2 young guys killed in Austrian Alps racing. Came off a clif

[TTmonkey]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

I honestly can't make out if the car looks damaged or if it's just a low res grainy image. I can't make out if it even look like a Leon never mind that I can't see the event stickers down the side of the car like in previous photos of them.

I kind of agree. However, it would wrong to rule it out, as the colour is I think distorted, and the early morning light possibly means it looks darker. It does have more than a hint of old shape Megan about it too.

It's almost certainly a 4 door hatch in blue with two guys that match the general description of the two lads, and its there on the road 30 odd minutes before the incident, when there are virtually no other cars around.

[smokeey]

Driver101 said:

The picture looks like an older Renault Megane in a much deeper blue than their Seat.

This is what I thought, doesn't look like a Leon to me.

[Leptons]

smokeey said:

Driver101 said:

The picture looks like an older Renault Megane in a much deeper blue than their Seat.

This is what I thought, doesn't look like a Leon to me.

Looks like a MK1 focus from here.

[TVRJAS]

What ever the speculation of the car is (Mine is that it is the same car) but those that think not the same car is heading back down at 7.20.



At 7.10 in the exact same spot is a cyclist heading up hill,only one cyclist can be seen through the searching I've done and only one cyclist has come forward as a witness of the Leon car driving very fast.

There are hardly any cars on the road through my searching so this is why my conclusion it is the Leon in the lay-by.

If they have the capability to reduce the time frames then it would be possible to deter who was driving,as the report was they were both thrown from the vehicle. Might make a difference for one of the families but could get worse for the other.

[vz-r_dave]

Megane without a doubt.

[Hub]

vz-r_dave said:

Megane without a doubt.

I think so. The Leon has a very narrow window line, and their was a much more vivid blue that I think would be evident even in the morning light.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

From my huge experience (of watching motorway cops on TV) the pathologist will be able to determine who was sat where from their injuries. Someone bracing themselves against a steering wheel has massively different injuries from someone strapped into a passenger seat, even if they're thrown from the vehicle (not least the friction burn positions of seatbelts being on each shoulder).

[FurtiveFreddy]

I wouldn't pay much attention to the shade of blue. Just concentrate on the vehicle shape and compare it with a Leon Cupra R. It does look very similar to me.

[delta0]

It does look like the Leon. Plus how many cars would have the same dark wheels?

[Petrolhead95]

It's very morbid reading through this thread and seeing photos of his car. Used to see it around a lot, especially at meets. RIP fellas.

[razor04]

Look at the seats in the car, the tops of the bucket seats are unmistakably those of the cupra aren't they?

That pointy square'ish top you can see it through the passenger window.

[PapaJohns]

heronio said:

Scan left on the webcam to the car park on the opposite side of the hill and drop back to 6.40am.. is this them? I can't work out if this would be a Leon or not. Certainly a black or blue car..

Sitting on a rock(?)


Walking down the footpath


2 people standing next to the car


Click the images to get to the imgur hosting, and then click the picture again to get the original size. This was as far as it would zoom in.

Go back another 10mins to 6:30 and scan left of the car park ( road heading towards you) you'll see headlights coming towards car park

[DJRC]

This is a very weird thread.

[Tuvra]

DJRC said:

This is a very weird thread.

I find it eerily fascinating.

Bar the knobs arguing about the MR2's of course

[berlintaxi]

DJRC said:

This is a very weird thread.

Wannabe CSI Pistonheads arguing amongst themselves.

[Europa1]

berlintaxi said:

DJRC said:

This is a very weird thread.

Wannabe CSI Pistonheads arguing amongst themselves.

I find it a little distasteful

[anonymous-user]

Looking at the cam on the summit, 6.30 there is a group of three Audi drivers all with bonnets open.

Maybe it's a good idea to open your bonnet to let the heat out before driving back down ?

[LaurasOtherHalf]

So the thread should essentially be....

Two guys drove off a cliff

Oh, RIP.

Yeah, RIP

/Thread

23 pages of people commenting seem to suggest others disagree.

[1000TCR]

Europa1 said:

berlintaxi said:

DJRC said:

This is a very weird thread.

Wannabe CSI Pistonheads arguing amongst themselves.

I find it a little distasteful

If I went off a cliff, it would be totally ok for me if people tried to investigate what happened. In fact - I couldn't care less. My friends and family also had better things to do and care about than some random people on some random forum on some random website somewhere on t'internet.

Edited by 1000TCR on Thursday 30th July 09:31

[allergictocheese]

This is perhaps a situations suited to Occam's razor. We've seen the video of them driving inappropriately, close to unguarded precipitous edges on roads that are unsuited to that kind of driving. We've seen they've failed to negotiate a bend on a similar road within a matter of hours, following that video.

If we're reliant on assumptions, the hypothesis with the least of them is the safest. That tends to suggest they continued to drive inappropriately on roads unsuited to it and, unfortunately, a fairly obvious thing happened.

Speculating about mechanical failures, MR2s, the position of the sun or whether a blurry still from a webcam is a Leon or Megane takes you no further, absent any evidence to take you down those avenues.