Megane 250 Cup vs Z4 3.0 vs S2000 vs 350z
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RE the Megane, as the suspension was developed on the Ring,its seems odd that so many get totalled here.Personally I think its brilliant around here but maybe the chassis is a little over developed for some? Also heard of quite a few are developing chassis cracks which over here, means very expensive repairs as simply welding them up is a no go for TUV.S penalty of "lightness" perhaps.
rb5er said:
He doesn't understand meaning of build quality like 90% of people.
If you actually read the whole post you would see that the OP came from a long line of Renaultsports so anything after that is going to feel a bit more premium and upmarket. I'm glad we've still got people buying cars on how they feel like to drive and their fun factor rather than banging on about build quality all the time.
Cracking purchase btw and the best decision out of all the options IMO. They still look so fresh and will probably end up being a bit of an investment while enjoying it. Win win!
culpz said:
rb5er said:
He doesn't understand meaning of build quality like 90% of people.
If you actually read the whole post you would see that the OP came from a long line of Renaultsports so anything after that is going to feel a bit more premium and upmarket. 
DUBS73P said:
rb5er said:
He doesn't understand meaning of build quality like 90% of people.
Feel free to define it then, Build quality is about fit and finish, panel gaps, quality/longevity/resilience of components and materials and how well various materials/components are coupled together.
How a vehicle fares over time mechanically and from a bodywork/structural perspective are what defines real build quality. Does it come apart and go back together properly? Does everything continue to work properly and for how long? Are solder joints good to last for 20 years or until warranty is up? Do components fowl on bodywork? Will it suffer from structural issues? etc etc.
E92Dan said:
How about a Z4 coupe? Now that's going to easily swallow your golf bats. + it looks the nuts
+1Every single day of the week. I so wish I'd got the coupe. That budget will get you a nice one. Z4M Coupe is now on the rise I think. It also has future classic all over it IMHO
rb5er said:
Build quality has very little to do with soft touch dashboard plastics although so many people seem to think that is the be all and end all of build quality, but then so few people know/care about what it actually means.
Build quality is about fit and finish, panel gaps, quality/longevity/resilience of components and materials and how well various materials/components are coupled together.
How a vehicle fares over time mechanically and from a bodywork/structural perspective are what defines real build quality. Does it come apart and go back together properly? Does everything continue to work properly and for how long? Are solder joints good to last for 20 years or until warranty is up? Do components fowl on bodywork? Will it suffer from structural issues? etc etc.
I Dont really see what you are arguing then, with all the things you just said, the Honda still fares very well in regards to build quality, the z4 might look more modern inside, but its certainly not any better build quality wise.Build quality is about fit and finish, panel gaps, quality/longevity/resilience of components and materials and how well various materials/components are coupled together.
How a vehicle fares over time mechanically and from a bodywork/structural perspective are what defines real build quality. Does it come apart and go back together properly? Does everything continue to work properly and for how long? Are solder joints good to last for 20 years or until warranty is up? Do components fowl on bodywork? Will it suffer from structural issues? etc etc.
Im Sure most will agree the honda will beat most things in terms of reliability
I See this car as a fairly good investment, the megane is close to losing a fair amount of value if the r26 prices are anything to go by, and i dont want to be owning the car when this happens. The S2k will see me by the time and i'd imagine will still be worth just as much in a year or two as they become rarer, i'd never rule out getting another 250/265 because its still the best hot hatch of that generation from what i drove even if its not as much fun as the older renaults
DUBS73P said:
I Dont really see what you are arguing then
DUBS73P said:
J4CKO said:
So you judge build quality on plastics nowadays ?
That's the main difference for me so yesI was not referring to any particular car, just referring to this ridiculous statement.
Edited by rb5er on Monday 13th July 14:19
Nothing wrong with the Honda and I would say Honda build quality is actually one of the best in the world, but dash plastics are not the way to judge it, the 350Z has proven pretty much bombproof to some pretty high mileages despite sub par dash plastics, yet Audi, the masters of touch feely interiors dont exactly come that high in the reliability surveys considering.
We have a Citroen C1, flimsy and very cheaply made but you see plenty of them over 100,000 miles, not rusty, engine still fine, still doing its job. Build quality is down to the materials used but goes deeper than the stuff you touch when you drive it, that can be contrived, mechanics will tell you about it best, when they have to take
things apart and they see how long stuff lasts.
We have a Citroen C1, flimsy and very cheaply made but you see plenty of them over 100,000 miles, not rusty, engine still fine, still doing its job. Build quality is down to the materials used but goes deeper than the stuff you touch when you drive it, that can be contrived, mechanics will tell you about it best, when they have to take
things apart and they see how long stuff lasts.
rb5er said:
culpz said:
rb5er said:
He doesn't understand meaning of build quality like 90% of people.
If you actually read the whole post you would see that the OP came from a long line of Renaultsports so anything after that is going to feel a bit more premium and upmarket. Just want to chime in and say as a fellow S2000 owner, it's a good choice you made and the car looks stunning in that colour. For me the 350Z is a quick car in a straight line, not had much experience near one on bendy roads but to my eyes it is pig ugly. Z4 just doesn't cut it for me unless it's a Z4M coupe/roadster, the other ones are pretty common and aren't special enough.
I actually bought my S2000 as a stop gap because I wanted a Z4M coupe at the time but didn't want to spend £16k. It has really got under my skin though and has made me realise that straight line performance isn't everything and given me an understanding of what people mean when they say it isn't all about the power, it's about the delivery. I use mine as a daily and look forward to getting in it everytime.
I actually bought my S2000 as a stop gap because I wanted a Z4M coupe at the time but didn't want to spend £16k. It has really got under my skin though and has made me realise that straight line performance isn't everything and given me an understanding of what people mean when they say it isn't all about the power, it's about the delivery. I use mine as a daily and look forward to getting in it everytime.
culpz said:
Quoting directly what someone else said as a reply would help rather than sending your comment to who ever decides to read it.
Or just reading things in order and seeing exactly what is happening in the conversation before making random comments might help you out too.Its not necessary to quote every statement when the thread is in chronological order.
Enough of your pettiness, if you are struggling to understand things as they are written then thats your problem.
rb5er said:
Or just reading things in order and seeing exactly what is happening in the conversation before making random comments might help you out too.
Its not necessary to quote every statement when the thread is in chronological order.
Enough of your pettiness, if you are struggling to understand things as they are written then thats your problem.
Okay kool i'll remember to keep my crystal ball handy next time when viewing threads. Its not necessary to quote every statement when the thread is in chronological order.
Enough of your pettiness, if you are struggling to understand things as they are written then thats your problem.
Al U said:
it isn't all about the power, it's about the delivery. I use mine as a daily and look forward to getting in it everytime.
I try explaining this with my Civic, i can lose my license in a few seconds, is that not fast enough? 
But the way you can stonk around at over 8000rpm is great fun.
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