RE: Mercedes AMG A45 gets faster and louder
Discussion
R8VXF said:
Does this new one still sound like it is farting on the upshift?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2PTPnrlxiQ
Hmm bit disappointing the red line is only just over 6k, that is quite diesel-like. Also sounds very flat.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2PTPnrlxiQ
I'll stick to the N54! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25OvUToXRZY
philmots said:
matrignano said:
This. The A45 is an absolute weapon, leagues ahead of the M135i.
But Mercedes always refused to do any deals on it, be it PCP or cash, and that's why they haven't sold half as many as the competition.
Leagues ahead in what way?But Mercedes always refused to do any deals on it, be it PCP or cash, and that's why they haven't sold half as many as the competition.
It might be quicker in a straight line but that's not the only thing that maters.. Genuine question as I've not driven either, but I know how a good BMW drives and handles. Rear drive takes some beating.
PumaUK7 said:
rb5er said:
Focus RS and £20k change sounds like a much more interesting proposition.
Spec for spec the difference won't be that much.Also:
Badge
Performance
Build quality
All down compared to the A45.
Surely also, on the cheaper end of the scale, a Type R would be the better choice over an RS...
Edited by PumaUK7 on Monday 29th June 17:29
Badge? Really? How sad.
Performance: I'd expect very very similar.
Build quality: I doubt you would notice much difference....or by build quality do you mean soft touch plastics?
So no, not really down much if at all on the A45. £20k in your pocket is another brand new car on top.
And then comparing a fwd car? Really? Thats one reason I suggested the RS or possibly indeed a WRX STI as its got a comparable layout.
I can only imagine bias is at work in your post. Will check your garage. Edit: ah no details of your obvious bias there.
Edited by rb5er on Monday 29th June 18:12
As an owner I am very pleased with it I went for the plain jane look
No Aero and standard AMG 18s
No one bothers me and I love it and it sounds great
It is very fast and it goes round corners well and great fun to drive it you need to change your driving style to get the best out of it
It is not about snobbery it is great bit of kit and I will be geeting another one in 2.5 years time.
No Aero and standard AMG 18s
No one bothers me and I love it and it sounds great
It is very fast and it goes round corners well and great fun to drive it you need to change your driving style to get the best out of it
It is not about snobbery it is great bit of kit and I will be geeting another one in 2.5 years time.
rb5er said:
Spec for spec the difference is indeed that much.
Badge? Really? How sad.
Performance: I'd expect very very similar.
Build quality: I doubt you would notice much difference....or by build quality do you mean soft touch plastics?
So no, not really down much if at all on the A45. £20k in your pocket is another brand new car on top.
And then comparing a fwd car? Really? Thats one reason I suggested the RS or possibly indeed a WRX STI as its got a comparable layout.
I can only imagine bias is at work in your post. Will check your garage. Edit: ah no details of your obvious bias there.
Wow, spot who can't afford premium brands!Badge? Really? How sad.
Performance: I'd expect very very similar.
Build quality: I doubt you would notice much difference....or by build quality do you mean soft touch plastics?
So no, not really down much if at all on the A45. £20k in your pocket is another brand new car on top.
And then comparing a fwd car? Really? Thats one reason I suggested the RS or possibly indeed a WRX STI as its got a comparable layout.
I can only imagine bias is at work in your post. Will check your garage. Edit: ah no details of your obvious bias there.
Edited by rb5er on Monday 29th June 18:12
There's a reason why it's much cheaper and it's a combination of all the factors listed. An RS is down on power, has a worse interior in both materials and fit and finish and yes, people do look at the Ford badge and think "cheap".
Also, the RS having 4WD does not make it some magical super weapon. Haldex works very well in its own right.
I think you're trying to justify something in the face of the hard truth that the A45 is the better car of the two. Yes it is more expensive, but that's the price to pay for class leading performance and entry to a prestige brand.
Also, no it really isn't £20k more. The RS is manual only, which is quite a miss.
Edited by PumaUK7 on Monday 29th June 20:05
Spot the brand mug.
So a boggo A series is "better" than a Shelby Mustang or a GT40? Errrmm, no.
Then look at classic fast Ford prices; mental.
Compare to an ageing big engine, luxobarge Merc worth about five quid.
The Ford is highly likely to handle better and will almost certainly have a better gearbox.
I rate cars on what they are, not by badge worship.
So a boggo A series is "better" than a Shelby Mustang or a GT40? Errrmm, no.
Then look at classic fast Ford prices; mental.
Compare to an ageing big engine, luxobarge Merc worth about five quid.
The Ford is highly likely to handle better and will almost certainly have a better gearbox.
I rate cars on what they are, not by badge worship.
matrignano said:
This. The A45 is an absolute weapon, leagues ahead of the M135i.
Are you sure you've driven both and explored both chassis ? Also, what's a league in automotive terms ? PumaUK7 said:
Faster, better all-weather grip / traction. Essentially a quicker, easier to drive car.
4wd gives more lat grip ? Are you sure ? I am not convinced it's easier to drive either, how will you know which axle is going to lose traction first ? I can't think of a more benign chassis than a M135i's by contrast.PumaUK7 said:
Unsure why the M135i gets such fan-fare. The Golf R takes the budget crown and the A45 the performance crown. BMW left out in the cold with a particularly fugly, middling offering.
