RE: Lotus Evora 400 :Driven
Discussion
blueg33 said:
4.7 is for the PDK.
No it's not, it's the manual. The PDK is 4.4 or 4.6 depending on the gearbox mode: http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/cayman/cayman-s/Are you thinking of the 0-100kph times, which appear to be 5.0 and 4.7 respectively for the manual and PDK?
Edited by kambites on Tuesday 28th July 21:44
chrispj said:
Olivera said:
For the record a few months ago Evo magazine put a base (non S) Cayman up vs an Evora S around Anglesey. the Cayman was quicker.
Wasn't that actually up against a loaned Exige S with worn out front tyres and the owner sitting in the passenger seat so they couldn't rag it like a press car?
I think the new Evora 400 looks great and as for the shots of the interior, go well personally I think it looks pretty special and not bland at all unlike the Porsches.
I've never driven either a Porsche or an Evora but I think that the countless stories from owners who have driven both should stand testament to how good the old Evora actually is as it often seems the Evora is the more enjoyable drive.......regardless of the weight and switchgear lol!
I've never driven either a Porsche or an Evora but I think that the countless stories from owners who have driven both should stand testament to how good the old Evora actually is as it often seems the Evora is the more enjoyable drive.......regardless of the weight and switchgear lol!
kambites said:
blueg33 said:
4.7 is for the PDK.
No it's not, it's the manual. The PDK is 4.4 or 4.6 depending on the gearbox mode: http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/cayman/cayman-s/Are you thinking of the 0-100kph times, which appear to be 5.0 and 4.7 respectively for the manual and PDK?
Edited by kambites on Tuesday 28th July 21:44
Point remains though, even the slowest Evora is up with a Cayman s, the 400 is quicker by some margin.
blueg33 said:
kambites said:
blueg33 said:
4.7 is for the PDK.
No it's not, it's the manual. The PDK is 4.4 or 4.6 depending on the gearbox mode: http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/cayman/cayman-s/Are you thinking of the 0-100kph times, which appear to be 5.0 and 4.7 respectively for the manual and PDK?
Edited by kambites on Tuesday 28th July 21:44
Point remains though, even the slowest Evora is up with a Cayman s, the 400 is quicker by some margin.
I stand corrected on Evo track test, it was base cayman vs exige s. Even with tyres past their best I'm amazed the cayman was still quicker.
Had a very good look around the development 400 at Goodwood and waiting for a test drive at present. Love the idea of the 406 horses and reassured about the steering / ride / braking and damping fundamentals. As an owner of a current Evora and a former 997 owner I feel well placed to comment on the other "improvemnts" but my own view only.
Plus points - wider sill for access is a boon - already tried that. New seats are good too (although Recaros are amazing on the S1). Better infotainment system and materials inside. The plastic grilles are not prone to deformation like the wire mesh - another improvement
Minus points - frontal styling - yuck and interior has (sadly) taken a leaf out of the Ferrari 458 book - a complete mess that has lost the design purity of the original - in my view too high a price to get better materials and marginal ergonomic improvements
I love my Evora and know that this will be amazing to drive but I am struggling to justify this over a susbstatial deposit towards a sub 10k mile 2011 McLaren 12c.....
Plus points - wider sill for access is a boon - already tried that. New seats are good too (although Recaros are amazing on the S1). Better infotainment system and materials inside. The plastic grilles are not prone to deformation like the wire mesh - another improvement
Minus points - frontal styling - yuck and interior has (sadly) taken a leaf out of the Ferrari 458 book - a complete mess that has lost the design purity of the original - in my view too high a price to get better materials and marginal ergonomic improvements
I love my Evora and know that this will be amazing to drive but I am struggling to justify this over a susbstatial deposit towards a sub 10k mile 2011 McLaren 12c.....
Looking at the Porsche fan club on the lotus thread is quite funny, to read, its like a bunch of desperado's trying to convince everyone the have the golden pony.
I have a NA Evora I can tell you its special, its not the fastest in the range and there are faster cars out there but its special I know i won't own it forever but for now I know its a small piece of iconic Lotus it handles sublimely I don't care it doesn't have a VAG interior or I can't see all the buttons at a glance I save the best furniture for my home. This is a drivers car you either get it or you don't, but you can't really knock it.
