NSX vs 996 Turbo?
Discussion
e8_pack said:
I see the above guy bought an NSX and considers 911's slow in comparison - I think a GTR would beat one 9/10, so he's right. But I still bought one and I could easily have bought a GTR but I didn't. I also considered the NSX but for me it looks very dated and way to slow in that price bracket. Besides I modify pretty much every car I own and the porker takes the mods very well.
Slow in comparison to modified R32 / R33 GTRs, yes.996 Turbo would hose an NSX no doubt.
I think to buy an NSX you have to "get it". If you go in expecting to be blown away by HP, look elsewhere.
Derek Chevalier said:
yonex said:
Derek Chevalier said:
I thought we were comparing the Boxster, NSX and NA 996? Certainly when the 996 and NSX were tested they were sub 5 second to 0 cars.
Maybe the NSX-R but the 3.0 was not sub 5 secs. Even the 3.2 which I had wasn't ballistic, that was never the point of them though. As an aside, the 2002 NSX press car did 172 round the Millbrook bowl which equates to 180 on the flat - no way was it standard!!
That was the car I drive back then and the one I base my love of the NSX on. 
Ten Four said:
e8_pack said:
I see the above guy bought an NSX and considers 911's slow in comparison - I think a GTR would beat one 9/10, so he's right. But I still bought one and I could easily have bought a GTR but I didn't. I also considered the NSX but for me it looks very dated and way to slow in that price bracket. Besides I modify pretty much every car I own and the porker takes the mods very well.
Slow in comparison to modified R32 / R33 GTRs, yes.996 Turbo would hose an NSX no doubt.
I think to buy an NSX you have to "get it". If you go in expecting to be blown away by HP, look elsewhere.
NSX just isn't quick enough to be special in my view, an NSX would be worried by plenty of modern cars out on the road. The 996 turbo can be modified to 700hp on stock internals, so still holds its own quite easily with all the right analogue controls intact.
g7jhp said:
Derek Chevalier said:
g7jhp said:
Derek Chevalier said:
Aren't all three approx. the same performance wise - 0-60 in around 5 secs, 170 top end?
These two aren't really a fair match. The Honda NSX was compared against the Porsche 964 in tests at launch.The performance figures are:
Honda NSX - 0.60 in 5.5 and 168mph (196bhp per ton)
Porsche 996 turbo - 0.60 in 4.1 and 191mph (272bhp per ton)
I'd have the 996 turbo.....sorry I did buy the 996 turbo!
Wilmslowboy said:
Having, owned and driven a few NSXs, I would say the performance is more akin to that of a Boxster and not a full fat 911...never mind a turbo.
yonex said:
Derek Chevalier said:
The 996 was 3.2 era.
As an aside, the 2002 NSX press car did 172 round the Millbrook bowl which equates to 180 on the flat - no way was it standard!!
Not so sure. The NSX was very efficient, I know a couple which at a VMax thing did pretty well. As an aside, the 2002 NSX press car did 172 round the Millbrook bowl which equates to 180 on the flat - no way was it standard!!
mat205125 said:
In the best traditions of choosing a 3rd option that wasn't originally given, I'd have one of those please.
NSX and R8 completely different cars - NSX immaculately engineered and engine will continue to deliver stated power at 100000 miles with little maintenance. R8 suffers from fundamental flaw of carbon build up leading to power loss unless regularly cleaned. Derek Chevalier said:
A late model (with slight mods) is on a par with a sorted (i.e. not problems with air mass sensor) E46 M3 - is the E46 a 180mph car?
A 'slightly modified' 3.2 would be roughly the same 1/4 mile times as a 'slightly modified' E46 M3, pretty obvious which has the aero advantage. Different cars completely and I have no idea what you're getting at? Is this Top Trumps...E46 4 seats, sub £10k, easily available..996TT faster, quirky, way more tuneable. . It's amusing to me that there are so many people quoting details about the NSX who didn't really want to know 10 years ago...where were you all with £17K, that's what they were trading for.
