2 young guys killed in Austrian Alps racing. Came off a clif

2 young guys killed in Austrian Alps racing. Came off a clif

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optimal909

198 posts

144 months

Friday 24th July 2015
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nurseholliday said:
Toyo R1R
Pretty decent tyre, one below the R888 in Toyo's lineup I think
Toyo is the single worst tyre brand I've ever had on any cars I've driven, it was factory fitted on some of my company cars. Poor grip under any conditions.

Once working for the "good handling" car company we've organised a product event featuring competitor vehicles, and on one of those slippery test sections we were planning to demonstrate the usefulness of ESP against a "bad handling" car company's model without ESP.

Then the guests started to come back to report that the car without ESP was much better - tried it, and they were right. The difference?
Car with ESP had Toyo Proxes, the car without ESP Michelin Pilot Exalto...

hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Friday 24th July 2015
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andrewparker said:
Thread on seatcupra.net suggest they know who it was. Understandably they want it kept quiet for now.
Saw that. Sad news.

andrewparker

8,014 posts

187 months

Friday 24th July 2015
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hornetrider said:
andrewparker said:
Thread on seatcupra.net suggest they know who it was. Understandably they want it kept quiet for now.
Saw that. Sad news.
Yeah, chap who started the thread going on the rally with an old friend in a blue Leon. Devastating for their families and friends.

Bluedot

3,585 posts

107 months

Friday 24th July 2015
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Just read about this on BBC site, aged 22 and 25, sad news.
RIP lads.

GTIAlex

1,935 posts

166 months

Friday 24th July 2015
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SO terribly sad, died doing something we all enjoy doing.
Could be any of us in reality.

Drive Safe

RIP

Daston

6,075 posts

203 months

Saturday 25th July 2015
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optimal909 said:
Toyo is the single worst tyre brand I've ever had on any cars I've driven, it was factory fitted on some of my company cars. Poor grip under any conditions.

Once working for the "good handling" car company we've organised a product event featuring competitor vehicles, and on one of those slippery test sections we were planning to demonstrate the usefulness of ESP against a "bad handling" car company's model without ESP.

Then the guests started to come back to report that the car without ESP was much better - tried it, and they were right. The difference?
Car with ESP had Toyo Proxes, the car without ESP Michelin Pilot Exalto...
Funny I have had the exact opposite. Found the T1R's on the Tuscan to be way better than the Bridgestones that were on it before and ones on my MG handle far better than the Michelins it came with.



g3org3y

20,627 posts

191 months

Saturday 25th July 2015
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GTIAlex said:
SO terribly sad, died doing something we all enjoy doing.
Could be any of us in reality.

Drive Safe

RIP
Echo the above.

Tragic news. RIP frown

Kolbenkopp

2,343 posts

151 months

Saturday 25th July 2015
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Beautiful road. But not a lot of room for error (technical, human or what ever). RIP lads.

PS: press release from Austrian police says initial eyewitness reports suggested a race. They started a search for the Porsche driver, but he contacted police first because he was worried that the lads in the Leon did not turn up at a meeting point. ORF story seems to be accurate, wish the rest of the rags would drop the sensationalist rubbish.

Mr Tidy

22,310 posts

127 months

Saturday 25th July 2015
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Sad news - RIP lads and condolences to the families.

Tragic news in every way.

BentleyTTRS

255 posts

141 months

Saturday 25th July 2015
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Just seen the report on BBC breakfast.

A real shame and not helped by the usual news reporting making into a who to blame sensational story.

AJB88

12,399 posts

171 months

Saturday 25th July 2015
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RIP.

He was an active and well liked member of the SEAT community. such a shame.

Car was a Stage2+ MK2 Leon Cupra R.

berlintaxi

8,535 posts

173 months

Saturday 25th July 2015
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Tragic event, but do we really need the full CSI Pistonheads when nobody really knows the facts?

williamp

19,255 posts

273 months

Saturday 25th July 2015
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Daily nail has names anc z picture. RIP to you both

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3173276/Tw...

heebeegeetee

28,723 posts

248 months

Saturday 25th July 2015
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williamp said:
Daily nail has names anc z picture. RIP to you both

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3173276/Tw...
Still calling it an illegal race though. Bloody hell.

TTmonkey

20,911 posts

247 months

Saturday 25th July 2015
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Sadly on this type of event, and even events with far less organisation, many drivers will drive these routes 'competitivly' and exceed both speed limits and safety limits. Lets face it, they arent there for the views are they?

Clearly this isn't a 'race' in the dictionary terms, but also clearly I think it's safe to say that excessive speed will undoubtedly have played a major factor.

The language barriers probably promote the term 'race' when we all know it should be 'rally' or even something less controversial. But let's not kid ourselves.... These guys were probably having "a right laugh" up until they left he road.


I believe the accident happened early morning? Possibly hit a shaded part of the road that had moisture or even a hint of ice (yes it gets bloody cold at altitude even in July) or maybe the tyres let them down.


heebeegeetee

28,723 posts

248 months

Saturday 25th July 2015
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TTmonkey said:


The language barriers probably promote the term 'race' when we all know it should be 'rally' or even something less controversial. But let's not kid ourselves.... These guys were probably having "a right laugh" up until they left he road.
I'm not aware that the Daily Mail suffers from language problems when describing a legal organised touring event as an illegal race.



TTmonkey

20,911 posts

247 months

Saturday 25th July 2015
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heebeegeetee said:
TTmonkey said:


The language barriers probably promote the term 'race' when we all know it should be 'rally' or even something less controversial. But let's not kid ourselves.... These guys were probably having "a right laugh" up until they left he road.
I'm not aware that the Daily Mail suffers from language problems when describing a legal organised touring event as an illegal race.

The local authorities have used the term 'race', the DM has repeated it. As the local language is not native English then I believe there is likely a 'list in translation' issue. Undoubtedly the DM revels in the term 'race' as it creates such controvercial headline. The journalists at the DM are without doubt, hmmmm what's the phrase.... 'Kuntz'.

Leptons

5,113 posts

176 months

Saturday 25th July 2015
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R.I.P lads.



Can't help but think there will be a knee jerk reaction towards these "Races" now.

DaveCWK

1,989 posts

174 months

Saturday 25th July 2015
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Very sad.

It's a lovely road that and pretty brutal on your car. Last time I went my radiator cap failed.