RE: Tesla 'Ludicrous Mode' introduced
Discussion
ikarl said:
But for quite a lot of people, probably the majority, they would never need that car that would go cruising past once the Teslas at 70/80mph. Very few people take their car on the track, or need to do 200 miles per day.
I genuinely don't understand that kind of bashing for these cars. For the majority of people they're much, much more than adequate.
I think the badgers are there because it's a sign of things to come - at goodwood festival of speed this year the Tesla was fast for sure but silent going up the hill. No fun to watch actually even if it mirrored a Gullwing mere for looks no noise would ruin it. I genuinely don't understand that kind of bashing for these cars. For the majority of people they're much, much more than adequate.
That's the crux. And piped music doesn't work.
A flat 12 Ferrari mmmm
A DBR9
Etc.
bodhi said:
Well the Greenpeace approved method would involve wind and solar power, but as both of them are fairly useless I'd suggest some sort of nuclear power station? Of course the crusties don't like that much either, so I suspect we'd end up using Coal and Gas 
So there's an "unlimited supply" of electricity to split hydrogen from water, but not an unlimited supply of electricity to power EVs despite the fact that the EVs need roughly a third as much electricity to cover the same distance as hydrogen fuel cell powered cars?You don't see a slight flaw in this logic?
kambites said:
So there's an "unlimited supply" of electricity to split hydrogen from water, but not an unlimited supply of electricity to power EVs despite the fact that the EVs need roughly a third as much electricity to cover the same distance as hydrogen fuel cell powered cars?
You don't see a slight flaw in this logic?
It simply loads up the govt to make the tough decisions. You don't see a slight flaw in this logic?
Actual zero emissions while using the car but energy generation is the crux of it.
If Tesla go through with the home generator so your a net grid contributor you'll be totally off grid.... Amazing.
This chap also is intending on sending people to Mars in 2025 with the aim of colony set up....
Carparticus said:
That would not have been one of the "quick" ones!! There are no privately owned P85Ds in the UK yet, let alone the daft version announced last week.
The 'Ludicrous' Tesla does 0-60 in 2.8s, 0-100 in 7s, and a standing quarter in 10.8s.
Whilst its not a track car in any sense of the word, those figures are impressive if you only want to dump that much power once or twice on the trot. To put the ss qtr figure into perspective :-
I'm still gobsmacked at those stats utterly incredible. The 'Ludicrous' Tesla does 0-60 in 2.8s, 0-100 in 7s, and a standing quarter in 10.8s.
Whilst its not a track car in any sense of the word, those figures are impressive if you only want to dump that much power once or twice on the trot. To put the ss qtr figure into perspective :-
Do we know what the speed it does the 1/4 in?
R8VXF said:
Can they also engineer in a nice lumpy idle feeling when selecting V8 mode please?
Much as we like that kind of thing, it is only there because it has to be, because of the nature of how the power is generated, due to friction, changes of direction, bumpy sticks and explosions, we like it because of what it means to us, if it had always been electric motors then we would have never said "Hey make it vibrate and rock when stood still"Rolls Royce and most other manufacturers spend a lot of time trying to drown out the racket and vibration from IC engines.
As a transition it is bigger than petrolheads, we will still be able to indulge our passion for noise and vibration but by and large Electric will be the way forward, to be honest I wont miss the sound of builders vans, mopeds and the tosser that delivers the papers in a turdy old Astra with R2 at full blast and no concept of what the button on the handbrake is for, but at least in the future the piston slap and clacking lifters will just be a smooth and quiet motor sound.
Noticed four charging stations appear at our local shops the other day, I find if quite exciting, not something to be feared, they will be better in pretty much every way, apart from the noise, and frankly, most IC engines do not stir the soul, even for Petrolheads.
bodhi said:
Whereas Hydrogen might well require new infrastructure, it does come with the massive bonus of pretty much unlimited supply - which neither EVs nor ICE based vehicles can boast.
Where is this unlimited supply? We have plenty of pre-burnt hydrogen around, but you will need lots and lots of energy to regenerate it.Hydrogen is not the answer. It's a terrible way of transferring energy from electrical power station to wheels. If you use it in a fuel cell, you are basically designing a battery which is inefficiently charged at the power station, shipped around the country in a bulky, heavy form, stored under high pressure and refrigeration. If you burn it in an internal combustion engine, you are insane, you are throwing most of the energy you've paid for away.
It is funny how there is a fair amount of scepticism, I totally get it but this is a seven seat sizeable saloon car and it is trading blows on performance with Supercars.
It isn't the answer to everything but it is early days, the electric motor is just a better solution, EV's just haven't had as much development as IC engined cars, it is just a better way to generate motive power, or it will be when the power storage is sorted. Whoever does get it sorted will be very, very rich.
It isn't the answer to everything but it is early days, the electric motor is just a better solution, EV's just haven't had as much development as IC engined cars, it is just a better way to generate motive power, or it will be when the power storage is sorted. Whoever does get it sorted will be very, very rich.
J4CKO said:
It is funny how there is a fair amount of scepticism, I totally get it but this is a seven seat sizeable saloon car and it is trading blows on performance with Supercars.
It isn't the answer to everything but it is early days, the electric motor is just a better solution, EV's just haven't had as much development as IC engined cars, it is just a better way to generate motive power, or it will be when the power storage is sorted. Whoever does get it sorted will be very, very rich.
Very true. It isn't the answer to everything but it is early days, the electric motor is just a better solution, EV's just haven't had as much development as IC engined cars, it is just a better way to generate motive power, or it will be when the power storage is sorted. Whoever does get it sorted will be very, very rich.
Hardly any moving parts the engineers dream - takes the wankel engine to the pinnacle.
Also the cost to produce is low and price he can sell them high. Massive margins, first mover advantage and certainly Halo product.
It's a nice other form of propulsion.
bodhi said:
Well the Greenpeace approved method would involve wind and solar power, but as both of them are fairly useless I'd suggest some sort of nuclear power station? Of course the crusties don't like that much either, so I suspect we'd end up using Coal and Gas
You do realise nearly everything living and dead on this planet ownes it's existence to 'useless' solar power....Including the petrol/diesel your pouring into your car.As I've said we share 50% of our DNA with the Banana, though some may have an extra 0.1% similarly to a Banana
bodhi said:
Yep, and the ones where a significantly cheaper (and less powerful) Datsun matches it off the line and then walks off into the distance - which just about every ICE vehicle faster than an M4 does after about 60 mph - even the M4, at half the price and with 2/3rds of the power, keeps it remarkably honest.
Isn't the base price of a Tesla P85 about 60k vs 80k for the GTR (unless you mean a different "Datsun")? The P85D is about the same price as a GTR IIRC.The only videos I've seen of Telsas vs GTR's have been the P85 model.
Edited to add...just looked up the M4 and that starts at about 60k and 400bhp, so very similar to the P85.
Edited by 98elise on Tuesday 21st July 20:05
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