People driving and behaving like idiots around you
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Try a ropey looking K11 Micra!
People seem to assume you are the lowest of the low.
I get tailgated, bullied and generally abused. The car cost me £250..I'm not going to move over!
I was once tailgated at night down a quite NSL A road by a chap in a Juke, he had his main beams, DRL's and foglights on and would not overtake, even when I indicated to the left and slowed to 30mph?!.
I tried to ignore him but when we both stopped at a set of lights I got out to ask what he was up to he very quickly reversed up the road?!
All very strange.
In my MX5 I get no aggro. (Well, only from BMW's who can't keep up
)
People seem to assume you are the lowest of the low.
I get tailgated, bullied and generally abused. The car cost me £250..I'm not going to move over!
I was once tailgated at night down a quite NSL A road by a chap in a Juke, he had his main beams, DRL's and foglights on and would not overtake, even when I indicated to the left and slowed to 30mph?!.
I tried to ignore him but when we both stopped at a set of lights I got out to ask what he was up to he very quickly reversed up the road?!
All very strange.
In my MX5 I get no aggro. (Well, only from BMW's who can't keep up
)
At times yes. I like to call them Picards, mainly on
motorways,as in I spot them perhaps around a mile away,
Jean Luc tells Data "make it so" and the distant car
is now at warp speed catching up to have a look as if I have activated
a tractor beam.
I've been tailgated on split slip roads, even after taking the
slower HGV lane.
Slowing to take photos, beeps of the horn.etc
Even had a RAC breakdown van stop to let me out turning right
out of a petrol station against traffic. I just had to mouth"thanks
point to my left and wave him on.
This is in a 13 year old Ferrari, gods knows what it is like in a current
model or a Lambo etc.
motorways,as in I spot them perhaps around a mile away,
Jean Luc tells Data "make it so" and the distant car
is now at warp speed catching up to have a look as if I have activated
a tractor beam.
I've been tailgated on split slip roads, even after taking the
slower HGV lane.
Slowing to take photos, beeps of the horn.etc
Even had a RAC breakdown van stop to let me out turning right
out of a petrol station against traffic. I just had to mouth"thanks
point to my left and wave him on.
This is in a 13 year old Ferrari, gods knows what it is like in a current
model or a Lambo etc.
Buff Mchugelarge said:
Try a ropey looking K11 Micra!
People seem to assume you are the lowest of the low.
I get tailgated, bullied and generally abused. The car cost me £250..I'm not going to move over!
I was once tailgated at night down a quite NSL A road by a chap in a Juke, he had his main beams, DRL's and foglights on and would not overtake, even when I indicated to the left and slowed to 30mph?!.
I tried to ignore him but when we both stopped at a set of lights I got out to ask what he was up to he very quickly reversed up the road?!
All very strange.
In my MX5 I get no aggro. (Well, only from BMW's who can't keep up )
I'd echo this, had some terrible drivers who just had to get past me at all costs when I had the Micra.People seem to assume you are the lowest of the low.
I get tailgated, bullied and generally abused. The car cost me £250..I'm not going to move over!
I was once tailgated at night down a quite NSL A road by a chap in a Juke, he had his main beams, DRL's and foglights on and would not overtake, even when I indicated to the left and slowed to 30mph?!.
I tried to ignore him but when we both stopped at a set of lights I got out to ask what he was up to he very quickly reversed up the road?!
All very strange.
In my MX5 I get no aggro. (Well, only from BMW's who can't keep up
)The MX5's always seemed to get smiles (or laughs because the roof was down in the rain) and people often just got out of the way and let me get on with it. Ironically the idiot that stands out when I was in the MX5 was in a BMW 320D
Morning all,
Thanks for sharing your experiences and opinions, its reassuring to know its not just me.
Re the comments about the rear view mirror on the 370 I'll check this out, thanks for the tip.
For tailgaters I generally use the rule of thumb that if we're doing 30mph or more and I cannot see the number plate of the car behind they are too close, whilst if I cannot see their headlights they are being a real cock-end and ridiculously close.
On the matter of tailights I am not talking about slamming on or even braking, just touching the pedal a couple of times in when people are persistently driving dangerously close. I thought this was the universal language for 'you're too close, give me some more room please' and know many other city and motorway drivers who do this. Maybe it is wrong, but when someone is driving in a way that could potentially see them rear-end you I don't see any other way of communicating with them and why should you be bullied out of the way because of their aggressive driving when there is nowhere to go anyway.
