Golf GTI or GTD? Which one would you have?
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I'm actually quite taken with these at the moment.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
Same power as the GTI PP plus quattro AWD, well-equipped as standard for an Audi and actually a bit cheaper than the Golf (and the Leon for that matter). It's probably the first new Audi that has appealed to me for a while and I reckon thanks to more exclusivity than the Golf, the residuals will be excellent. Yes, it is a bit smaller though.
An ex-demonstrator looks the way to go, as you can get one with some of the costly quattropack fitted for about 25k (or about 1k less than a bog standard new one). Vegas yellow, Misano red or Sepang blue though and does the contrasing black roof that a lot of them seem to come with look good or not?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
Same power as the GTI PP plus quattro AWD, well-equipped as standard for an Audi and actually a bit cheaper than the Golf (and the Leon for that matter). It's probably the first new Audi that has appealed to me for a while and I reckon thanks to more exclusivity than the Golf, the residuals will be excellent. Yes, it is a bit smaller though.
An ex-demonstrator looks the way to go, as you can get one with some of the costly quattropack fitted for about 25k (or about 1k less than a bog standard new one). Vegas yellow, Misano red or Sepang blue though and does the contrasing black roof that a lot of them seem to come with look good or not?
white_goodman said:
I'm actually quite taken with these at the moment.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
Same power as the GTI PP plus quattro AWD, well-equipped as standard for an Audi and actually a bit cheaper than the Golf (and the Leon for that matter). It's probably the first new Audi that has appealed to me for a while and I reckon thanks to more exclusivity than the Golf, the residuals will be excellent. Yes, it is a bit smaller though.
An ex-demonstrator looks the way to go, as you can get one with some of the costly quattropack fitted for about 25k (or about 1k less than a bog standard new one). Vegas yellow, Misano red or Sepang blue though and does the contrasing black roof that a lot of them seem to come with look good or not?
Nice car. Personally I think that model does look a little bit girly though.http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
Same power as the GTI PP plus quattro AWD, well-equipped as standard for an Audi and actually a bit cheaper than the Golf (and the Leon for that matter). It's probably the first new Audi that has appealed to me for a while and I reckon thanks to more exclusivity than the Golf, the residuals will be excellent. Yes, it is a bit smaller though.
An ex-demonstrator looks the way to go, as you can get one with some of the costly quattropack fitted for about 25k (or about 1k less than a bog standard new one). Vegas yellow, Misano red or Sepang blue though and does the contrasing black roof that a lot of them seem to come with look good or not?
I've just been through this process for my next company car and doing only 10-12k a year my preference was always to get out of a diesel asap
To my relied because of the list price (more than £1k more) and the new gti's emissions, in terms of tax its circa £40 a month more which I'm happy to pay!
I'm less impressed with the 6 month build time on the GTi though!!
To my relied because of the list price (more than £1k more) and the new gti's emissions, in terms of tax its circa £40 a month more which I'm happy to pay!
I'm less impressed with the 6 month build time on the GTi though!!
xjay1337 said:
Ive got about £6000 sunk into my car onthe engine and transmission alone. Others may do itto save money - if they do, whats the problem with that?
There's nothing wrong with trying to save money at all. It's just amusing when people try to say it's nothing to do with money when it clearly is.St John Smythe said:
white_goodman said:
I'm actually quite taken with these at the moment.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
Same power as the GTI PP plus quattro AWD, well-equipped as standard for an Audi and actually a bit cheaper than the Golf (and the Leon for that matter). It's probably the first new Audi that has appealed to me for a while and I reckon thanks to more exclusivity than the Golf, the residuals will be excellent. Yes, it is a bit smaller though.
An ex-demonstrator looks the way to go, as you can get one with some of the costly quattropack fitted for about 25k (or about 1k less than a bog standard new one). Vegas yellow, Misano red or Sepang blue though and does the contrasing black roof that a lot of them seem to come with look good or not?
Nice car. Personally I think that model does look a little bit girly though.http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
Same power as the GTI PP plus quattro AWD, well-equipped as standard for an Audi and actually a bit cheaper than the Golf (and the Leon for that matter). It's probably the first new Audi that has appealed to me for a while and I reckon thanks to more exclusivity than the Golf, the residuals will be excellent. Yes, it is a bit smaller though.
