2 young guys killed in Austrian Alps racing. Came off a clif

[Pickled Piper]

Sad incident as others have already said. I does appear to be the result of some poor decisions, perhaps, adrenaline fuelled.

We all carry out our own risk analysis before or during spirited drives, even subconsciously.

[paulyv]

S10GTA said:

How do you know he's taking a selfie? Maybe he is taking a picture the other way.

Yes, you could be right and hopefully that was the case and I am mistaken.

[heronio]

S10GTA said:

How do you know he's taking a selfie? Maybe he is taking a picture the other way.

Exactly. I (want to) believe he's taking a photo of the stone monument and flags.

[KTF]

I cant see them even being bothered that there was a crash there.

Why bother cycling all the way there all the way there to take a selfie of some concrete blocks relating to an accident that wasnt that well publicised anyway?

[9mm]

danjama said:

No tyre marks

The worrying scenario is he didn't even see the bend, didn't even brake, just tried to turn too late and went straight off at a silly speed.

How bloody scary is that thought?

It's not surprising if you look at the earlier vid. Didn't seem able to read the road at all and the steering was very poor indeed.

[ryanthescot]

Bonefish Blues said:

Ghibli said:

Obviously I don't know the actual cause of the accident but I do wonder if brake fade could have been a contributing factor on those steep sharp bends ?

If you look at the guy's build thread his brakes were up to the job, IIRC 360mm TTS up front and 300+ at rear.

i dont think that disk size necessarily matters tbh. i was at croft yesterday following a supercharged gt-86 for a few laps. we were both pushing on a bit and he seemed like a competent driver. on the 3rd lap behind him he went in to the braking zone of one of the corners (think it's called sunny side) and i saw his brake lights come on but he wasnt losing much speed. he started to understeer and went off the track and into the corn field, still travelling at a fair pace.

he managed to reverse out and get back to the pits - i took a lap to cool my car then went back in to pits and parked next to him to check he was alright (which he was). his pads were still smoking when i got back to the pits. i noticed that along with his supercharger kit the car had numerous other upgrades including some sort of big brake kit with grooved disks etc but they just got too hot and failed.

my point is i can imagine that from the speeds the lad was doing in the fb videos combined with the decline of the road that no matter how big the brake set up they would fail fairly quickly. (i'm not saying this is what happened)

edit - it was tower bend not sunny side (which it seems i just made up)

Edited by ryanthescot on Monday 27th July 15:35

Edited by ryanthescot on Monday 27th July 16:02

[razor04]

The crash happened on the way up which i initially though would rule out brake overheating / failure, but then i read comments from people who were on the rally that said they had all got down the pass and the Leon & Porsche went back up to go again, could be that the brakes on the cars were cooked coming down the first time and as they headed back up the brakes were already overheated, they may not have even noticed if neither of the cars drivers exited the vehicles, may have just been a lean out the window and "lets go again" type decision.

[zebra]

ryanthescot said:

it was tower bend not sunny side (which it seems i just made up)

Sunny _ Sunny in [first part] and out [second part]. When driven properly acts as one corner not two.

[aeropilot]

ryanthescot said:

Bonefish Blues said:

Ghibli said:

Obviously I don't know the actual cause of the accident but I do wonder if brake fade could have been a contributing factor on those steep sharp bends ?

If you look at the guy's build thread his brakes were up to the job, IIRC 360mm TTS up front and 300+ at rear.

i dont think that disk size necessarily matters tbh.

This.

[ryanthescot]

zebra said:

ryanthescot said:

it was tower bend not sunny side (which it seems i just made up)

Sunny _ Sunny in [first part] and out [second part]. When driven properly acts as one corner not two.

yep, i noticed that by the end of the day, could pretty much stay on throttle and use both kerbs to treat it as 1 big corner. was my first time there and it's a great track!

[zebra]

razor04 said:

The crash happened on the way up which i initially though would rule out brake overheating / failure, but then i read comments from people who were on the rally that said they had all got down the pass and the Leon & Porsche went back up to go again, could be that the brakes on the cars were cooked coming down the first time and as they headed back up the brakes were already overheated, they may not have even noticed if neither of the cars drivers exited the vehicles, may have just been a lean out the window and "lets go again" type decision.

Whatever the state of their brakes, they drove inappropriately for the conditions. That cannot be disputed having seen the video.

Thank god they did not take someone else out with them.

I cannot imagine how terrible it must have been to be sailing through the air waiting for the inevitable and fatal landing.

No parent should have to bury their children but the poor lads only have themselves to blame.

[Martin4x4]

aeropilot said:

ryanthescot said:

Bonefish Blues said:

Ghibli said:

Obviously I don't know the actual cause of the accident but I do wonder if brake fade could have been a contributing factor on those steep sharp bends ?

If you look at the guy's build thread his brakes were up to the job, IIRC 360mm TTS up front and 300+ at rear.

i dont think that disk size necessarily matters tbh.

This.

Especially if he's boiled the brake fluid.

[MrHamster]

RIP

[Gary C]

Car appears to have been running TT RS disks and caliper with pagid pads. No mention of fluids, but even the best boils at about 340 deg C

With the power of the engine and the braking power available, the heat production would be far above what the car was designed for, so so it's easily possible that the caliper temperatures were able to rise well above the boiling point of even the best fluid.

I once did an MG metro and we had to fit ducts from the front to keep the calipers cool (i know air pressure in the wheel arch is not brilliant idea but it worked)

But could have been a simple error must of us have made in our lives and got away with.

Sad day for all involved.

Edited by Gary C on Monday 27th July 17:16

Edited by Gary C on Monday 27th July 17:18

[Batfink]

Do people boil their brake fluid uphill? Seriously?

[Bonefish Blues]

Martin4x4 said:

aeropilot said:

ryanthescot said:

Bonefish Blues said:

Ghibli said:

Obviously I don't know the actual cause of the accident but I do wonder if brake fade could have been a contributing factor on those steep sharp bends ?

If you look at the guy's build thread his brakes were up to the job, IIRC 360mm TTS up front and 300+ at rear.

i dont think that disk size necessarily matters tbh.

This.

Especially if he's boiled the brake fluid.

I take the comments - do we think that's likely going up the hill? Interested, not argumentative...

[Gary C]

Batfink said:

Do people boil their brake fluid uphill? Seriously?

If it was the animal it was made out to be, just after a down hill run, possibly

But does make you wonder why it did not happen on the down hill run. Maybe being held up by the rest of the drivers ? Maybe that's why they wanted another run.

[Bonefish Blues]

Gary C said:

Batfink said:

Do people boil their brake fluid uphill? Seriously?

If it was the animal it was made out to be, just after a down hill run, possibly

We saw the shots of his going downhill. It was a fast car, but not a monster, shirley`?

Edited by Bonefish Blues on Monday 27th July 17:25

[danjama]

I just think he ran out of road. Looking at the image above, that's a long, straightish bit of road leading up to a fairly tight bend. It would only be a brief lapse in attention for it to be too late.

[Batfink]

I watched the video of the motorbike going up posted earlier. It didnt look much of a downhill, just a few sweeping bends after a hairpin but that car would have been able to build up a few knots on those.