Golf GTI or GTD? Which one would you have?

Golf GTI or GTD? Which one would you have?

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white_goodman

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4,042 posts

190 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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I'm actually quite taken with these at the moment.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

Same power as the GTI PP plus quattro AWD, well-equipped as standard for an Audi and actually a bit cheaper than the Golf (and the Leon for that matter). It's probably the first new Audi that has appealed to me for a while and I reckon thanks to more exclusivity than the Golf, the residuals will be excellent. Yes, it is a bit smaller though.

An ex-demonstrator looks the way to go, as you can get one with some of the costly quattropack fitted for about 25k (or about 1k less than a bog standard new one). Vegas yellow, Misano red or Sepang blue though and does the contrasing black roof that a lot of them seem to come with look good or not?

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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white_goodman said:
I'm actually quite taken with these at the moment.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

Same power as the GTI PP plus quattro AWD, well-equipped as standard for an Audi and actually a bit cheaper than the Golf (and the Leon for that matter). It's probably the first new Audi that has appealed to me for a while and I reckon thanks to more exclusivity than the Golf, the residuals will be excellent. Yes, it is a bit smaller though.

An ex-demonstrator looks the way to go, as you can get one with some of the costly quattropack fitted for about 25k (or about 1k less than a bog standard new one). Vegas yellow, Misano red or Sepang blue though and does the contrasing black roof that a lot of them seem to come with look good or not?
Nice car. Personally I think that model does look a little bit girly though.

Chr1sch

2,585 posts

192 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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I've just been through this process for my next company car and doing only 10-12k a year my preference was always to get out of a diesel asap

To my relied because of the list price (more than £1k more) and the new gti's emissions, in terms of tax its circa £40 a month more which I'm happy to pay!

I'm less impressed with the 6 month build time on the GTi though!!

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

254 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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xjay1337 said:
Ive got about £6000 sunk into my car onthe engine and transmission alone. Others may do itto save money - if they do, whats the problem with that?
There's nothing wrong with trying to save money at all. It's just amusing when people try to say it's nothing to do with money when it clearly is.

neil1jnr

1,460 posts

154 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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St John Smythe said:
white_goodman said:
I'm actually quite taken with these at the moment.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

Same power as the GTI PP plus quattro AWD, well-equipped as standard for an Audi and actually a bit cheaper than the Golf (and the Leon for that matter). It's probably the first new Audi that has appealed to me for a while and I reckon thanks to more exclusivity than the Golf, the residuals will be excellent. Yes, it is a bit smaller though.

An ex-demonstrator looks the way to go, as you can get one with some of the costly quattropack fitted for about 25k (or about 1k less than a bog standard new one). Vegas yellow, Misano red or Sepang blue though and does the contrasing black roof that a lot of them seem to come with look good or not?
Nice car. Personally I think that model does look a little bit girly though.
As bizarre as your posts usually are, I agree with you here.

The A1/S1 is a girly car IMO, it may be more exclusive but the majority of people will just think it is a diesel A1, just like my ST looks identical to the 1L ecoboost models. But that can be a good thing for anhilating Mr A4/A6 2L tdu wink. For me I'd rather have the FWD Golf with the diff over nearly any VAG 4WD equivalent.

neil1jnr

1,460 posts

154 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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white_goodman said:
OK, an update. People have been recommending SEAT Cupras to me for years (although two of my best friends have owned SEATs and never again), so I popped on to the configurator on their website as I actually don't mind the look of the new Leon (the old one was nice at the back but I hated the MPV-ish front) and having expected a cut-price GTI, I was disappointed to discover that it was actually more expensive than a GTI!

Wtf? Where's the value there? I guess the argument is that you're getting an extra 50bhp for virtually the same price but then if you have to have the power, it's only a small step-up price-wise to the more powerful and AWD Golf R. I hear some of the options available on the Golf are not available on the Leon and also what a boring monochrome colour range. Being a SEAT, I was expecting the option of yellow, orange or lime green but the only bright colours were the red and the metallic blue. My favourite colours on the GTI are probably the retro colours like the red and white (always preferred these to the Lhasa/Oak Green so popular on the mk1s and 2s). Even looking at used Cupras up to 5 years old, I don't see a significant saving over the GTI like-for-like in terms of age and mileage.

The only hot hatches that seem to offer any value nowadays are the Ford STs and the Skoda Octavia vRS. The Skoda is a great car I'm sure but a bit bigger than I really want and I remain unconvinced by the Focus ST, although I applaud Ford for their 3-tier performance range (ST1, ST2, ST3 etc). The Fiesta ST seems priced about right, although isn't this how much the mk2 Focus ST cost when it was launched 10 years ago?

What I would like to see in the hot hatch market is a bit less willy waving i.e. our car has the most power and is the fastest around the Nurburgring and lower prices achieved through less power (200bhp is ample in a FWDer) and less kit. The launch price of the mk5 GTI was 20k but you had to add things like cruise, 18" alloys, heated seats etc but that was fine. When I configured my ideal spec for a mk7 GTI (Red 5 door manual with PP), I didn't need to add anything else because everything now seems to be standard. I know people will say inflation blah, blah, blah but back in 2005, I could have easily afforded a new GTI, whereas a new GTI in 2015 is right at the top end of what I can afford and I am earning significantly more than I was 10 years ago.
I am on agreement with nearly everything you have said... however, the Leon Cupra 280 is a cut price Golf R if you like (in my mind)and the Leon 1.8 tsi would be a cut price GTI... I guess it depends on how you look at it.

