Strange car options
Discussion
IanCress said:
The Focus ST170 could be had with a custom pack and a comfort pack. Basically, if you wanted climate control you also had to have leather seats, and if you wanted the upgraded audio then you had to also have Xenon headlamps.
Think its the other way roundXenons + Climate are the "Comfort pack"
Recaros and stereo are "Custom"
A good one is on the mk7 Golf. You can have a pano roof, or 19 inch wheels. But together is a no no as is pushes the co2 up.
Over here in the states, it makes sense.... so many cars are leased here that by grouping the options in packages it makes it a) much easier to produce on a large scale and b) upon retail, there are very few 'funny' spec'd cars.
MB is particularly bad at this though, we have a GLK and we wanted the rear view camera - not a huge ask. Although you need to spec premium package 1 (which includes a panoramic sunroof etc.) and media package which includes COMAND ... so all in all it was another 5 k!
MB is particularly bad at this though, we have a GLK and we wanted the rear view camera - not a huge ask. Although you need to spec premium package 1 (which includes a panoramic sunroof etc.) and media package which includes COMAND ... so all in all it was another 5 k!
SteBrown91 said:
IanCress said:
The Focus ST170 could be had with a custom pack and a comfort pack. Basically, if you wanted climate control you also had to have leather seats, and if you wanted the upgraded audio then you had to also have Xenon headlamps.
Think its the other way roundXenons + Climate are the "Comfort pack"
Recaros and stereo are "Custom"
All that jazz said:
The mk3 is similarly retarded. With the ST you have to have leather seats if you want xenons, and vv. Another thing that annoys me is that cruise control is an option and not standard on the top of the range Focus. WTjudderingF. Are we still in the 90s?
Its not as bad now, but on the mk2 focus and the mk4 mondeo you couldn't have sat nav with the sony sound system. You had a choice of knowing where you are going but lower quality audio or being lost with a good sound system!Though on the facelifted mk3 ST as standard you get the sony system with a touch screen. And as far as I can tell from the configurator to get sat nav you lose the sony speakers, unless you pay even more for the premium nav with sony speakers and subwoofer??
SteBrown91 said:
Its not as bad now, but on the mk2 focus and the mk4 mondeo you couldn't have sat nav with the sony sound system. You had a choice of knowing where you are going but lower quality audio or being lost with a good sound system!
It may well make more sense than you think - perhaps they both have an extra behind-the-scenes box which requires the same space?Likewise the Octavia needing to be diesel to have the heated front screen - perhaps the higher-output alternator isn't available on the petrol?
VW CC. I wanted the glass roof. Can't have it unless you also get electric rear sun kind and that makes it £900 odd.
It's got f
king tinted glass all around the back! It's like the black hole of Calcutta in there, I haven't needed to put the blind up once in three years of ownership. Total white elephant.
It's got f
king tinted glass all around the back! It's like the black hole of Calcutta in there, I haven't needed to put the blind up once in three years of ownership. Total white elephant. TooMany2cvs said:
It may well make more sense than you think - perhaps they both have an extra behind-the-scenes box which requires the same space?
Likewise the Octavia needing to be diesel to have the heated front screen - perhaps the higher-output alternator isn't available on the petrol?
Could be their theory is that the petrols get up to temperature faster (less heavy engine block), so you don't need the heated front screen.Likewise the Octavia needing to be diesel to have the heated front screen - perhaps the higher-output alternator isn't available on the petrol?
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
Rincewind209 said:
lowdrag said:
To my mind the most blatant one was having to pay NOT to have a standard item. Porsche used to charge for the deletion of the 911 badge on the back.
That is plain silly.A deviation from the standard can require an extra process, certainly a different process. I can fully understand why there might be a charge.
...plus, if the market will stand it then it makes perfect economic sense!
Logistics.
Most people , understandably, have no idea what is involved in mass production. It costs money to give you the choice of badge deletion. It also costs money to provide an ashtray. Every nut washer and bolt on a car is accounted for.
Car manufacturers are in the business of making money.
Most people , understandably, have no idea what is involved in mass production. It costs money to give you the choice of badge deletion. It also costs money to provide an ashtray. Every nut washer and bolt on a car is accounted for.
Car manufacturers are in the business of making money.
hairyben said:
velocemitch said:
On the yet to be actually built c class hybrid to get the command system you will automatically get a glass sunroof, which then has to have a wheel and tyre upgrade. This upgrade puts the co 2 up significantly costing a lot more in BIK. You cant delete the wheel package due to the weight of the sun roof. But you can't have the command system without the sunrioof. Stupid!
I dunno why anyone would order £2-3k factory nav anyway... my 5 year old £500 double-din JVC dumped all over the merc command system available when I bought the van new and looking around now (as I'm looking at a new caddy) the ~£300 "factory fit" type systems on ebay look a step up again.How are manufacturers getting away with it?
You can even, shock horror! take it out of the car once you're parked up if you need further walking directions to your destination.
Kenny Powers said:
Logistics.
Most people , understandably, have no idea what is involved in mass production. It costs money to give you the choice of badge deletion. It also costs money to provide an ashtray. Every nut washer and bolt on a car is accounted for.
Car manufacturers are in the business of making money.
What, even Lotus?Most people , understandably, have no idea what is involved in mass production. It costs money to give you the choice of badge deletion. It also costs money to provide an ashtray. Every nut washer and bolt on a car is accounted for.
Car manufacturers are in the business of making money.
This sat nav thing doesn't annoy me really. I have a iPhone 6+, I'm young so can easy read the screen when stuck to dash before someone complains of this is why I like built in.
But I like my ancient old 2002 tech built in sat nav, yes it's needs me to update its disc as it doesn't have some roads. But, it just looks right in the dash, easy enough to use. When I get out on a long drive and go into a cafe it remembers what was going on before, with my phone I have to mute it, take off dash and reverse procedure upon getting back in. I would rather just get in, start the car and head off. Yes a tomotom would do this but, I have a stupid extra screen, have to turn it off when done, hide it away so it's not stolen and remove the cabling which took up my charger slot for my phone.
So all in all, I completely understand why people pay for it, it's just easy, even if it costs more than other options. Helps with resale too.
But I like my ancient old 2002 tech built in sat nav, yes it's needs me to update its disc as it doesn't have some roads. But, it just looks right in the dash, easy enough to use. When I get out on a long drive and go into a cafe it remembers what was going on before, with my phone I have to mute it, take off dash and reverse procedure upon getting back in. I would rather just get in, start the car and head off. Yes a tomotom would do this but, I have a stupid extra screen, have to turn it off when done, hide it away so it's not stolen and remove the cabling which took up my charger slot for my phone.
So all in all, I completely understand why people pay for it, it's just easy, even if it costs more than other options. Helps with resale too.
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