said:
Added an owner. The seller will be very reluctant to give back your deposit. Could be worse, you could have lost £5,300.
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Is there anything that did NOT go wrong? Jeez, seriously...
Thanks for the help too, by the way. Much appreciated.

Sawyer815

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49 posts

105 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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foxsasha, the company exists on there. It doesn't say much about it, but there is nothing spooky.


Durzel

12,232 posts

167 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Some friendly advice.. you need to stop focusing on this car as the be all and end all. There will be others.

When I was 17 I bought an Astra GTE. Unlike you I actually did an HPI check beforehand which told me it had been written off. Like you I quizzed the seller on it and he said many specious things to put me at ease. The write off marker was due to being stolen/recovered with no damage, I was told, and I wanted to believe it because I wanted that car. About 2 years later when I was having a bodykit fitted (don't laugh, I said I was young) found out that it was a cut and shut.

(As it happened the guy who pointed it out to me said it was the best job he'd seen, and the car ran fine for another 2 years without incident - but that's not the point!)

The point is you want this car to be kosher, so all these oddities don't seem like that big a deal, and are easily explained. To an objective observer, however, it adds up to quite a bit of "unfortunate coincidences".

I'd walk away personally.

JimmyConwayNW

3,056 posts

124 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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You are going to have to wait for the New V5 or else you can't tax it if he has no parts of the previous one.

johnnyBv8

2,417 posts

190 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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eliot said:
Is the rac 'hpi' check a proper 'hpi' check, i.e with HPI? (why people dont go direct to hpi i never know)

A proper HPI check requires the serial number of the log book in order to trigger thier guarantee - which of course you cant provide.
Yes RAC HPI is HPI - if you phone them up that's who you speak to. Same with AA I think.

Unsurprsingly, people choose these as they are cheaper for the same info (though the guarantee cover can be a bit lower). So, now you know! wink I agree with you for the cheapest/text check etc, but RAC one is ok.

johnnyBv8

2,417 posts

190 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Sawyer815 said:
Well the previous owner is... the seller's son! So that's not going to work out. smile
The one before that, though, I have no idea...
Possibly to avoid the actual previous owner showing on the V5 when you do getting it, therefore making it less likely you'll contact them. The whole car/situation doesnt sound great tbh.

Deerfoot

4,897 posts

183 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Sawyer815 said:
Well the previous owner is... the seller's son!
Yet he still states he hasn't got the V5?



Butter Face

30,192 posts

159 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Ok, I have spoken to HPI.

The security watch marker has been put on by the finance company that has an interest in the vehicle, there is still finance outstanding which has not yet been cleared so you need to get that sorted OP!

I can't see any mileage discrepancies on the HPI so wouldn't be worrying too much about that!

Overall, despite a smattering of red/yellow alerts on the HPI (there's been a plate change on it in the past) it doesn't actually sound that bad.

The lack of V5 is a bit annoying, you could have checked the MOT history to confirm mileage, and also the fact that the sellers son was the last owner means they should surely have kept the V5 safer than normal. Who knows?

As long as the finance gets cleared (you need a copy of a clearance letter from the finance co) they will remove the finance and security markers and you're ok.

It's upto you if you go ahead now really, it's no longer screaming 'run away' as strongly as it did last night, but I wouldn't be handing over any other money until you've got the V5 and checked the mileage on MOT history.

Good luck!

Deerfoot

4,897 posts

183 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Butter Face said:
Ok, I have spoken to HPI.
Good effort there Butter Face.

Looks like a call to the finance people then another to the seller to ask when exactly does he plan to clear the outstanding debt against the car.