Maybe looks are subjective and/or it appeals to those who favour a lower COG, lower PMOI car with most of the engine behind the front axle (and 50% more cylinders) and crucially a more balanced RWD chassis ? Each to their own. I think it looks the business. And it's cheaper than the Golf after respective discounts!Edited by nickfrog on Monday 29th June 22:51
PumaUK7 said:
Wow, spot who can't afford premium brands!
There's a reason why it's much cheaper and it's a combination of all the factors listed. An RS is down on power, has a worse interior in both materials and fit and finish and yes, people do look at the Ford badge and think "cheap".
Also, the RS having 4WD does not make it some magical super weapon. Haldex works very well in its own right.
I think you're trying to justify something in the face of the hard truth that the A45 is the better car of the two. Yes it is more expensive, but that's the price to pay for class leading performance and entry to a prestige brand.
Also, no it really isn't £20k more. The RS is manual only, which is quite a miss.
What's this? Entry into a premium brand.... I'm all for premium brands with premium products.... But come on really. Its a fancy hatchback. Its normally a fwd diesel. This is the RS equivalent. And Ford have been doing FWD hatches and premium versions a lot longer than Mercedes. It is possible that in this sector Ford is the premium product AND brandThere's a reason why it's much cheaper and it's a combination of all the factors listed. An RS is down on power, has a worse interior in both materials and fit and finish and yes, people do look at the Ford badge and think "cheap".
Also, the RS having 4WD does not make it some magical super weapon. Haldex works very well in its own right.
I think you're trying to justify something in the face of the hard truth that the A45 is the better car of the two. Yes it is more expensive, but that's the price to pay for class leading performance and entry to a prestige brand.
Also, no it really isn't £20k more. The RS is manual only, which is quite a miss.
Edited by PumaUK7 on Monday 29th June 20:05
PumaUK7 said:
Spec for spec the difference won't be that much.
Also:
Badge
Performance
Build quality
All down compared to the A45.
Surely also, on the cheaper end of the scale, a Type R would be the better choice over an RS...
Even better the new Peugeot 208 Gti by Peugeot Sport. Brembo brakes 208BHP and a mechanical LSD! You could buy two for the price of a A45 AMG. Also:
Badge
Performance
Build quality
All down compared to the A45.
Surely also, on the cheaper end of the scale, a Type R would be the better choice over an RS...
Edited by PumaUK7 on Monday 29th June 17:29
Okay the car is 170BHP down but it also weighs 400KG's less! A quick remap and you will be in similar BHP/Tonne as the A45 while still having 20k in your back pocket to buy something fun for the weekend!
WhiteAMG45 said:
As an owner I am very pleased with it I went for the plain jane look
No Aero and standard AMG 18s
No one bothers me and I love it and it sounds great
It is very fast and it goes round corners well and great fun to drive it you need to change your driving style to get the best out of it
It is not about snobbery it is great bit of kit and I will be geeting another one in 2.5 years time.
I followed a similarly spec'd car (might in fact have been you!) the other day and was impressed by the subtly of the cars appearance considering the performance. You wouldn't take a 2nd look, I only noticed the badge on the back when I got a bit closer. Very nice.No Aero and standard AMG 18s
No one bothers me and I love it and it sounds great
It is very fast and it goes round corners well and great fun to drive it you need to change your driving style to get the best out of it
It is not about snobbery it is great bit of kit and I will be geeting another one in 2.5 years time.
PumaUK7 said:
Wow, spot who can't afford premium brands!
There's a reason why it's much cheaper and it's a combination of all the factors listed. An RS is down on power, has a worse interior in both materials and fit and finish and yes, people do look at the Ford badge and think "cheap".
Also, the RS having 4WD does not make it some magical super weapon. Haldex works very well in its own right.
I think you're trying to justify something in the face of the hard truth that the A45 is the better car of the two. Yes it is more expensive, but that's the price to pay for class leading performance and entry to a prestige brand.
Also, no it really isn't £20k more. The RS is manual only, which is quite a miss.
Wow, what a total knob comment!There's a reason why it's much cheaper and it's a combination of all the factors listed. An RS is down on power, has a worse interior in both materials and fit and finish and yes, people do look at the Ford badge and think "cheap".
Also, the RS having 4WD does not make it some magical super weapon. Haldex works very well in its own right.
I think you're trying to justify something in the face of the hard truth that the A45 is the better car of the two. Yes it is more expensive, but that's the price to pay for class leading performance and entry to a prestige brand.
Also, no it really isn't £20k more. The RS is manual only, which is quite a miss.
Edited by PumaUK7 on Monday 29th June 20:05
And totally clueless as well. You think the A45 is superior because of its badge and price. And you think it superior to a car you've never driven? That is so wrong on so many levels. But I think my first sentence covers it best.
Edited by Ali_T on Tuesday 30th June 00:51
PumaUK7 said:
Pretty amazing that people seem so against the A45 but would jump at a C63.
Aaron- what's a C63 then? A tarted up diesel as well? What's an M4, a tarted up diesel 3 series? By hat logic they're all rubbish.
What they are is considerably nicer to drive than an A45. Aaron- what's a C63 then? A tarted up diesel as well? What's an M4, a tarted up diesel 3 series? By hat logic they're all rubbish.
Edited by PumaUK7 on Monday 29th June 23:01
PumaUK7 said:
So spec for spec, M135i £37k, A45 £43k. Most of the options ticked.
You should be comparing actual prices net of discounts notlist prices. I got a 10% discount on my M135i. Not sure if that is achievable with the A45. Would like to know from A45 owners on here whether they had to pay list.
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