New definition of quick. 0 -100 mph time
Discussion
robinessex said:
I've decided that the old 0-60 sprint is obsolete, that a 0-100 is the new standard. And I'm assigning a time of <6 secs as the pass level. The Ultima does it in 5.3 secs. Anything road going faster!
My benchmark for a seriously quick car was / is anything around 10s for 0-100mph. That really is fast so anything quicker is a tad mental 
TX.
Edited by Terminator X on Friday 10th July 09:56
kambites said:
Speed addicted said:
I always find it amazing how much power these things can put to the road before they start wheelying. Presumably there has been major focus on driving the CoG on modern superbikes downwards? 300bhp/litre from a production engine is quite silly.
Devil2575 said:
This.
0-100 in <6 seconds in a road car isn't quick, it's bordering on insanity and IMHO completely irrelevant on the public highway.
It seems that you are in the wrong area.0-100 in <6 seconds in a road car isn't quick, it's bordering on insanity and IMHO completely irrelevant on the public highway.
Go out of the door, turn left, go to the end of the corridor then either left for Mumsnet or right for BRAKE.
ORD said:
I think increments of speed once moving are more relevant to the driving experience: 30-70 is quite a good indicator of how it will feel on the road; 60-100 will tell you how much puff it has; 100-140 will separate the very fast from the insanely fast
On the road, the biggest difference between fast and normal cars is that fast ones spend almost no time to get back to 60mph + after slow corners on A and B roads. Most reasonably powerful cars are too fast to use WOT on the motorway (except on the slip road), so high speed acceleration doesn't really factor in what I would want in a road car. Nice short gears and about 200bhp/ton is what you want.
I disagree.On the road, the biggest difference between fast and normal cars is that fast ones spend almost no time to get back to 60mph + after slow corners on A and B roads. Most reasonably powerful cars are too fast to use WOT on the motorway (except on the slip road), so high speed acceleration doesn't really factor in what I would want in a road car. Nice short gears and about 200bhp/ton is what you want.
The only time I actually *need* my car to be fast is when trying to squeeze out into a small gap on a roundabout or turning out of a small side road onto a main road. Both of these are from stationary and a 0-60 measurement tells me how well the car will do this. I would never aim to actually match the 0-60 time, but a car that has been timed at 6 seconds will feel much safer pulling out of a side road onto an A road into heavy traffic than one timed at 10 seconds.
alock said:
I disagree.
The only time I actually *need* my car to be fast is when trying to squeeze out into a small gap on a roundabout or turning out of a small side road onto a main road. Both of these are from stationary and a 0-60 measurement tells me how well the car will do this. I would never aim to actually match the 0-60 time, but a car that has been timed at 6 seconds will feel much safer pulling out of a side road onto an A road into heavy traffic than one timed at 10 seconds.
If you have the hammer down from rest, the gap isn't big enough!The only time I actually *need* my car to be fast is when trying to squeeze out into a small gap on a roundabout or turning out of a small side road onto a main road. Both of these are from stationary and a 0-60 measurement tells me how well the car will do this. I would never aim to actually match the 0-60 time, but a car that has been timed at 6 seconds will feel much safer pulling out of a side road onto an A road into heavy traffic than one timed at 10 seconds.
ORD said:
alock said:
I disagree.
The only time I actually *need* my car to be fast is when trying to squeeze out into a small gap on a roundabout or turning out of a small side road onto a main road. Both of these are from stationary and a 0-60 measurement tells me how well the car will do this. I would never aim to actually match the 0-60 time, but a car that has been timed at 6 seconds will feel much safer pulling out of a side road onto an A road into heavy traffic than one timed at 10 seconds.
If you have the hammer down from rest, the gap isn't big enough!The only time I actually *need* my car to be fast is when trying to squeeze out into a small gap on a roundabout or turning out of a small side road onto a main road. Both of these are from stationary and a 0-60 measurement tells me how well the car will do this. I would never aim to actually match the 0-60 time, but a car that has been timed at 6 seconds will feel much safer pulling out of a side road onto an A road into heavy traffic than one timed at 10 seconds.
