RE: Tesla 'Ludicrous Mode' introduced

[glazbagun]

Welshbeef said:

2.8 to 62mph
7.0 to 100mph
10.8 1/4 mile

I wonder if the P120D "mental institution" or "Straight jacket" will be out before the end of next year.

Knowing that Elon Musk is quite a fan of Iain Banks, I'd like an "attitude adjuster" mod or a Rapid Offensive Unit/Very Fast Picket trim level.

[otolith]

glazbagun said:

Knowing that Elon Musk is quite a fan of Iain Banks, I'd like an "attitude adjuster" mod or a Rapid Offensive Unit/Very Fast Picket trim level.

Tesla's AMG/M sub-brand should be called "SC".

[mybrainhurts]

Welshbeef said:

sedan

A little less of that, if you please....

[glazbagun]

I was also idly thinking- with a few billion pounds worth of supercharging stations, and if Musk/a determined rival could build enough for demand, the IC car could be a specialist vehicle in less than a decade. Someone with a Gates/Buffetesque fortune could kill the western market for IC cars stone dead.

there are ~8500 petrol stations in the uk. Does anyone know what a supercharger costs to build?

[anonymous-user]

I've only driven the normal Model S and that was fast enough, or rather, too fast. It's way too fast to use at legal speeds. The powertrain is so impressive that I didn't really mind that it was electric. So, so impressive.

[Talksteer]

gangzoom said:

bodhi said:

Well the Greenpeace approved method would involve wind and solar power, but as both of them are fairly useless I'd suggest some sort of nuclear power station? Of course the crusties don't like that much either, so I suspect we'd end up using Coal and Gas

You do realise nearly everything living and dead on this planet ownes it's existence to 'useless' solar power....Including the petrol/diesel your pouring into your car.

As I've said we share 50% of our DNA with the Banana, though some may have an extra 0.1% similarly to a Banana

Have a read of this:

http://www.withouthotair.com/

To summarise, renewables in the UK is very difficult due to our levels of insolation and high population density. The amount of energy we can reliably derive from wind power is somewhat limited by the variability of the weather.

The best option is likely to be nuclear, however to paraphrase words of Winston Churchill democracies can be relied upon to do the right thing, after trying everything else.

[ZX10R NIN]

98elise said:

Isn't the base price of a Tesla P85 about 60k vs 80k for the GTR (unless you mean a different "Datsun")? The P85D is about the same price as a GTR IIRC.

The only videos I've seen of Telsas vs GTR's have been the P85 model.

Edited to add...just looked up the M4 and that starts at about 60k and 400bhp, so very similar to the P85.

Edited by 98elise on Tuesday 21st July 20:05

The Tesla is 85K before options, here's a 2015 Model S P85D 691bhp vs Panermera Turbo 562bhp 0-100-0 it's interesting.

<iframe width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/4x1nOLAdEtk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Edited by ZX10R NIN on Wednesday 22 July 07:39

[AndrewD]

glazbagun said:

I was also idly thinking- with a few billion pounds worth of supercharging stations, and if Musk/a determined rival could build enough for demand, the IC car could be a specialist vehicle in less than a decade. Someone with a Gates/Buffetesque fortune could kill the western market for IC cars stone dead.

there are ~8500 petrol stations in the uk. Does anyone know what a supercharger costs to build?

You realise it takes longer to charge than to fill up with fuel?
Charging stations need a different approach and become much more ubiquitous

[stuckmojo]

I found this video quite interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUW0l7bZn1s


I think this is the future for road transport. Any ICE in comparison looks like a dinosaur.

Don't get me wrong, I will always be a petrolhead at heart, will never sell my Harley Davidson and I lust for a G63 AMG, but one can appreciate both technologies.

[ZX10R NIN]

I think the Tesla is a good start (the interior is a great place to be) but with a real range of around 250 miles it's still a bit limited for me, but I understand why if you were looking for a saloon & had 85+k to spend why you'd look at one of these, also looking at what times customers have been getting I'd say the cars true 1/4 mile times are in the low to mid 11's.

[Welshbeef]

ZX10R NIN said:

I think the Tesla is a good start (the interior is a great place to be) but with a real range of around 250 miles it's still a bit limited for me, but I understand why if you were looking for a saloon & had 85+k to spend why you'd look at one of these, also looking at what times customers have been getting I'd say the cars true 1/4 mile times are in the low to mid 11's.

That's for the insanity version not the ludicrous version .

[Rincewind209]

Electric vehicles are the way forward. What worries me is the lower end vehicles that most will buy. Tesla is a high end product, heavily subsidised and able to use quality batteries. What about a Clio/108/Fiat 500 equivalent?