I think regarding the comments about Manchester it does seem to have gotten worse lately in general, though I have noticed it much more since driving the 370Z. My GF and I both do a lot of driving and see loads of people driving dangerously, weaving between lanes and driving way to close to one another. So many people seem to have something to prove on the road and make everything a battle, just creating unnecessary stress for themselves and other drivers.
This morning on my way in to work I had a battered Pug 307 weave suddenly into the lane behind me on Mancunian Way without indicating then sit so close to me I couldn't see his headlights, again with traffic in front of me and nowhere to go. He then weaved back into the left lane cutting someone else up and proceeded to do his best to 'push' that lane of traffic up the road. He had a front bumper a different colour to the rest of his car so looked like he may well have rear-ended someone before. I also had some Chevrolet 4x4 behind me actually flashing his lights at me because I wasn't trying overtake an artic doing 'only' 20mph in the city centre when there was oncoming traffic coming the other way. FFS just be patient?!
Finally regarding the Micra comments I was talking about that last night funnily enough. The only other car I have driven where I noticed people adjusting their driving style around me was an old ex-girlfriends Micra. People would go to extreme lengths not to get stuck behind you in the expectation that you would drive slow and always try and bully you in a merge situation!
Thanks for sharing your experiences and opinions, its reassuring to know its not just me.
Re the comments about the rear view mirror on the 370 I'll check this out, thanks for the tip.
For tailgaters I generally use the rule of thumb that if we're doing 30mph or more and I cannot see the number plate of the car behind they are too close, whilst if I cannot see their headlights they are being a real cock-end and ridiculously close.
On the matter of tailights I am not talking about slamming on or even braking, just touching the pedal a couple of times in when people are persistently driving dangerously close. I thought this was the universal language for 'you're too close, give me some more room please' and know many other city and motorway drivers who do this. Maybe it is wrong, but when someone is driving in a way that could potentially see them rear-end you I don't see any other way of communicating with them and why should you be bullied out of the way because of their aggressive driving when there is nowhere to go anyway.
I think regarding the comments about Manchester it does seem to have gotten worse lately in general, though I have noticed it much more since driving the 370Z. My GF and I both do a lot of driving and see loads of people driving dangerously, weaving between lanes and driving way to close to one another. So many people seem to have something to prove on the road and make everything a battle, just creating unnecessary stress for themselves and other drivers.
This morning on my way in to work I had a battered Pug 307 weave suddenly into the lane behind me on Mancunian Way without indicating then sit so close to me I couldn't see his headlights, again with traffic in front of me and nowhere to go. He then weaved back into the left lane cutting someone else up and proceeded to do his best to 'push' that lane of traffic up the road. He had a front bumper a different colour to the rest of his car so looked like he may well have rear-ended someone before. I also had some Chevrolet 4x4 behind me actually flashing his lights at me because I wasn't trying overtake an artic doing 'only' 20mph in the city centre when there was oncoming traffic coming the other way. FFS just be patient?!
Finally regarding the Micra comments I was talking about that last night funnily enough. The only other car I have driven where I noticed people adjusting their driving style around me was an old ex-girlfriends Micra. People would go to extreme lengths not to get stuck behind you in the expectation that you would drive slow and always try and bully you in a merge situation!
You guys should try driving in SE Asia. It really is beyond comprehension how bad the driving standards are.
The bigger you are means you have right of way. Cars just pull out and if you're on a scooter you just have to swerve or stop.
People drive on both sides of the road if it's quicker to get to their destination. Bikes, cars, buses, trucks. Everyone does it.
No MOT or roadworthy checks. No limitations to how much you load your truck, car, motorbike (everyone has seen the whole family on a Honda scooter). No licence requirements. No age limits. No drink drive limits. No speed limits. Helmet optional.
Pedestrians just wonder across the road when and where they wish. Also look out for cows, dogs (asleep in road) and coconuts.
The only "law" I know if is no headlights in daytime. Nighttime it's optional.
In the UK I used to get annoyed at bad driving. Now I really don't care!
The bigger you are means you have right of way. Cars just pull out and if you're on a scooter you just have to swerve or stop.
People drive on both sides of the road if it's quicker to get to their destination. Bikes, cars, buses, trucks. Everyone does it.