An ex-demonstrator looks the way to go, as you can get one with some of the costly quattropack fitted for about 25k (or about 1k less than a bog standard new one). Vegas yellow, Misano red or Sepang blue though and does the contrasing black roof that a lot of them seem to come with look good or not?
The A1/S1 is a girly car IMO, it may be more exclusive but the majority of people will just think it is a diesel A1, just like my ST looks identical to the 1L ecoboost models. But that can be a good thing for anhilating Mr A4/A6 2L tdu . For me I'd rather have the FWD Golf with the diff over nearly any VAG 4WD equivalent.
white_goodman said:
OK, an update. People have been recommending SEAT Cupras to me for years (although two of my best friends have owned SEATs and never again), so I popped on to the configurator on their website as I actually don't mind the look of the new Leon (the old one was nice at the back but I hated the MPV-ish front) and having expected a cut-price GTI, I was disappointed to discover that it was actually more expensive than a GTI!
Wtf? Where's the value there? I guess the argument is that you're getting an extra 50bhp for virtually the same price but then if you have to have the power, it's only a small step-up price-wise to the more powerful and AWD Golf R. I hear some of the options available on the Golf are not available on the Leon and also what a boring monochrome colour range. Being a SEAT, I was expecting the option of yellow, orange or lime green but the only bright colours were the red and the metallic blue. My favourite colours on the GTI are probably the retro colours like the red and white (always preferred these to the Lhasa/Oak Green so popular on the mk1s and 2s). Even looking at used Cupras up to 5 years old, I don't see a significant saving over the GTI like-for-like in terms of age and mileage.
The only hot hatches that seem to offer any value nowadays are the Ford STs and the Skoda Octavia vRS. The Skoda is a great car I'm sure but a bit bigger than I really want and I remain unconvinced by the Focus ST, although I applaud Ford for their 3-tier performance range (ST1, ST2, ST3 etc). The Fiesta ST seems priced about right, although isn't this how much the mk2 Focus ST cost when it was launched 10 years ago?
What I would like to see in the hot hatch market is a bit less willy waving i.e. our car has the most power and is the fastest around the Nurburgring and lower prices achieved through less power (200bhp is ample in a FWDer) and less kit. The launch price of the mk5 GTI was 20k but you had to add things like cruise, 18" alloys, heated seats etc but that was fine. When I configured my ideal spec for a mk7 GTI (Red 5 door manual with PP), I didn't need to add anything else because everything now seems to be standard. I know people will say inflation blah, blah, blah but back in 2005, I could have easily afforded a new GTI, whereas a new GTI in 2015 is right at the top end of what I can afford and I am earning significantly more than I was 10 years ago.
I am on agreement with nearly everything you have said... however, the Leon Cupra 280 is a cut price Golf R if you like (in my mind)and the Leon 1.8 tsi would be a cut price GTI... I guess it depends on how you look at it.Wtf? Where's the value there? I guess the argument is that you're getting an extra 50bhp for virtually the same price but then if you have to have the power, it's only a small step-up price-wise to the more powerful and AWD Golf R. I hear some of the options available on the Golf are not available on the Leon and also what a boring monochrome colour range. Being a SEAT, I was expecting the option of yellow, orange or lime green but the only bright colours were the red and the metallic blue. My favourite colours on the GTI are probably the retro colours like the red and white (always preferred these to the Lhasa/Oak Green so popular on the mk1s and 2s). Even looking at used Cupras up to 5 years old, I don't see a significant saving over the GTI like-for-like in terms of age and mileage.
The only hot hatches that seem to offer any value nowadays are the Ford STs and the Skoda Octavia vRS. The Skoda is a great car I'm sure but a bit bigger than I really want and I remain unconvinced by the Focus ST, although I applaud Ford for their 3-tier performance range (ST1, ST2, ST3 etc). The Fiesta ST seems priced about right, although isn't this how much the mk2 Focus ST cost when it was launched 10 years ago?
What I would like to see in the hot hatch market is a bit less willy waving i.e. our car has the most power and is the fastest around the Nurburgring and lower prices achieved through less power (200bhp is ample in a FWDer) and less kit. The launch price of the mk5 GTI was 20k but you had to add things like cruise, 18" alloys, heated seats etc but that was fine. When I configured my ideal spec for a mk7 GTI (Red 5 door manual with PP), I didn't need to add anything else because everything now seems to be standard. I know people will say inflation blah, blah, blah but back in 2005, I could have easily afforded a new GTI, whereas a new GTI in 2015 is right at the top end of what I can afford and I am earning significantly more than I was 10 years ago.