I enjoyed mine but I'm not blinkered. A choice between a 355 and the NSX now no question which i'd plump for. Fast comfortable head turning GT car with a gorgeous engine, not quite quick enough, a little too efficient, everyone loved it and a handful in the wet. that is my memory of the NSX,. This fanboy thing, I just don't understand, sorry. One colleague even got properly upset when I turned up in a Caterham at work. Weirdo.
Take a look at the various dyno days on prime or nsxcb. A strong stock 3.0 is around 260HP and 3.2 280HP. Plenty of owners have swapped the exhaust and modified the airboxes. SOS have a bigger throttle body which apparently works well on the 3.2. if I did it again I'd look for a 3.0 and swap the final drive. A standard 3.0 is underwhelming performance wise these days with monster HP available from various production cars. With prices as they are you'd really, really have to want one as against building a 2-3 car garage which ultimately would provide a wider range of abilities.
yonex said:
Derek Chevalier said:
My point is that I don't think the press car was standard - it did the standing kilometre in under 23 seconds
Well it's not like a press car or motorcycle has never been 
Out of interest what didn't you like about the wet weather handling - I have the impression it would be more of handful in the dry when you pushed it too hard and it rolled into oversteer?
yonex said:
I enjoyed mine but I'm not blinkered. A choice between a 355 and the NSX now no question which i'd plump for. Fast comfortable head turning GT car with a gorgeous engine, not quite quick enough, a little too efficient, everyone loved it and a handful in the wet. that is my memory of the NSX,. This fanboy thing, I just don't understand, sorry. One colleague even got properly upset when I turned up in a Caterham at work. Weirdo.
There is an unfortunate tendency with several 'legendary' older cars to eulogise and embellish their driving characteristics way beyond reality. The NSX was a fine car when launched, but sales floundered badly in later years. It seems the Senna connection and years of mythologising have somewhat exaggerated it's capabilities.I recall several years ago a magazine (may have been Evo) put a Corsa VXR up against an Integrale Evo 2 around a track. The Corsa was quicker - in the wet.
The same can also be said of even the McLaren F1, if you put the engine aside, analysis of the car by journalists and our very own Flemke rate several areas such as braking and handling as at best mediocre.
Olivera said:
yonex said:
I enjoyed mine but I'm not blinkered. A choice between a 355 and the NSX now no question which i'd plump for. Fast comfortable head turning GT car with a gorgeous engine, not quite quick enough, a little too efficient, everyone loved it and a handful in the wet. that is my memory of the NSX,. This fanboy thing, I just don't understand, sorry. One colleague even got properly upset when I turned up in a Caterham at work. Weirdo.
There is an unfortunate tendency with several 'legendary' older cars to eulogise and embellish their driving characteristics way beyond reality. The NSX was a fine car when launched, but sales floundered badly in later years. It seems the Senna connection and years of mythologising have somewhat exaggerated it's capabilities.I recall several years ago a magazine (may have been Evo) put a Corsa VXR up against an Integrale Evo 2 around a track. The Corsa was quicker - in the wet.
The same can also be said of even the McLaren F1, if you put the engine aside, analysis of the car by journalists and our very own Flemke rate several areas such as braking and handling as at best mediocre.
Derek Chevalier said:
yonex said:
Derek Chevalier said:
My point is that I don't think the press car was standard - it did the standing kilometre in under 23 seconds
Well it's not like a press car or motorcycle has never been Out of interest what didn't you like about the wet weather handling - I have the impression it would be more of handful in the dry when you pushed it too hard and it rolled into oversteer?
Derek Chevalier said:
I would expect Honda to be above those type of shenanigans!
Out of interest what didn't you like about the wet weather handling - I have the impression it would be more of handful in the dry when you pushed it too hard and it rolled into oversteer?