No MOT or roadworthy checks. No limitations to how much you load your truck, car, motorbike (everyone has seen the whole family on a Honda scooter). No licence requirements. No age limits. No drink drive limits. No speed limits. Helmet optional.
Pedestrians just wonder across the road when and where they wish. Also look out for cows, dogs (asleep in road) and coconuts.
The only "law" I know if is no headlights in daytime. Nighttime it's optional.
In the UK I used to get annoyed at bad driving. Now I really don't care!
Edited by iambeowulf on Wednesday 8th July 07:59
My MR2 Roadster tends to draw venom from sooters and 4x4s (which are usually sooters too).
Classic example on a local NSL Dual CW. Sooter 4x4 IS going to overtake me. I accelerate upto 70 and move over. He blasts past at 90 then has to brake early and right down to 25 for the next clear r/bout as his car is 2 tons. MR2 catches him up and can take the r/bout at 30-35 no sweat not even pushing it and he's behind again. Cue angry looks, wave of boost, diseasel **** out the back and off it soots again.
My other car is an electric Zoe. No one trys to race that but it has the "micra" syndrome where people think its too slow to be stuck behind and again go out there way to overtake it. It is slow above 40, but for urban commute in reality its quicker than most cars. No transmission/gear delays and max torque at zero rpm :-) Its likes lights!
Classic example on a local NSL Dual CW. Sooter 4x4 IS going to overtake me. I accelerate upto 70 and move over. He blasts past at 90 then has to brake early and right down to 25 for the next clear r/bout as his car is 2 tons. MR2 catches him up and can take the r/bout at 30-35 no sweat not even pushing it and he's behind again. Cue angry looks, wave of boost, diseasel **** out the back and off it soots again.
My other car is an electric Zoe. No one trys to race that but it has the "micra" syndrome where people think its too slow to be stuck behind and again go out there way to overtake it. It is slow above 40, but for urban commute in reality its quicker than most cars. No transmission/gear delays and max torque at zero rpm :-) Its likes lights!
To the OP
You are spotting all the numpties which shows good observation skills
Now take it a stage further and deal with them in safest way possible so there is no chance of instigating an incident
It seems you can read the minds of the numpty drivers - I wish I could do that !!
What I am saying is that what you perceive them to be thinking is only in your head
Deal with numpties safely then give yourself a proverbial pat on the back for doing so - you will feel much better as you have achieved something which keeps all safe
Getting into such a mindset is what advanced driving is all about - a way of thinking about things on the road
You are spotting all the numpties which shows good observation skills
Now take it a stage further and deal with them in safest way possible so there is no chance of instigating an incident
It seems you can read the minds of the numpty drivers - I wish I could do that !!
What I am saying is that what you perceive them to be thinking is only in your head
Deal with numpties safely then give yourself a proverbial pat on the back for doing so - you will feel much better as you have achieved something which keeps all safe
Getting into such a mindset is what advanced driving is all about - a way of thinking about things on the road
Maybe you drive on different types of roads than me but lots of cars are up for a bit of a go on my commute. Luckily I have a 80+mile round trip on half decent A roads with not too much traffic, if someone comes fast up behind me when sitting at 70 I'll go for it on the next set of bends, likewise, countless times I've come up behind a slower car only for them to decide to take off. In the end you get a flash from behind or a flash of hazards from in front, acknowledging it was a good laugh. I can imagine many on here would disagree but this is the case most days.
R0G said:
What I am saying is that what you perceive them to be thinking is only in your head
This ^^As I said earlier on the thread, I don't even think most tailgating numpties are giving it any real thought at all, they just do it all the time without paying any real attention to what they are doing - it's like people shoving past you to get on a tube in London - 99% of time you'll both be getting on the same tube, arriving at the same time, but they haven't really given it any thought beyond being in a vague hurry.
lostkiwi said:
The recommended way to deal with a tailgater is to gradually go slower and slower....(I've always found it a useful way to wind them up further too).
#Edited by lostkiwi on Tuesday 7th July 14:54
I regularly do this in my gutless daily snotter. I don't do it to wind them up. The aim is to create space in front of me into which they can overtake (if in traffic) and also make myself easier to overtake in the process. The aim is to facilitate a safe overtake as a matter of common courtesy - rather like holding the door open for someone. But if they then just sit there two feet from my bumper, then that's just rudeness.
often women are the worse for harassing - unintentionally.
