RE: Button drives Senna's McLaren: Time for Coffee?

RE: Button drives Senna's McLaren: Time for Coffee?

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Muzzer79

9,806 posts

186 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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rtz62 said:
If I were Button I'd have been unable to drive through the tears of joy and sadness I would be crying from just sitting in the seat of the greatest Grand Prix driver of modern times.
Seriously? yuck



jcl

227 posts

242 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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rtz62 said:
If I were Button I'd have been unable to drive through the tears of joy and sadness I would be crying from just sitting in the seat of the greatest Grand Prix driver of modern times.
Yes, like Button, I'm a Prost fan too.

PAUL500

2,627 posts

245 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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From what I recall it is nothing to do with any advertising ban, Mclaren are no longer associated with marlboro so Ron Dennis does not want to advertise their products for free so has had all the cars in the official collection changed out.

k-ink

9,070 posts

178 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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j90gta said:
...it had evolved into a corporate day out, dominated by men in the standard uniform of cream chinos, blue Oxford weave shirt and navy blazer, drinking wine!
It could be worse. If it were held in Surrey you'd have old men with white hair, orange faces, all dressed head to toe in pink hehe

court

1,485 posts

215 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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Are we still talking about fags? Can't we get onto the sound of that V12? God I miss that noise!

Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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All to do with RD - the JPS Lotus livery was on display unedited...

Stunning car, and great watching him go up the hill - although his speed surprised me and it was the only car of the session I didn't catch a photo of!

Completely understand with the views about how it's changed over the years, the night before the first one Lord March was painting the bridge in front of the house wearing tatty overalls.

However, I still contest that along with Revival, they are the best motor related annual events in the World. Would seem to be agreed by the manufacturers - more 'first showings' than I've ever seen in one place.

The fact I can still get a shot of my lad holding Rosberg's wheel leaning up against the front wheel, bump into Sir John Surtees just mooching around, and see such a variety of the World's best cars makes it a must every single year.

Funk

26,254 posts

208 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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Link for those who like their YouTube videos bigger than a postage stamp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVKyIG6OXq8

(thought that was supposed to be fixed ages back, PH?)

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

223 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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Wonder how old those goodyears are? smile. As for actually running the car, either use all the rpm or just park the thing up and use as a mobile paper weight. It's an insult to the sport to not use these cars to their maximum.

carl_w

9,154 posts

257 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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Theophany said:
Bottom line is, the car retains the iconic red/white colours in the same proportions and design (which is actually the same Marlboro branding carried by Penske, Williams and countless others at various points in time) but just replaces the explicit wording of 'Marlboro.' Really don't see what the fuss is all about tbh.
Williams and Marlboro? Rothmans/Winfield yes, but Marlboro?

Edit: I stand corrected.



Edited by carl_w on Tuesday 30th June 23:36

BlimeyCharlie

901 posts

141 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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PAUL500 said:
From what I recall it is nothing to do with any advertising ban, Mclaren are no longer associated with marlboro so Ron Dennis does not want to advertise their products for free so has had all the cars in the official collection changed out.
They are no longer with Shell or Goodyear either, so I'm not sure how this works, nor Honda until this year (again).


Baryonyx

17,990 posts

158 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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markcoznottz said:
Wonder how old those goodyears are? smile. As for actually running the car, either use all the rpm or just park the thing up and use as a mobile paper weight. It's an insult to the sport to not use these cars to their maximum.
After the whole Dave Piper thing I doubt many classics will be getting wrung out any time soon (or ever).

aka_kerrly

12,415 posts

209 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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Utterly fantastic piece of engineering combined with being associated with one of the greatest ever drivers makes the Honda McLaren one of my all time favourite F1 cars.

I agree it is a huge shame that the car cannot wear it's original graphics, I understand that from a certain date tobacco sponsorship was banned but it seems harsh retrospectively applying the new rule to cars from a previous era.

The thread deserves another picture tribute to the great man & his machine, Spa 91

Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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Baryonyx said:
markcoznottz said:
Wonder how old those goodyears are? smile. As for actually running the car, either use all the rpm or just park the thing up and use as a mobile paper weight. It's an insult to the sport to not use these cars to their maximum.
After the whole Dave Piper thing I doubt many classics will be getting wrung out any time soon (or ever).
There were plenty being ragged over the weekend, and I'm certain there'll still be rubbing and thrashing at Revival and Silverstone Classic.

Drivers may be keen to have agreements in place prior however...

Muzzer79

9,806 posts

186 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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aka_kerrly said:
I agree it is a huge shame that the car cannot wear it's original graphics, I understand that from a certain date tobacco sponsorship was banned but it seems harsh retrospectively applying the new rule to cars from a previous era.
As alluded to above, I can't see Ron being the type who'd allow free sponsorship of one of his cars now, even an old one.

These things are displayed all around the MTC when not in use aren't they? Can't see a load of cigarette logos all over them going down well with new sponsors

BigBen

11,610 posts

229 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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Muzzer79 said:
aka_kerrly said:
I agree it is a huge shame that the car cannot wear it's original graphics, I understand that from a certain date tobacco sponsorship was banned but it seems harsh retrospectively applying the new rule to cars from a previous era.
As alluded to above, I can't see Ron being the type who'd allow free sponsorship of one of his cars now, even an old one.

These things are displayed all around the MTC when not in use aren't they? Can't see a load of cigarette logos all over them going down well with new sponsors
and they did run the non-cigarette logos at some races even back then as per the picture a few posts above. The cars at MTC are indeed all de-cigarettised

aka_kerrly

12,415 posts

209 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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Muzzer79 said:
aka_kerrly said:
I agree it is a huge shame that the car cannot wear it's original graphics, I understand that from a certain date tobacco sponsorship was banned but it seems harsh retrospectively applying the new rule to cars from a previous era.
As alluded to above, I can't see Ron being the type who'd allow free sponsorship of one of his cars now, even an old one.

These things are displayed all around the MTC when not in use aren't they? Can't see a load of cigarette logos all over them going down well with new sponsors
That makes sense. Having done a bit of scouting about online looking at pics from the MTC i hadn't realised how plain the cars appear when missing half the graphics

PAUL500

2,627 posts

245 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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BlimeyCharlie said:
PAUL500 said:
From what I recall it is nothing to do with any advertising ban, Mclaren are no longer associated with marlboro so Ron Dennis does not want to advertise their products for free so has had all the cars in the official collection changed out.
They are no longer with Shell or Goodyear either, so I'm not sure how this works, nor Honda until this year (again).
Yes but Ron still gets on with them wink so they have stayed on the cars, unlike Marlboro.

FastRich

542 posts

199 months

Wednesday 22nd July 2015
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So they've stayed on some of the cars but not others - I have no idea but what, about 95% kept the branding?

Surely that makes them 95 RON ..... getmecoat