RE: Porsche 991 facelift

[David87]

The GT3 RS isn't even available yet and it's already out of date?! ;)

[rutthenut]

You mean no-one else has yet commented on the typo up there?

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Not a great choice of words to be paired together, imho, as my [gutter level] mind thinks it looks a bit like ejaculation

[EricE]

Don't think I would be able to tell the difference between a pre and post-facelift 991 and I like to think I know a thing or two about cars. Maybe they made it so conservative so nobody can tell who drives a nice n/a high displacement flat six and who drives the downsized 2.7 turbo.

Big question for me is the power output of the lower models (looking at the current crop of 2.0L i4 turbo hot hatches, both 981.2 and 991.2 could do with a +50 to +70 PS boost across the whole range) and whether they will keep a N/A engine for the GTS. GT3 and GT3 RS were already confirmed to stay N/A for the facelift.

Edited by EricE on Friday 17th July 10:32

[saxy]

The front reminds me of a bit of the R8.. and it's looking more glam. thicker chrome highlights. more bling. more girly imo

[Corranga]

I love that the black test mule doesn't have a badge on the bonnet. Obviously so that no one can recognise what it is..

[4oClock]

Thanks for the headline PH "Porsche 991 facelift undisguised"

[evilbill]

As has been said, a mid-life refresh, not a new model so not going to have massive changes but from what I can see

- new front bumper incorporating blade-like LED DRL's, the leading edge of which continues down to the front splitter. Also a 3 element grill below the lights and middle section rather than the 2 element one in the current car
- Turbo / GT3 style Wing Mirrors
- New front and rear lights
- Rear bumper has vents behind the rear wheels, only the Turbo has these just now. I expect extra cooling required now they are all turbos?

[Phooey]

[redroadster]

Porsches are just such well rounded practical sports cars , lots of jealousy towards them pity really but that's just how people are.

[patch5674]

EricE said:

whether they will keep a N/A engine for the GTS. GT3 and GT3 RS were already confirmed to stay N/A for the facelift.

Whilst not directly comparable I admit; the fact that Porsche has downsized/turbo'd the engine in the GTS Cayenne for me shows that they are not necessarily occupied with keeping the GTS brand synonymous with natural aspiration.

For me, the GTS will be the new turbo Carrera S engine in a higher state of tune just as it is now, otherwise they would find themselves in a position where the N/A 3.8 GTS would be less powerful than the new turbo Carrera S.

[nickfrog]

redroadster said:

Porsches are just such well rounded practical sports cars , lots of jealousy towards them pity really but that's just how people are.

Absolutely. People always find a good reason not to buy a £80k sport car that they have never driven.

[W12GT]

Phooey said:

I think that looks terrible and cheap. The line across the lights obviously follows the 981 models but somehow looks awkward. The rear looks very flat - almost A7 like. I really don't like the vertical grill as it conflict with the horizontal line above the lights.

So many people criticise the porsche designers for being to restrained as each generation is created - having seen these photos I am beginning to think that maybe they aren't lazy, mate they just aren't very imaginative.

Edited by W12GT on Saturday 18th July 22:11

[anglophile]

It still looks to big and bloated. It still has electric steering. It now adds turbos for only the same power output as the outgoing NA engines. Those turbo engines will only get better mileage at steady state cruising speeds, not when exercised. All this adds complexity, size, weight. Time for another light and lithe "911" again. They are as large as our Corvettes are now.

[Asterix]

Compared to a Nissan GTR?

[kambites]

anglophile said:

Time for another light and lithe "911" again. They are as large as our Corvettes are now.

That would be the Cayman, wouldn't it? Although whether you call that "light" is obviously down to personal interpretation.

Cars grow throughout the generations; this is nothing specific to the 911, compare a Golf now to a Golf 30 years ago. That's why manufacturers are continually slotting smaller cars in beneath their existing models. Soon we'll probably have a sub-Boxster Porsche too.


Personally, I think the 911 is commendably light; it's other places (most obviously the steering which used to be its forte) that it's gone depressingly down-hill in recent generations. However even that is sort of missing the point, the 911 is no longer meant to be a sports car, that's the Boxster/Cayman's job. It's evolved into an enormously capable GT and in that market, things like steering feel and throttle response are far less important.

I have absolutely no wish to own one but anyone who denies that the modern 911 is bloody good has probably misunderstood the point of the car, IMO.

Edited by kambites on Sunday 19th July 09:25

[fatboy b]

nickfrog said:

redroadster said:

Porsches are just such well rounded practical sports cars , lots of jealousy towards them pity really but that's just how people are.

Absolutely. People always find a good reason not to buy a £80k sport car that they have never driven.

My initial buying reason for a car is the looks, so no need to drive it in the case of a Porsche, as I don't like the look of them.

[fatboy b]

nickfrog said:

redroadster said:

Porsches are just such well rounded practical sports cars , lots of jealousy towards them pity really but that's just how people are.

Absolutely. People always find a good reason not to buy a £80k sport car that they have never driven.

My initial buying reason for a car is the looks, so no need to drive it in the case of a Porsche, as I never like the look of them.

Also why would anyone want to spend that sort of money on a new car that looks the same as it did 20-30+ years ago

Edited by fatboy b on Sunday 19th July 13:09

[kambites]

fatboy b said:

Also why would anyone want to spend that sort of money on a new car that looks the same as it did 20-30+ years ago

Because for many people, the main reason for buying a car is not the looks.

[Mermaid]

kambites said:

fatboy b said:

Also why would anyone want to spend that sort of money on a new car that looks the same as it did 20-30+ years ago

Because for many people, the main reason for buying a car is not the looks.

Imagine it had a Lada body from the get-go. That pretty frock matters, matters a lot to most people.

[Mermaid]

David87 said:

The GT3 RS isn't even available yet and it's already a classic;)

Fixed that for you