RE: Tesla 'Ludicrous Mode' introduced
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Before the year is out Tesla will also have announced...
1: The Model X, which is set to be the fastest accelerating SUV EVER!!
2: The much anticipated autopilot software is going to be released.
3; Introduced a new material to the battery anode - Silicon, which will in theory lead to a rise in battery density.
By the end of 2016 we will know what the Model 3 will look like, there is no doubt the Model X and Model S will get more upgrades, AND the battery factory will have started producing its first battery packs.
It's also worth noting the current P85D/P90D are results of realiabilty improvement drives from Tesla - Apprently they are trying to develop a 1 million mile drivetrain....So just how fast can EVs get when Tesla actually decide to focus on performance....The new Roadster is going to set a new bar for perfromance cars.
Like it or not Tesla have shown the internal combustion engine is slow, inefficient, unrealible, and expensive to produce (Tesla have a massive 25% margin) compared to the electric motor. The internal combustion engine is dead end technology, it's served its time and needs to go, like Nokia/Blackberry in a world of Apple/Android phones.
1: The Model X, which is set to be the fastest accelerating SUV EVER!!
2: The much anticipated autopilot software is going to be released.
3; Introduced a new material to the battery anode - Silicon, which will in theory lead to a rise in battery density.
By the end of 2016 we will know what the Model 3 will look like, there is no doubt the Model X and Model S will get more upgrades, AND the battery factory will have started producing its first battery packs.
It's also worth noting the current P85D/P90D are results of realiabilty improvement drives from Tesla - Apprently they are trying to develop a 1 million mile drivetrain....So just how fast can EVs get when Tesla actually decide to focus on performance....The new Roadster is going to set a new bar for perfromance cars.
Like it or not Tesla have shown the internal combustion engine is slow, inefficient, unrealible, and expensive to produce (Tesla have a massive 25% margin) compared to the electric motor. The internal combustion engine is dead end technology, it's served its time and needs to go, like Nokia/Blackberry in a world of Apple/Android phones.
Jamiae said:
JD said:
anonymous said:
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You drove for 9 hours without stopping?I can't go that long without needing the toilet, or drinking, or eating. Or all three.
I think this development is more exciting news, and don't think there's been any mainstream manufacturer with more exciting recent announcements. I really want a Tesla, I think the lack of vibrations are making exploding fuel in any ICE seem outdated. A Tesla and an Aston V12/Merc V8 or something with similar epic noise would be a pretty perfect 2-car garage. However, I have a day every other week with a 350-mile round trip. 175 miles to see a client, then spend a few hours there, then a 175 mile trip back. It's 3-3.5 hours on a motorway each way, without a charging point I can use there. So each journey is manageable without a stop, and I don't really want to lose 30 minutes early on my journey home.
So I could have a Tesla for every other journey, then use the diesel every other week for this longer range trip. But then I feel I'm paying a premium adopting this technology before it's completely suitable for my needs, so feel I need to wait for the range to get to 400 miles - but please don't make me wait too long!
(I think the roadster range might suffice, but doubt an Elise based car is that suitable for a round-trip motorway commute either)
On average a car is driven 30 miles per day. Thats over a week on a single charge. The last time I drove long distance it was 300 miles, and we stopped at a service station for an hour around the mid point, plenty of time to recharge at a supercharger.
A Tesla will do just fine for me, and I will buy one as soon as they are in my price bracket.
98elise said:
A Tesla will do just fine for me, and I will buy one as soon as they are in my price bracket.
Me too and me too (for the family car). The last time we did a trip in one of our own cars which the Tesla couldn't have coped with something like six or seven years ago when we drove up around Scotland and even then we never did 300 miles in a day, the only problem would have been that the Hotels/B&Bs we were staying in didn't have charging points and that will change. I think driving over 300 miles without a significant break is pretty rare. I've done it once in my life (Igoumenitsa in Greece to Yambol in Bulgaria). We couldn't do it if we wanted to now we have a baby because you're not meant to leave them in a child seat for more than an hour and a half without a significant break.
