evo Mustang Review - just made me think...

[kiseca]

Puddenchucker said:

V8RX7 said:

swerni said:

V8RX7 said:

Exactly, hence I've never bought a new car and own around £50k of used cars that would be over £500k new.

However I agree with the OP that when reviewing new cars it's only fair to compare them to other new cars as they simply can't compete with older ones.

Would like to buy some magic beans?

Or did one of your cars come with £400k of gold bars the boot?

Start suggesting modern comparables for the cars listed in the post above yours and doing the maths.

Lets start with the 240bhp mid engined V6 ?

Porsche Cayman at £40k, 275hp flat 6.

An MR2 with a V6 swap is not worth the price of a Cayman even at 0 miles though

[Quinny]

V8RX7 said:

swerni said:

V8RX7 said:

Exactly, hence I've never bought a new car and own around £50k of used cars that would be over £500k new.

However I agree with the OP that when reviewing new cars it's only fair to compare them to other new cars as they simply can't compete with older ones.

Would like to buy some magic beans?

Or did one of your cars come with £400k of gold bars the boot?

Start suggesting modern comparables for the cars listed in the post above yours and doing the maths.

Lets start with the 240bhp mid engined V6 ?

sorry chaps....but I suspect that most folk on the mustang forums, ain't that interested in what else they could have bought..

[ZX10R NIN]

NST said:

Snap. I have noticed this on a few articles over the last 10months or so. I now seem to not buy EVO as much.

Shame really as this sort of journalism smacks of back handers when it might not be the case at all. I tend to find US or EU magazine articles better.

NST

Have you also noticed how they've stopped listing the "price as tested" & now just quote the base list price even if you can see the car has DSG carbon brakes etc.

It was one of the things I used like about EVO.

[Tractor lad]

I cancelled my long standing subscription to Evo when RM decided to completely slate the M135i having sing its praises for two years. They did the same with the mk4 R32; no issues with opinions, but the inconsistency is clearly there to provoke controversy and make a story, no other mag is so random in its views and it's very clear (and been admitted by an ex Evo journo) that they soon get bored and move onto the next shiny toy.

Even Top Gear has an opinion I now value more.

[DSLiverpool]

Tractor lad said:

I think the Mustang is great but like the Monaros, they are just too big and slightly crude..

Your missing a huge point - a Monaro has the heritage of an Ikea wardrobe - a Mustang slightly more. I would never ever have a Monaro its cheap power in its most basic form and uneventful to look at, my Mustang is ultimately replacing a Merc E500 convertible and whilst build and finish wont be on par the thrill factor on every trip will be immense, the E500 was a snorefest.

[J4CKO]

Tractor lad said:

I think the Mustang is great but like the Monaros, they are just too big and slightly crude.
I'm glad they are around and glad people buy them but they just don't tick my boxes; mind you I'm very anti saloons which skews my judgement a little.

Epic sounds from both though; I often here a local VXR (600bhp one) around our way; the sounds rips holes in the aural fabric of Cornwall.

Crude, in what way ?

Now has multi link suspension, impressive electronics, nice interior, powerful brakes and the engine isnt exactly low tech.

Its RWD like the 135i, is it not having a dual clutch gearbox as that is the only aspect I see that is more crude, only a conventional auto ?

I will get one next when they have been around over hear a year or two.

[V8RX7]

swerni said:

Do you tell all your friends your collection would have been worth £500k new as well?

You're delusional

You're a moron.

(Feel free to google what that means)

My point was that I agree with the OP that new cars can't be compared to older ones (as they simply don't compare) and that off the top of my head it would cost 10x what they cost me to buy the modern equivalents of my cars.

I realise that equivalents are always going to be arguable especially as fun cannot be factored in and the vast majority of new cars aren't as much fun as the older ones.

However you don't know what cars I have, I've mentioned a few and already the new equivalents are over £300k

What about my V8 Soarer and V6 MX5 ?

[kiseca]

A V6 MX5 as well? The hybrids are impossible to value against new equivalents because there never was one.

Your method of valuing your fleet is, at best, inventive, and the result is completely arguable.

[anonymous-user]

DSLiverpool said:

Tractor lad said:

I think the Mustang is great but like the Monaros, they are just too big and slightly crude..

Your missing a huge point - a Monaro has the heritage of an Ikea wardrobe - a Mustang slightly more. I would never ever have a Monaro its cheap power in its most basic form and uneventful to look at, my Mustang is ultimately replacing a Merc E500 convertible and whilst build and finish wont be on par the thrill factor on every trip will be immense, the E500 was a snorefest.

The Monaro is crude but that's part of its charm, it's all about the engine and the noise it makes. It's also 10 years old now so not really fair to compare it to more modern, expensive machinery. What I can tell you as an owner is every drive makes me smile and considering they have no heritage, they're worth more now than they were 5 years ago. I doubt you'll be able to say the same about your Mustang or Merc.

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 4th July 16:08

[Roger Irrelevant]

J4CKO said:

Tractor lad said:

I think the Mustang is great but like the Monaros, they are just too big and slightly crude.
I'm glad they are around and glad people buy them but they just don't tick my boxes; mind you I'm very anti saloons which skews my judgement a little.

Epic sounds from both though; I often here a local VXR (600bhp one) around our way; the sounds rips holes in the aural fabric of Cornwall.

Crude, in what way ?

Is American, therefore is crude - that's on page 1 of the pub bore's 'Instant Motoring Expert Handbook'. I'm in much the same position as you Jacko, I'll be keeping my beady eye on what happens to the price of used Mustangs over the next few years with a view to getting one when my house renovation is sorted. I have no idea what else I could likely get for the same money and I really do not care either.

[Lefty]

I'm coming from the opposite direction actually, I've got a v8 m3 and it really doesn't feel very special - I'm hoping that the Mustang might fix that.

Want to test drive one before commiting though.

[anonymous-user]

V8RX7 said:

You're a moron.

(Feel free to google what that means)

My point was that I agree with the OP that new cars can't be compared to older ones (as they simply don't compare) and that off the top of my head it would cost 10x what they cost me to buy the modern equivalents of my cars.

I realise that equivalents are always going to be arguable especially as fun cannot be factored in and the vast majority of new car aren't as much fun as the older ones.

However you don't know what cars I have, I've mentioned a few and already the new equivalents are over £300k

What about my V8 Soarer and V6 MX5 ?

Sorry, bit I do think you're being a bit bizarre, especially in a thread where we are talking about the silly practice of comparing new to used you are trying to compare new standard to old extensively modified which is far more misleading.

If you're mx5 cost 15k when new and you've put a V6 in it decades later it was always only a 15k car.

Take the soarer. If you slapped on a supercharger/big turbo and made 600bhp, you wouldn't start claiming it would be comparable to a M6/e63 coupe, would you?

Equally, No one is called a finical genius for spending 50k on a skyline and winding it up to 1000bhp, but by your logic they are because a car with similar power and driven wheels would coat well over a million new.

[Lefty]

Interesting that Dickie reviewed 5x hot hatches at an average cost of £30k this month but never said he'd rather have something nearly new (perhaps with 420bhp and rwd) instead of spunkng £30k on a new front wheel drive hatchback.

[briSk]

Lefty said:

Interesting that Dickie reviewed 5x hot hatches at an average cost of £30k this month but never said he'd rather have something nearly new (perhaps with 420bhp and rwd) instead of spunkng £30k on a new front wheel drive hatchback.

indeed! that's why I just logged back in to post on here!
the be-stickered toad wins again.
the fact I could have a Cayman R for the same money wasn't mentioned..! shocking