2 young guys killed in Austrian Alps racing. Came off a clif
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trails said:
My point still stands though; only whoever was there at the time really knows what happened and they are dead.
Which is why there's an inquest to look at the facts that are available, and make an official decision on what happened.It was a single-vehicle incident. There was enough speed to take their car through a barrier. And that official decision was that Robinson lost control of the car in circumstances reports as "while racing" the Porsche. I've not read the transcript of the verdict. You've not read the transcript of the verdict. All we know is some bare facts plus a whole pile of hearsay around the edges, which nobody really seems to have any counter to.
Everything, added together, looks fairly conclusive from where I'm sat.
Sure, there's minor details - were they wearing belts or not, was there a mechanical problem or not - which we'll never know. But they don't actually change much. They were t
tting it up there, and they ttted it waaaay too hard, and the direct and utterly predictable result was one last, very, very long "ohst" moment.trails said:
zebra said:
We know exactly why they are dead, we just do not know the minute detail.
They drove off a cliff. I doubt they were driving any more sensibly that day than their videos from the previous days demonstrated.
If you're upset by that, get over it.
No, no we don't and that's just the point; much supposition and guesswork but no facts. All we know is they are dead...who knows maybe they swerved to avoid a cyclist in the wrong place and the cyclist hasn't come forward.They drove off a cliff. I doubt they were driving any more sensibly that day than their videos from the previous days demonstrated.
If you're upset by that, get over it.
I'm not upset I just think there is no harm in showing a little empathy, particularly when all the facts are not available.
Wake up.
yonex said:
Of course, nobody on PH has ever made a mistake on the road. Nobody has ever broken the speed limit or has been at the mercy of the courts for various infringements of the Highway Code? Never, none of us 
Because we're all sotalented lucky.
Whilst I agree with your sentiment, the middle ground is that we're all still here because we drive enthusiastically where a mistake has a much greater chance of not be fatal. These guys did not and paid the ultimate price, it was their choice though. RIP.Because we're all so
zebra said:
We know exactly why they are dead, we just do not know the minute detail.
They drove off a cliff. I doubt they were driving any more sensibly that day than their videos from the previous days demonstrated.
If you're upset by that, get over it.
It's not about being upset though is it, it is just some of the comments in this thread are out of order... They made the choice to drive that day and what ever happened they paid the ultimate price, that is it, end of story. There is no need for all the snipping and armchair detectives trying to state what happened, if some of the posters stopped to think for a minute, this is an open public forum and any one of their friends and/or family could well be reading all the sThey drove off a cliff. I doubt they were driving any more sensibly that day than their videos from the previous days demonstrated.
If you're upset by that, get over it.
t that is getting posted in here.. There is no need for it. RIP
https://youtu.be/y1LhUzL3qdU
This Summer I drove on these two roads. The first in a car with fading brakes with 5,000ft of drops on some bends and wooden barriers in places.
Looking at the car made me shudder.
What if I'd gone over the edge? Witnesses at the resort may have said I drove that Panda abit too quick yet I shat myself on some sections of that road.
This Summer I drove on these two roads. The first in a car with fading brakes with 5,000ft of drops on some bends and wooden barriers in places.
Looking at the car made me shudder.
What if I'd gone over the edge? Witnesses at the resort may have said I drove that Panda abit too quick yet I shat myself on some sections of that road.
gweaver said:
S10GTA said:
TooMany2cvs said:
result was one last, very, very long "ohst" moment.
Is there an estimate for how long it would have been from leaving the road to hitting the deck?t" moment.<crunch> through barrier
One elephant
Two elephants
Three elephants
Four elephants
Five elephants
Six elephants
<crunch> first landing...
TooMany2cvs said:
gweaver said:
S10GTA said:
TooMany2cvs said:
result was one last, very, very long "ohst" moment.
Is there an estimate for how long it would have been from leaving the road to hitting the deck?t" moment.<crunch> through barrier
One elephant
Two elephants
Three elephants
Four elephants
Five elephants
Six elephants
<crunch> first landing...
TooMany2cvs said:
It'd be longer than that - 60m freefall in 3.5 seconds presumes terminal velocity already reached, doesn't it?
No.Try this online calculator http://keisan.casio.com/exec/system/1231475371
gweaver said:
TooMany2cvs said:
It'd be longer than that - 60m freefall in 3.5 seconds presumes terminal velocity already reached, doesn't it?
No.Try this online calculator http://keisan.casio.com/exec/system/1231475371
11110111 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
gweaver said:
S10GTA said:
TooMany2cvs said:
result was one last, very, very long "ohst" moment.
Is there an estimate for how long it would have been from leaving the road to hitting the deck?t" moment.<crunch> through barrier
One elephant
Two elephants
Three elephants
Four elephants
Five elephants
Six elephants
<crunch> first landing...
However, that thought described above does make a very deep impression and may make someone think twice.
yonex said:
AyBee said:
Whilst I agree with your sentiment, the middle ground is that we're all still here because we drive enthusiastically where a mistake has a much greater chance of not be fatal. These guys did not and paid the ultimate price, it was their choice though. RIP.
Yes. Luck.much greater chance of being correctable.
So I'd go judgement and experience, but I'm probably a wuss (or control freak) so if you want to rely on luck go for it, just no where near me please.
That road is a great drive, but the consequences of getting it wrong are scary, if nothing else I hope their memory serves to save a few lives in coming years.
TooMany2cvs said:
Which is why there's an inquest to look at the facts that are available, and make an official decision on what happened.
It was a single-vehicle incident. There was enough speed to take their car through a barrier. And that official decision was that Robinson lost control of the car in circumstances reports as "while racing" the Porsche. I've not read the transcript of the verdict. You've not read the transcript of the verdict. All we know is some bare facts plus a whole pile of hearsay around the edges, which nobody really seems to have any counter to.
Everything, added together, looks fairly conclusive from where I'm sat.
Sure, there's minor details - were they wearing belts or not, was there a mechanical problem or not - which we'll never know. But they don't actually change much. They were ttting it up there, and they ttted it waaaay too hard, and the direct and utterly predictable result was one last, very, very long "ohst" moment.
Agreed, probably is correct but its the tone of some on here that blows; everyone with the smallest drop of petrol in their veins has driven like an utter tool on the road at one time or another but most people get away with it; these poor feckers didn't and paid the ultimate price. That makes me sad so I must be soft It was a single-vehicle incident. There was enough speed to take their car through a barrier. And that official decision was that Robinson lost control of the car in circumstances reports as "while racing" the Porsche. I've not read the transcript of the verdict. You've not read the transcript of the verdict. All we know is some bare facts plus a whole pile of hearsay around the edges, which nobody really seems to have any counter to.
Everything, added together, looks fairly conclusive from where I'm sat.
Sure, there's minor details - were they wearing belts or not, was there a mechanical problem or not - which we'll never know. But they don't actually change much. They were t
tting it up there, and they ttted it waaaay too hard, and the direct and utterly predictable result was one last, very, very long "ohst" moment.
zebra said:
Get a grip you melt. Their videos suggest otherwise, or are you trying to suggest that on this one day they were driving like miss daisy. Yeah right.
Wake up.
'Get a grip' Wake up.
No grip issues here stripy.I'm not suggesting anything; merely pointing out that neither of us know what really happened. So maybe step out of the powerfully built PH Director persona and have a little empathy for two poor kids and their families.
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