Edited by kambites on Tuesday 21st July 07:40
glazbagun said:
So with an idealised Tesla in a perfect world with no air friction, doing a full blown dragstrip launch from the lights to 60 wouldn't harm your remaining battery range any more than had you trundled up to 60 whilst finding the track you wanted on your stereo?
Not quite.Electric motors are not 100% efficient either or even constant over load.
Similar with batteries - they work best under light load and taking a huge chunk quickly hurts more than a trickle feed.
So driving style will still impact real world things.
Then you have heat issues to deal with too.
The one thing about a IC car is that it could do 0-60 times until you ran out of petrol or tyres.
Battery cars are very sensitive to heat so would need a rest before the IC car
anonymous said:
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Indeed. Assuming battery prices continue to fall and energy density continues to rise at the sort of rate they're currently predicting, two things will happen. Firstly range will increase and secondly prices will drop, ultimately to the point that it'd be easily worth owning an EV and hiring an ICE powered car on the odd occasion you want to go a long way. Looking at our driving over the last few years, if we had a 200 mile range EV for the family car we'd need to hire an ICE maybe twice a decade.
ads_green said:
glazbagun said:
So with an idealised Tesla in a perfect world with no air friction, doing a full blown dragstrip launch from the lights to 60 wouldn't harm your remaining battery range any more than had you trundled up to 60 whilst finding the track you wanted on your stereo?
Not quite.Electric motors are not 100% efficient either or even constant over load.
Similar with batteries - they work best under light load and taking a huge chunk quickly hurts more than a trickle feed.
So driving style will still impact real world things.
Then you have heat issues to deal with too.
The one thing about a IC car is that it could do 0-60 times until you ran out of petrol or tyres.
Battery cars are very sensitive to heat so would need a rest before the IC car
gangzoom said:
Before the year is out Tesla will also have announced...
1: The Model X, which is set to be the fastest accelerating SUV EVER!!
2: The much anticipated autopilot software is going to be released.
3; Introduced a new material to the battery anode - Silicon, which will in theory lead to a rise in battery density.
By the end of 2016 we will know what the Model 3 will look like, there is no doubt the Model X and Model S will get more upgrades, AND the battery factory will have started producing its first battery packs.
It's also worth noting the current P85D/P90D are results of realiabilty improvement drives from Tesla - Apprently they are trying to develop a 1 million mile drivetrain....So just how fast can EVs get when Tesla actually decide to focus on performance....The new Roadster is going to set a new bar for perfromance cars.
Like it or not Tesla have shown the internal combustion engine is slow, inefficient, unrealible, and expensive to produce (Tesla have a massive 25% margin) compared to the electric motor. The internal combustion engine is dead end technology, it's served its time and needs to go, like Nokia/Blackberry in a world of Apple/Android phones.
Can't say I share your excitement - whilst the Tesla may be quick off the line it drops off quite a lot after about 60, at which point a car with a proper drivetrain is just getting going - there are plenty of YouTube vids out there of Teslas beating ICE cars off the line, then get passed as if they are standing still. 1: The Model X, which is set to be the fastest accelerating SUV EVER!!
2: The much anticipated autopilot software is going to be released.
3; Introduced a new material to the battery anode - Silicon, which will in theory lead to a rise in battery density.
By the end of 2016 we will know what the Model 3 will look like, there is no doubt the Model X and Model S will get more upgrades, AND the battery factory will have started producing its first battery packs.
It's also worth noting the current P85D/P90D are results of realiabilty improvement drives from Tesla - Apprently they are trying to develop a 1 million mile drivetrain....So just how fast can EVs get when Tesla actually decide to focus on performance....The new Roadster is going to set a new bar for perfromance cars.
