RE: New BMW M2 spy shots
Discussion
Ares said:
PunterCam said:
Ares said:
cerb4.5lee said:
RobM77 said:
M engines used to be an event in terms of sound and character; think of the E46 M3 or the E92 M3 for example.
Yes loads of character...the S54 sounds tinny and wasp like and the S65 is muted and sounds nothing like a V8! I know what you are saying though!
Anyway, loving the look of the M2.
I think the information in this article is rather out of date apart from the pictures. I am reasonably sure that most sources have said that the engine will not be a detuned M4 engine with twin turbos (S55), rather an uprated N55 single turbo twinscroll (N55B30T0 ?) with some parts from the S55 ..and that originally a manual only version was touted, but that recent Nurburgring videos clearly hear a DCT/ZF being used.
I too am looking fwd to this car! be great to see a shootout with the new RS3!
I too am looking fwd to this car! be great to see a shootout with the new RS3!
Monkey_boy said:
I think the information in this article is rather out of date apart from the pictures. I am reasonably sure that most sources have said that the engine will not be a detuned M4 engine with twin turbos (S55), rather an uprated N55 single turbo twinscroll (N55B30T0 ?) with some parts from the S55 ..and that originally a manual only version was touted, but that recent Nurburgring videos clearly hear a DCT/ZF being used.
Correct. It's been 'known' for nearly a year, that the engine will be a tweeked N55, not a detuned S55 (in the same way the 1M had a tweeked N54)
Almost certainly it will have the option of DCT (rather than the ZF-8)
Looks good.
I love the idea of this car.
I only hope there is some clear space between the M4 & M2 in terms of pricing.
This car needs to be more than £10k cheaper than the M4.
If this were to match the hyper hatch prices of the A45 AMG & RS3 (i.e. c.£40k) then the car world will get a lot more interesting.
If it's nearer £50k I worry it'll be low volume irrelevance for most of us.
The popularity of the M135i showed that there is demand for a more affordable performance BMW.
I love the idea of this car.
I only hope there is some clear space between the M4 & M2 in terms of pricing.
This car needs to be more than £10k cheaper than the M4.
If this were to match the hyper hatch prices of the A45 AMG & RS3 (i.e. c.£40k) then the car world will get a lot more interesting.
If it's nearer £50k I worry it'll be low volume irrelevance for most of us.
The popularity of the M135i showed that there is demand for a more affordable performance BMW.
RobM77 said:
Krikkit said:
Looks over-wheeled to me. Can't argue with a twin turbo straight six though.
oo - I could! Take the standard straight 6 and improve intake and outake, change the cam timing, lighten the flywheel and other engine internals and that'd be far better and more befitting an M car than a hum-whoosh motor from a non-M car that now makes a bit more hum and whoosh. I'm sure the M2 will be great, and I suspect I'd absolutely love the way it drove, but in terms of the engine, I suspect it'll be a let down compared to M cars of the past. M engines used to be an event in terms of sound and character; think of the E46 M3 or the E92 M3 for example.
The world has changed and M division has thankfully changed with it.
Ferosferio said:
Ares said:
PunterCam said:
Ares said:
cerb4.5lee said:
RobM77 said:
M engines used to be an event in terms of sound and character; think of the E46 M3 or the E92 M3 for example.
Yes loads of character...the S54 sounds tinny and wasp like and the S65 is muted and sounds nothing like a V8! I know what you are saying though!
Anyway, loving the look of the M2.
Ares said:
I was more talking about the noise from outside. Cars never sound as good from the inside. One of the cruel facts about nice car ownership.
Unless its a diesel then it will sound better inside thanks to a different noise coming through the speakers and you certainly wouldn't want to listen to it from the outside that's for sure.Completely agree with you regards nice cars though and they mostly tend to sound better from the outside and you miss out when driving them because of all the refinement and sound deadening.
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