In regard to pricing I usually measure cars against the cheapest broker prices offered by brokers (finance4cars.co.uk for example) and compare from that, RRP's for all cars are ridiculous.
white_goodman said:
I'm actually quite taken with these at the moment.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
Same power as the GTI PP plus quattro AWD, well-equipped as standard for an Audi and actually a bit cheaper than the Golf (and the Leon for that matter). It's probably the first new Audi that has appealed to me for a while and I reckon thanks to more exclusivity than the Golf, the residuals will be excellent. Yes, it is a bit smaller though.
An ex-demonstrator looks the way to go, as you can get one with some of the costly quattropack fitted for about 25k (or about 1k less than a bog standard new one). Vegas yellow, Misano red or Sepang blue though and does the contrasing black roof that a lot of them seem to come with look good or not?
Not seen many S1s around, one drove past me while I was on foot the other day, looked lovely. One of the many dark blues they do, black roof http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
Same power as the GTI PP plus quattro AWD, well-equipped as standard for an Audi and actually a bit cheaper than the Golf (and the Leon for that matter). It's probably the first new Audi that has appealed to me for a while and I reckon thanks to more exclusivity than the Golf, the residuals will be excellent. Yes, it is a bit smaller though.
An ex-demonstrator looks the way to go, as you can get one with some of the costly quattropack fitted for about 25k (or about 1k less than a bog standard new one). Vegas yellow, Misano red or Sepang blue though and does the contrasing black roof that a lot of them seem to come with look good or not?
Perfect size for me. Significantly smaller than a Golf mind.
ETA: It was being driven by a woman, if you find that a problem.
neil1jnr said:
St John Smythe said:
white_goodman said:
I'm actually quite taken with these at the moment.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
Same power as the GTI PP plus quattro AWD, well-equipped as standard for an Audi and actually a bit cheaper than the Golf (and the Leon for that matter). It's probably the first new Audi that has appealed to me for a while and I reckon thanks to more exclusivity than the Golf, the residuals will be excellent. Yes, it is a bit smaller though.
An ex-demonstrator looks the way to go, as you can get one with some of the costly quattropack fitted for about 25k (or about 1k less than a bog standard new one). Vegas yellow, Misano red or Sepang blue though and does the contrasing black roof that a lot of them seem to come with look good or not?
Nice car. Personally I think that model does look a little bit girly though.http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
Same power as the GTI PP plus quattro AWD, well-equipped as standard for an Audi and actually a bit cheaper than the Golf (and the Leon for that matter). It's probably the first new Audi that has appealed to me for a while and I reckon thanks to more exclusivity than the Golf, the residuals will be excellent. Yes, it is a bit smaller though.
An ex-demonstrator looks the way to go, as you can get one with some of the costly quattropack fitted for about 25k (or about 1k less than a bog standard new one). Vegas yellow, Misano red or Sepang blue though and does the contrasing black roof that a lot of them seem to come with look good or not?
The A1/S1 is a girly car IMO, it may be more exclusive but the majority of people will just think it is a diesel A1, just like my ST looks identical to the 1L ecoboost models. But that can be a good thing for anhilating Mr A4/A6 2L tdu . For me I'd rather have the FWD Golf with the diff over nearly any VAG 4WD equivalent.
tomjol said:
Not seen many S1s around, one drove past me while I was on foot the other day, looked lovely. One of the many dark blues they do, black roof
Perfect size for me. Significantly smaller than a Golf mind.
ETA: It was being driven by a woman, if you find that a problem.
It's the 'Mini' of the Audi range, that's for sure.Perfect size for me. Significantly smaller than a Golf mind.
ETA: It was being driven by a woman, if you find that a problem.
tomjol said:
All that jazz said:
It's an average...All that jazz said:
tomjol said:
No it's someone pressing the mpg reset button whilst doing 43mph on a flat piece of M6 and then taking a picture. The same story behind all the other "ooh look how economical my car is" posts. Back in the real world it'll actually be averaging about 45mpg from normal driving, the same as the vast majority of other modern diesels.All that jazz said:
tomjol said:
Or you could just take it at face value...
Yeah, nearly 80mpg from a 1.4 tonne car with 181hp. Seems legit. Now if I post up a picture reading 120 MPG and claim that's normal, you'll be fully entitled to call that out as "overrun bullst"
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