Like it or not Tesla have shown the internal combustion engine is slow, inefficient, unrealible, and expensive to produce (Tesla have a massive 25% margin) compared to the electric motor. The internal combustion engine is dead end technology, it's served its time and needs to go, like Nokia/Blackberry in a world of Apple/Android phones.
Proper cars can do more than a minute and a half round the Nurburgring before dropping into limp home mode too. Add in uninspiring looks, a comically bad interior (the plastics are shocking and that screen is just wrong), still frankly pathetic range for a large saloon and it's reliance on batteries (which are their own environmental disaster waiting to happen, and require a resource more scarce than oil to make), then I'm sorry, I'm not entirely sure what Musk is providing the answer to. They probably help a few rich Californians with their sense of guilt, and will save a few company directors on their tax bills, but otherwise, I really don't see the point. If they were at the forefront of Hydrogen development or something else useful then I could see the point, but leading us down a path the National Grid and world's Lithium supply will struggle to support in 20 years time?
Now that's what I call a dead end.
mybrainhurts said:
dlockhart said:
budfox said:
My Nissan Leaf isn't in the same league, but my God it gets to 40MPH quickly.
low end torque from petrol and diesel engines is laughable in comparison. (Mitsubishi I-Miev BTW)
bodhi said:
gangzoom said:
Before the year is out Tesla will also have announced...
1: The Model X, which is set to be the fastest accelerating SUV EVER!!
2: The much anticipated autopilot software is going to be released.
3; Introduced a new material to the battery anode - Silicon, which will in theory lead to a rise in battery density.
By the end of 2016 we will know what the Model 3 will look like, there is no doubt the Model X and Model S will get more upgrades, AND the battery factory will have started producing its first battery packs.
It's also worth noting the current P85D/P90D are results of realiabilty improvement drives from Tesla - Apprently they are trying to develop a 1 million mile drivetrain....So just how fast can EVs get when Tesla actually decide to focus on performance....The new Roadster is going to set a new bar for perfromance cars.
Like it or not Tesla have shown the internal combustion engine is slow, inefficient, unrealible, and expensive to produce (Tesla have a massive 25% margin) compared to the electric motor. The internal combustion engine is dead end technology, it's served its time and needs to go, like Nokia/Blackberry in a world of Apple/Android phones.
Can't say I share your excitement - whilst the Tesla may be quick off the line it drops off quite a lot after about 60, at which point a car with a proper drivetrain is just getting going - there are plenty of YouTube vids out there of Teslas beating ICE cars off the line, then get passed as if they are standing still. 1: The Model X, which is set to be the fastest accelerating SUV EVER!!
2: The much anticipated autopilot software is going to be released.
3; Introduced a new material to the battery anode - Silicon, which will in theory lead to a rise in battery density.
By the end of 2016 we will know what the Model 3 will look like, there is no doubt the Model X and Model S will get more upgrades, AND the battery factory will have started producing its first battery packs.
It's also worth noting the current P85D/P90D are results of realiabilty improvement drives from Tesla - Apprently they are trying to develop a 1 million mile drivetrain....So just how fast can EVs get when Tesla actually decide to focus on performance....The new Roadster is going to set a new bar for perfromance cars.
Like it or not Tesla have shown the internal combustion engine is slow, inefficient, unrealible, and expensive to produce (Tesla have a massive 25% margin) compared to the electric motor. The internal combustion engine is dead end technology, it's served its time and needs to go, like Nokia/Blackberry in a world of Apple/Android phones.
Proper cars can do more than a minute and a half round the Nurburgring before dropping into limp home mode too. Add in uninspiring looks, a comically bad interior (the plastics are shocking and that screen is just wrong), still frankly pathetic range for a large saloon and it's reliance on batteries (which are their own environmental disaster waiting to happen, and require a resource more scarce than oil to make), then I'm sorry, I'm not entirely sure what Musk is providing the answer to. They probably help a few rich Californians with their sense of guilt, and will save a few company directors on their tax bills, but otherwise, I really don't see the point. If they were at the forefront of Hydrogen development or something else useful then I could see the point, but leading us down a path the National Grid and world's Lithium supply will struggle to support in 20 years time?