[ZX10R NIN]

Welshbeef said:

ZX10R NIN said:

I think the Tesla is a good start (the interior is a great place to be) but with a real range of around 250 miles it's still a bit limited for me, but I understand why if you were looking for a saloon & had 85+k to spend why you'd look at one of these, also looking at what times customers have been getting I'd say the cars true 1/4 mile times are in the low to mid 11's.

That's for the insanity version not the ludicrous version .

I know but people on here have been saying they do the 1/4 in 10's on insane mode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x1nOLAdEtk

0-100-0

[98elise]

ZX10R NIN said:

98elise said:

Isn't the base price of a Tesla P85 about 60k vs 80k for the GTR (unless you mean a different "Datsun")? The P85D is about the same price as a GTR IIRC.

The only videos I've seen of Telsas vs GTR's have been the P85 model.

Edited to add...just looked up the M4 and that starts at about 60k and 400bhp, so very similar to the P85.

Edited by 98elise on Tuesday 21st July 20:05

The Tesla is 85K before options, here's a 2015 Model S P85D 691bhp vs Panermera Turbo 562bhp 0-100-0 it's interesting.

<iframe width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/4x1nOLAdEtk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Edited by ZX10R NIN on Wednesday 22 July 07:39

Not according to their website. The basic price is from 50k to 80k depending on the drivetrain and battery options.

[98elise]

J4CKO said:

It is funny how there is a fair amount of scepticism, I totally get it but this is a seven seat sizeable saloon car and it is trading blows on performance with Supercars.

It isn't the answer to everything but it is early days, the electric motor is just a better solution, EV's just haven't had as much development as IC engined cars, it is just a better way to generate motive power, or it will be when the power storage is sorted. Whoever does get it sorted will be very, very rich.

It is the best way to provide motive power. Max torque from zero revs, and no need for a gearbox and clutch. 1 moving part in the motor, and very very reliable. What other 700bhp car can be as efficient as its 300bhp sibling.

The only real reason PH doesn't like it is because it doesn't vibrate and make a nice noise I can fully understand that as I will never buy one as a weekend toy. I would buy one to replace my daily driver in a heartbeat though.

Given that for 90% of the buying public noise isn't their top priority, then this is the future. Just think of all those people that buy diesels for the economy. EV's will just swallow that market. Exchange a noisy, dirty, polluting sack of spanners for a smooth reliable and efficient motor....where do I sign?

Charging at home will become second nature. Who doesn't have devices that they routinely charge every day? Would anyone prefer a phone that can't be charged at home, but can be done quickly if you go to a special shop every week? If I could fill car my car with petrol overnight rather than going to a garage then I would be doing that now

[Carparticus]

ZX10R NIN said:

The Tesla is 85K before options, here's a 2015 Model S P85D 691bhp vs Panermera Turbo 562bhp 0-100-0 it's interesting.

<iframe width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/4x1nOLAdEtk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Edited by ZX10R NIN on Wednesday 22 July 07:39

That 'old' Tesla was 85k WITH options. Also, that vid has been debunked on other forums for being sponsored by VAG group .. !!

Personally I find the £150k porker pretty fugly, even if it has got ceramic discs. I also wouldn’t want to waste time setting up launch mode every time either. Just think of the severe mechanical carnage going on every time the Teutonic lump launches. The other one pushes forward with magnetic fields.

But what I'd really like to know is why the Tesla driver doesn’t seem to know how to use his right foot at the start or end? funny that.


Eitherway, the now outdated P85D is still damn quick up to 100mph beyond which it will eventually get overtaken as shown in this clip against a 911 Turbo and an Aventador. Not bad for a 2 ton car that can charge from a 13amp mains socket !



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_UVU3uvBe4

[kambites]

98elise said:

Not according to their website. The basic price is from 50k to 80k depending on the drivetrain and battery options.

That 50k wouldn't be a P85, surely? It'd be a 70D? The original price comment was about the P85D.

[Tim16V]

JMF894 said:

Well it's not as if it wasn't fast enough to start with. Perhaps they should concentrate on making it go further rather than faster, and charge quicker?

Jimbo

They're so on the ball that they'll probably have that conundrum sorted out by next month.

[98elise]

kambites said:

98elise said:

Not according to their website. The basic price is from 50k to 80k depending on the drivetrain and battery options.

That 50k wouldn't be a P85, surely? It'd be a 70D? The original price comment was about the P85D.

Yes 50k is for the P70, the P85D is 80k, with the P85 somewhere in the middle. There are about 6 Tesla Model S drive/motor/battery options now even without this extra performance option.

[Welshbeef]

According to EVO the model X (the family SUV) will have a 0-62mph of 3.3 seconds a touch slower.

Remarkable.