3 years ago in some serious snow i was driving pretty slow as it was treacherous and noticed some idiot waaaaay to close behind. I indicated, slowed and pulled over to let them pass but they just slowed to a stop. I waited 10 secs or so and they flashed their lights.
I got out and walked over and asked the driver was everything OK - it was. I asked her why she was driving so close and she said she was scared and wanted to stay close incase she had an accident. Seriously!
I had just assumed it was an idiot driver but she thought it was safer that way
3 years ago in some serious snow i was driving pretty slow as it was treacherous and noticed some idiot waaaaay to close behind. I indicated, slowed and pulled over to let them pass but they just slowed to a stop. I waited 10 secs or so and they flashed their lights.
I got out and walked over and asked the driver was everything OK - it was. I asked her why she was driving so close and she said she was scared and wanted to stay close incase she had an accident. Seriously!
I had just assumed it was an idiot driver but she thought it was safer that way
Monkeylegend said:
Acidrop said:
There are a lot of idiot drivers on the road. I'm not normally an aggressive driver, but I won't let anyone bully me on the road, no matter what car they're in. I drive a mint Audi S4 so obviously don't want to crash it just to prove a point, but if someone drives like a knob I won't back down.
This morning on the motorway I had a Merc(minicab) sit on my arse for a few miles, even though there was nowhere for him to go.
Eventually he undertakes me and tries to push in between me and the car in front. By which time I had closed the gap and squeezed him out. He nearly collided with me through his erratic driving and obviously took great offense. From then on he was taunting me the whole way cutting me up, breaking hard in front of me and holding me up. I didn't make a fuss and waited until I was next to him, so wound my window down and told him to pull over. Guess what, he gave it all the signs and verbal abuse but wouldn't pull over so we could sort it out...
You are my new PH hero This morning on the motorway I had a Merc(minicab) sit on my arse for a few miles, even though there was nowhere for him to go.
Eventually he undertakes me and tries to push in between me and the car in front. By which time I had closed the gap and squeezed him out. He nearly collided with me through his erratic driving and obviously took great offense. From then on he was taunting me the whole way cutting me up, breaking hard in front of me and holding me up. I didn't make a fuss and waited until I was next to him, so wound my window down and told him to pull over. Guess what, he gave it all the signs and verbal abuse but wouldn't pull over so we could sort it out...
The above issues would never raise your blood pressure
A/ because Russian drivers are Always going Tailgate B ,Intimidate ,C Three lane it , get past you in what ever they drive or what ever the road conditions. that's why 25,000 of them get killed every year on Russian roads. If you tried to brake test a Russian driver , he would deliberately push you off the road no messing . Then it would be proper fisticuffs at the side of the road soon escalating to what ever he had in the boot
I know this I drove their for 10 years.
I adapt a simple philosophy if I'm in a hurry I drive quickly, if anyone gets behind me and they want to get past I get the f
k out of their way as soon as its safe to do so ,, you don't know the mental attitude of the driver behind you , it could be another Kenny Noye ?? all this English territorial I own 10m in front of my car b
ks will get you hurt one day , seen it done it worn the t shirt , lifes too short you only get one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cLlxi_AuK8
Edited by DBSV8 on Friday 10th July 07:19
nitrodave said:
For a while I had three cars which i drive through central london, depending on the weather and mood.
The modded mr2 turbo gets heaps of abuse and hatred from all directions when I am minding my own business.
The classic mini cooper got love and respect from everyone, even bus drivers and cabbies who are the angriest most nasty people on the roads.
In my 3 series bmw, i blend in and feel normal and safe. No hatred, but not much love.
It's your car, you just got to roll with it.
It's not actually the car that creates such situations it's all in your mind so to speak. You drive a car that you feel others may not approve of therefore you are actively recording situations where this looks to confirm your opinion of how you think people see your vehicle. If someone was to hypnotise you into thinking the mini was in actual fact the MR2, you would get out equally stressed. The reality is that the vast majority of people just go about their daily life without a single care as to what you drive. How you drive whilst in either of your car's has more of an impact on others than what you drive.The modded mr2 turbo gets heaps of abuse and hatred from all directions when I am minding my own business.
The classic mini cooper got love and respect from everyone, even bus drivers and cabbies who are the angriest most nasty people on the roads.
In my 3 series bmw, i blend in and feel normal and safe. No hatred, but not much love.
It's your car, you just got to roll with it.
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