If you're having to use the performance to feel that negligible difference when pulling into a gap, then you're not driving very safely.
kambites said:
I always find it amazing how much power these things can put to the road before they start wheelying. Presumably there has been major focus on driving the CoG on modern superbikes downwards?
300bhp/litre from a production engine is quite silly.
On the H2 you will see little spoilers on the front. 300bhp/litre from a production engine is quite silly.
30-70 makes sense but is over too quickly in many cars and if there's an extra gearchange in there it will massively skew the numbers. But how can the industry standard change to something technically illegal in the UK (i.e. over 70)?
I'd say those 30-130 events have the right idea though.
I'd say those 30-130 events have the right idea though.
macky17 said:
30-70 makes sense but is over too quickly in many cars and if there's an extra gearchange in there it will massively skew the numbers. But how can the industry standard change to something technically illegal in the UK (i.e. over 70)?
I'd say those 30-130 events have the right idea though.
This is PistonHeadsI'd say those 30-130 events have the right idea though.
It's Friday.
Why are you bringing common sense into the equation?
Dave200 said:
ORD said:
alock said:
I disagree.
The only time I actually *need* my car to be fast is when trying to squeeze out into a small gap on a roundabout or turning out of a small side road onto a main road. Both of these are from stationary and a 0-60 measurement tells me how well the car will do this. I would never aim to actually match the 0-60 time, but a car that has been timed at 6 seconds will feel much safer pulling out of a side road onto an A road into heavy traffic than one timed at 10 seconds.
If you have the hammer down from rest, the gap isn't big enough!The only time I actually *need* my car to be fast is when trying to squeeze out into a small gap on a roundabout or turning out of a small side road onto a main road. Both of these are from stationary and a 0-60 measurement tells me how well the car will do this. I would never aim to actually match the 0-60 time, but a car that has been timed at 6 seconds will feel much safer pulling out of a side road onto an A road into heavy traffic than one timed at 10 seconds.
If you're having to use the performance to feel that negligible difference when pulling into a gap, then you're not driving very safely.
You're probably not actually saying this, which means you are using the performance of your car to turn a gap into an opportunity that wouldn't be available to a tractor. Can you really not see that this is not a black and white issue? There are many scales of grey and the faster your car is off the line, the more safe opportunities you have.
Devil2575 said:
This.
0-100 in <6 seconds in a road car isn't quick, it's bordering on insanity and IMHO completely irrelevant on the public highway.
I disagree. You can never have too much usable power, even on public highway.0-100 in <6 seconds in a road car isn't quick, it's bordering on insanity and IMHO completely irrelevant on the public highway.
I was out in a friends Evo RS Lightweight just a few weeks ago which has in excess of 550bhp combined with weighing naff-all, and he was hitting the throttle and reaching 150 within a very, very short space of time, before slowing down to take the next roundabout on the deserted bypass we were on at the time.
150 is as fast as it will go at present due to hitting the rev limit in top gear.
After a little while of thrashing it, we both sagely agreed that it really needed bit more power to be truly impressive, around 650bhp perhaps.
We then discussed the fact that I had owned bikes that were pretty much as fast, and they too got boring after a while.
So no, once you get into owning truly fast cars and bikes, and live in an area of the country where you can easily open the taps without other people nearby, the requirement for ever faster is constant.
kambites said:
I always find it amazing how much power these things can put to the road before they start wheelying. Presumably there has been major focus on driving the CoG on modern superbikes downwards?
300bhp/litre from a production engine is quite silly.
A lot of it is the electronics preventing wheelies but maintaining traction. Very clever stuff on modern superbikes.300bhp/litre from a production engine is quite silly.
PoleDriver said:
Devil2575 said:
This.
0-100 in <6 seconds in a road car isn't quick, it's bordering on insanity and IMHO completely irrelevant on the public highway.
It seems that you are in the wrong area.0-100 in <6 seconds in a road car isn't quick, it's bordering on insanity and IMHO completely irrelevant on the public highway.
Go out of the door, turn left, go to the end of the corridor then either left for Mumsnet or right for BRAKE.
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