It wasn't playful and it let you know this. The car rewarded when you set it up before a corner. Everyone is different but I seem to like front end turn in and the steering was a bit sluggish. When you pushed it, to me, and my abilities, it felt like it would give a bit of slip then bite...in the wet. I'll add that it didn't have the goldilocks Bridgestones (RE010 IIRC) as they were unobtainable at the time. In the dry it was great, like a grown up Elise. I never managed to really un-stick it in the dry, it was awesome. Project Mu pads and braided likes transformed the pedal feel. Probably shouldn't have sold it as its unlikely another NA2 will come up for what I'll pay. FWIW my old car was written off and is now being rebuilt as a race car. Planning on venturing to a meet to say hello.Out of interest what didn't you like about the wet weather handling - I have the impression it would be more of handful in the dry when you pushed it too hard and it rolled into oversteer?
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 11th July 20:54
yonex said:
Derek Chevalier said:
I would expect Honda to be above those type of shenanigans!
Out of interest what didn't you like about the wet weather handling - I have the impression it would be more of handful in the dry when you pushed it too hard and it rolled into oversteer?
It wasn't playful and it let you know this.. The car rewarded when you set it up before a corner. Everyone is different but I seem to like front end turn in and the steering was a bit sluggish. When you pushed it, to me, and my abilities, it felt like it would give a bit of slip then bite...in the wet. I'll add that it didn't have the goldilocks Bridgestiones (RE010 IIRC) as they were unobtainable at the time. In the dry it was great, like a grown up Elise. I never managed to really unstick it in the dry, it was awesome. Prolect Mu pads and braided likes transformed the pedal feel. Probably shouldn't have sold it as its unlikely another NA2 will come up for what I'll pay. FWIW my old car was written off and is now being rebuilt as a race car. Planning on venturing to a meet to say hello.Out of interest what didn't you like about the wet weather handling - I have the impression it would be more of handful in the dry when you pushed it too hard and it rolled into oversteer?
Derek Chevalier said:
I think that is a fair summary - steering is certainly slower than other sporting cars. I've tried a number of tyres but it really seems to like stiff sidewalls (think this is common on sporting Hondas) - especially on the back. Hopefully see you at a future meet....
I'm going to Wings and Wheels and Silverstone classic with the Jaguar club. Definitely will pop over to the NSX stand to have a nose. Are the RE010's still around, I recall a group of us looking at shipping a few sets from Japan?Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 11th July 21:26
yonex said:
Derek Chevalier said:
I think that is a fair summary - steering is certainly slower than other sporting cars. I've tried a number of tyres but it really seems to like stiff sidewalls (think this is common on sporting Hondas) - especially on the back. Hopefully see you at a future meet....
I'm going to Wings and Wheels and Silverstone classic with the Jaguar club. Definitely will pop over to the NSX stand to have a nose. Are the RE010's still around, I recall a group of us looking at shipping a few sets from Japan?Edited by yonex on Saturday 11th July 21:26
I can't make Silverstone but may see if a few of the crowd are up for Dunsfold Wings and Wheels in August...
Tough choice I suppose. From someone who owns a 996 turbo I might be slightly biased but being a Honda "fanboi" I still lust after an NSX. Not sure a normal NSX would cut it for me compared to the 996, but still a very nice car.
For me it would have to be the type-R. Mate of mine owned one a few years ago, absolutely stunning machine! The colour wasn't the best (sort of racing green colour) but I could have easily lived with it. Still has to be one of the most exciting cars I've ever been in though, I'll never forget the noise when the VTEC came in! Think there was only a few of them in the country but I've never seen it again.
For me it would have to be the type-R. Mate of mine owned one a few years ago, absolutely stunning machine! The colour wasn't the best (sort of racing green colour) but I could have easily lived with it. Still has to be one of the most exciting cars I've ever been in though, I'll never forget the noise when the VTEC came in! Think there was only a few of them in the country but I've never seen it again.
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