In regard to pricing I usually measure cars against the cheapest broker prices offered by brokers (finance4cars.co.uk for example) and compare from that, RRP's for all cars are ridiculous.

tomjol

532 posts

116 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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white_goodman said:
I'm actually quite taken with these at the moment.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

Same power as the GTI PP plus quattro AWD, well-equipped as standard for an Audi and actually a bit cheaper than the Golf (and the Leon for that matter). It's probably the first new Audi that has appealed to me for a while and I reckon thanks to more exclusivity than the Golf, the residuals will be excellent. Yes, it is a bit smaller though.

An ex-demonstrator looks the way to go, as you can get one with some of the costly quattropack fitted for about 25k (or about 1k less than a bog standard new one). Vegas yellow, Misano red or Sepang blue though and does the contrasing black roof that a lot of them seem to come with look good or not?
Not seen many S1s around, one drove past me while I was on foot the other day, looked lovely. One of the many dark blues they do, black roof cloud9

Perfect size for me. Significantly smaller than a Golf mind.

ETA: It was being driven by a woman, if you find that a problem.

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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neil1jnr said:
St John Smythe said:
white_goodman said:
I'm actually quite taken with these at the moment.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

Same power as the GTI PP plus quattro AWD, well-equipped as standard for an Audi and actually a bit cheaper than the Golf (and the Leon for that matter). It's probably the first new Audi that has appealed to me for a while and I reckon thanks to more exclusivity than the Golf, the residuals will be excellent. Yes, it is a bit smaller though.

An ex-demonstrator looks the way to go, as you can get one with some of the costly quattropack fitted for about 25k (or about 1k less than a bog standard new one). Vegas yellow, Misano red or Sepang blue though and does the contrasing black roof that a lot of them seem to come with look good or not?
Nice car. Personally I think that model does look a little bit girly though.
As bizarre as your posts usually are, I agree with you here.

The A1/S1 is a girly car IMO, it may be more exclusive but the majority of people will just think it is a diesel A1, just like my ST looks identical to the 1L ecoboost models. But that can be a good thing for anhilating Mr A4/A6 2L tdu wink. For me I'd rather have the FWD Golf with the diff over nearly any VAG 4WD equivalent.
Still a German whip though bro.

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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tomjol said:
Not seen many S1s around, one drove past me while I was on foot the other day, looked lovely. One of the many dark blues they do, black roof cloud9

Perfect size for me. Significantly smaller than a Golf mind.

ETA: It was being driven by a woman, if you find that a problem.
It's the 'Mini' of the Audi range, that's for sure.

BertyFish

615 posts

163 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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Not really related to the topic but I've had plenty of Gtis and the wife has a 140 GT,

I did manage this the other week...sat at 50mph on the M6....


epom

11,400 posts

160 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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Yes but factor in the cost of the new bulb.....

All that jazz

7,632 posts

145 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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BertyFish said:
Not really related to the topic but I've had plenty of Gtis and the wife has a 140 GT,

I did manage this the other week...sat at 50mph on the M6....

Except you're actually doing about 43mph looking at the pic so hardly a surprise.

tomjol

532 posts

116 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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All that jazz said:
BertyFish said:
Not really related to the topic but I've had plenty of Gtis and the wife has a 140 GT,

I did manage this the other week...sat at 50mph on the M6....

Except you're actually doing about 43mph looking at the pic so hardly a surprise.
It's an average...

Quickmoose

4,482 posts

122 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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Peugeot 308 R ?

Brett748

919 posts

165 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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In my opinion a diesel can't ever be a drivers car. They're just not nice engines to use unless you're wafting down a motorway, I can't wait to hand mine back.

All that jazz

7,632 posts

145 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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tomjol said:
All that jazz said:
BertyFish said:
Not really related to the topic but I've had plenty of Gtis and the wife has a 140 GT,

I did manage this the other week...sat at 50mph on the M6....

Except you're actually doing about 43mph looking at the pic so hardly a surprise.
It's an average...
No it's someone pressing the mpg reset button whilst doing 43mph on a flat piece of M6 and then taking a picture. The same story behind all the other "ooh look how economical my car is" posts. Back in the real world it'll actually be averaging about 45mpg from normal driving, the same as the vast majority of other modern diesels.

tomjol

532 posts

116 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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All that jazz said:
tomjol said:
All that jazz said:
BertyFish said:
Not really related to the topic but I've had plenty of Gtis and the wife has a 140 GT,

I did manage this the other week...sat at 50mph on the M6....

Except you're actually doing about 43mph looking at the pic so hardly a surprise.
It's an average...
No it's someone pressing the mpg reset button whilst doing 43mph on a flat piece of M6 and then taking a picture. The same story behind all the other "ooh look how economical my car is" posts. Back in the real world it'll actually be averaging about 45mpg from normal driving, the same as the vast majority of other modern diesels.
Or you could just take it at face value...

All that jazz

7,632 posts

145 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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tomjol said:
Or you could just take it at face value...
Yeah, nearly 80mpg from a 1.4 tonne car with 181hp. Seems legit. yes

SuperchargedVR6

3,138 posts

219 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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My 300hp Edition 30 does over 80mpg.

Providing the real time MPG is selected.

And the throttle opening is tiny, i.e. down a hill.

Otherwise it does about 20mpg.

tomjol

532 posts

116 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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All that jazz said:
tomjol said:
Or you could just take it at face value...
Yeah, nearly 80mpg from a 1.4 tonne car with 181hp. Seems legit. yes
You may have a point, but nobody said anything about "normal driving", it was qualified with "at 50 MPH on the M6". While experience tells me that a constant speed run in light traffic is a tricky thing to find on the M6, it doesn't seem impossible.

Now if I post up a picture reading 120 MPG and claim that's normal, you'll be fully entitled to call that out as "overrun bullst" hehe