Now that's what I call a dead end.
Batteries may not be that environmentally friendly, but are you saying oil is derived from unicorn tears? Oil production has a pretty poor environment record!
Hydrogen is just a very inefficient way of storing electrical energy and requires an entirely new infrastructure.
bodhi said:
Proper cars can do more than a minute and a half round the Nurburgring before dropping into limp home mode too.
Speaking of the Nurburgring - are there lap times available for either the Tesla or the Mugen electric bike John McGuiness used in this year's TTZero?Given the Mugen can do a full lap of the Snaefell course with minimal power saving, it should be able to get round the Nurburgring at full output.
Daston said:
I would happily have one as an every day car. I don't tend to do many miles (just over 2k last year) and tend to use the RX when we do long trips.
If they do one that is more Focus/Golf size I would be all over it....providing it isn't priced stupid amounts.
The Model 3 should be Focus/Golf sized, and will be about 30k with a range of 200 miles. There isn't a lot of detail yet as the Model X SUV is next.If they do one that is more Focus/Golf size I would be all over it....providing it isn't priced stupid amounts.
98elise said:
ads_green said:
glazbagun said:
So with an idealised Tesla in a perfect world with no air friction, doing a full blown dragstrip launch from the lights to 60 wouldn't harm your remaining battery range any more than had you trundled up to 60 whilst finding the track you wanted on your stereo?
Not quite.Electric motors are not 100% efficient either or even constant over load.
Similar with batteries - they work best under light load and taking a huge chunk quickly hurts more than a trickle feed.
So driving style will still impact real world things.
Then you have heat issues to deal with too.
The one thing about a IC car is that it could do 0-60 times until you ran out of petrol or tyres.
Battery cars are very sensitive to heat so would need a rest before the IC car
98elise said:
You mean the Lambo and Ferrari videos where the 7 seater saloon car costing half as much beats them off the line
Batteries may not be that environmentally friendly, but are you saying oil is derived from unicorn tears? Oil production has a pretty poor environment record!
Hydrogen is just a very inefficient way of storing electrical energy and requires an entirely new infrastructure.
Yep, and the ones where a significantly cheaper (and less powerful) Datsun matches it off the line and then walks off into the distance - which just about every ICE vehicle faster than an M4 does after about 60 mph - even the M4, at half the price and with 2/3rds of the power, keeps it remarkably honest. Batteries may not be that environmentally friendly, but are you saying oil is derived from unicorn tears? Oil production has a pretty poor environment record!
Hydrogen is just a very inefficient way of storing electrical energy and requires an entirely new infrastructure.
Oil is hardly derived from Unicorn tears - I'm well aware of the Environmental Issues with oil extraction - however we are just replacing one nasty chemical with another - hardly forward thinking in my book. In fact you're pretty much adding another large amount of a nasty chemical - bearing in mind there will still be plenty of oil derived products in a Tesla - unless those swatches of nasty plastic inside are made by recycling those things that keep biscuits in order in a biscuit tin.
Whereas Hydrogen might well require new infrastructure, it does come with the massive bonus of pretty much unlimited supply - which neither EVs nor ICE based vehicles can boast.
andrewrob said:
98elise said:
ads_green said:
glazbagun said:
So with an idealised Tesla in a perfect world with no air friction, doing a full blown dragstrip launch from the lights to 60 wouldn't harm your remaining battery range any more than had you trundled up to 60 whilst finding the track you wanted on your stereo?
Not quite.Electric motors are not 100% efficient either or even constant over load.
Similar with batteries - they work best under light load and taking a huge chunk quickly hurts more than a trickle feed.
So driving style will still impact real world things.
Then you have heat issues to deal with too.
The one thing about a IC car is that it could do 0-60 times until you ran out of petrol or tyres.
Battery cars are very sensitive to heat so would need a rest before the IC car
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