2 young guys killed in Austrian Alps racing. Came off a clif
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trails said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Which is why there's an inquest to look at the facts that are available, and make an official decision on what happened.
It was a single-vehicle incident. There was enough speed to take their car through a barrier. And that official decision was that Robinson lost control of the car in circumstances reports as "while racing" the Porsche. I've not read the transcript of the verdict. You've not read the transcript of the verdict. All we know is some bare facts plus a whole pile of hearsay around the edges, which nobody really seems to have any counter to.
Everything, added together, looks fairly conclusive from where I'm sat.
Sure, there's minor details - were they wearing belts or not, was there a mechanical problem or not - which we'll never know. But they don't actually change much. They were t
tting it up there, and they ttted it waaaay too hard, and the direct and utterly predictable result was one last, very, very long "ohst" moment.
Agreed, probably is correct but its the tone of some on here that blows; everyone with the smallest drop of petrol in their veins has driven like an utter tool on the road at one time or another but most people get away with it; these poor feckers didn't and paid the ultimate price. That makes me sad so I must be soft It was a single-vehicle incident. There was enough speed to take their car through a barrier. And that official decision was that Robinson lost control of the car in circumstances reports as "while racing" the Porsche. I've not read the transcript of the verdict. You've not read the transcript of the verdict. All we know is some bare facts plus a whole pile of hearsay around the edges, which nobody really seems to have any counter to.
Everything, added together, looks fairly conclusive from where I'm sat.
Sure, there's minor details - were they wearing belts or not, was there a mechanical problem or not - which we'll never know. But they don't actually change much. They were t
tting it up there, and they ttted it waaaay too hard, and the direct and utterly predictable result was one last, very, very long "ohst" moment.
k up somewhere like that, and suffer the same fate, then it would be our own bloody stupid fault, too?trails said:
So maybe step out of the powerfully built PH Director persona and have a little empathy for two poor kids and their families.
Sorry. Pass me the book of condolence...TooMany2cvs said:
trails said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Which is why there's an inquest to look at the facts that are available, and make an official decision on what happened.
It was a single-vehicle incident. There was enough speed to take their car through a barrier. And that official decision was that Robinson lost control of the car in circumstances reports as "while racing" the Porsche. I've not read the transcript of the verdict. You've not read the transcript of the verdict. All we know is some bare facts plus a whole pile of hearsay around the edges, which nobody really seems to have any counter to.
Everything, added together, looks fairly conclusive from where I'm sat.
Sure, there's minor details - were they wearing belts or not, was there a mechanical problem or not - which we'll never know. But they don't actually change much. They were ttting it up there, and they ttted it waaaay too hard, and the direct and utterly predictable result was one last, very, very long "ohst" moment.
Agreed, probably is correct but its the tone of some on here that blows; everyone with the smallest drop of petrol in their veins has driven like an utter tool on the road at one time or another but most people get away with it; these poor feckers didn't and paid the ultimate price. That makes me sad so I must be soft It was a single-vehicle incident. There was enough speed to take their car through a barrier. And that official decision was that Robinson lost control of the car in circumstances reports as "while racing" the Porsche. I've not read the transcript of the verdict. You've not read the transcript of the verdict. All we know is some bare facts plus a whole pile of hearsay around the edges, which nobody really seems to have any counter to.
Everything, added together, looks fairly conclusive from where I'm sat.
Sure, there's minor details - were they wearing belts or not, was there a mechanical problem or not - which we'll never know. But they don't actually change much. They were t
tting it up there, and they ttted it waaaay too hard, and the direct and utterly predictable result was one last, very, very long "ohst" moment.k up somewhere like that, and suffer the same fate, then it would be our own bloody stupid fault, too?trails said:
So maybe step out of the powerfully built PH Director persona and have a little empathy for two poor kids and their families.
Sorry. Pass me the book of condolence...if you don't understand that then there is no point trying to explain.
I'm out.
The most positive result of this incident would be if it reminded us all that driving beyond your limits has consequences. These guys look like our usual car enthusiasts, enthusiasts who put the thrill of driving fast above the boring reality that errors have consequences.
They got it wrong, very wrong. Everything that was known came out in the inquest so instead of speculating or sniping on the forums learn from it and make sure you're not as stupid in the future.
They got it wrong, very wrong. Everything that was known came out in the inquest so instead of speculating or sniping on the forums learn from it and make sure you're not as stupid in the future.
trails said:
'Get a grip' 
No grip issues here stripy.
I'm not suggesting anything; merely pointing out that neither of us know what really happened. So maybe step out of the powerfully built PH Director persona and have a little empathy for two poor kids and their families.
Whatever mate. They drive like dicks and dids end of. No one else was involved. No grip issues here stripy.I'm not suggesting anything; merely pointing out that neither of us know what really happened. So maybe step out of the powerfully built PH Director persona and have a little empathy for two poor kids and their families.
Evidence suggests a fair bit of what happened and the inquest concluded analysing the evidence that was available they caused their own deaths. We don't need know any more than that.
As I said earlier my sympathy lies with those they left behind.
There are far more concerning issues across the world than this.
yonex said:
AyBee said:
Whilst I agree with your sentiment, the middle ground is that we're all still here because we drive enthusiastically where a mistake has a much greater chance of not be fatal. These guys did not and paid the ultimate price, it was their choice though. RIP.
Yes. Luck.TooMany2cvs said:
Russwhitehouse said:
I've had a few close calls myself rallying in the mountains.
Are you talking about actual competitive special stages on closed roads?
316Mining said:
Mr2Mike said:
This probably won't go down very well, but a good friend of mine was in the same group as these lads and said they were driving like cocks most of the time.
Worth remembering....Difference is it didn't bite us terminally.
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