My Wife and friends who have been in it love it, I never hear comments such as oh the sticking on the dash docent have the same quality as the sofa
So to all the whingers, knockers go and buy one these are exceptional cars if I had the money id buy a 400 in a heartbeat
I have a NA Evora I can tell you its special, its not the fastest in the range and there are faster cars out there but its special I know i won't own it forever but for now I know its a small piece of iconic Lotus it handles sublimely I don't care it doesn't have a VAG interior or I can't see all the buttons at a glance I save the best furniture for my home. This is a drivers car you either get it or you don't, but you can't really knock it.
My Wife and friends who have been in it love it, I never hear comments such as oh the sticking on the dash docent have the same quality as the sofa
So to all the whingers, knockers go and buy one these are exceptional cars if I had the money id buy a 400 in a heartbeat
Toaster said:
Looking at the Porsche fan club on the lotus thread is quite funny, to read, its like a bunch of desperado's trying to convince everyone the have the golden pony.
I have a NA Evora I can tell you its special, its not the fastest in the range and there are faster cars out there but its special I know i won't own it forever but for now I know its a small piece of iconic Lotus it handles sublimely I don't care it doesn't have a VAG interior or I can't see all the buttons at a glance I save the best furniture for my home. This is a drivers car you either get it or you don't, but you can't really knock it.
My Wife and friends who have been in it love it, I never hear comments such as oh the sticking on the dash docent have the same quality as the sofa
So to all the whingers, knockers go and buy one these are exceptional cars if I had the money id buy a 400 in a heartbeat
+ 1I have a NA Evora I can tell you its special, its not the fastest in the range and there are faster cars out there but its special I know i won't own it forever but for now I know its a small piece of iconic Lotus it handles sublimely I don't care it doesn't have a VAG interior or I can't see all the buttons at a glance I save the best furniture for my home. This is a drivers car you either get it or you don't, but you can't really knock it.
My Wife and friends who have been in it love it, I never hear comments such as oh the sticking on the dash docent have the same quality as the sofa
So to all the whingers, knockers go and buy one these are exceptional cars if I had the money id buy a 400 in a heartbeat
yeah but....
Toaster could easily have said said:
Looking at the Lotus fan club on this thread is quite funny, to read, it's like a bunch of desperado's trying to convince everyone they have the golden pony.
I have a NA Cayman/911 I can tell you it's special, it's not the fastest in the range and there are faster cars out there but it's special I know I won't own it forever but for now I know it's a small piece of iconic Porsche it handles sublimely I don't care it doesn't have Lotus DNA or slightly sweeter handling or see another one on the road every 2 or 3 days. This is a driver's car you either get it or you don't, but you can't really knock it.
My Wife and friends who have been in it love it, I never hear comments such as oh the interior looks heavy, or aren't you worried it's common?.
So to all the whingers, knockers go and buy one these are exceptional cars if I had the money id buy an GT3/4 in a heartbeat
opinion, so easily subverted, it's not fanboyism, it's personal preference...different priorities...I have a NA Cayman/911 I can tell you it's special, it's not the fastest in the range and there are faster cars out there but it's special I know I won't own it forever but for now I know it's a small piece of iconic Porsche it handles sublimely I don't care it doesn't have Lotus DNA or slightly sweeter handling or see another one on the road every 2 or 3 days. This is a driver's car you either get it or you don't, but you can't really knock it.
My Wife and friends who have been in it love it, I never hear comments such as oh the interior looks heavy, or aren't you worried it's common?.
So to all the whingers, knockers go and buy one these are exceptional cars if I had the money id buy an GT3/4 in a heartbeat
Quickmoose said:
opinion, so easily subverted, it's not fanboyism, it's personal preference...different priorities...
That's the thing though - it's down to preference now. It used to be that people could put Lotus down for historic problems that they struggled for far too long to address. Pub conversations were the predictable 'hur, hur, hur, Loads Of Trouble.. hur, hur, hur'. It shows how far Lotus have come along now that you can buy a car from them that is generally perceived to be reliable, to have good residuals, to be well built, exotic looks and also delivers handling and performance in spades. You'd be an idiot to buy a car in that segment without at least test driving a Lotus. Imagine the pub conversation now:
"I spent 70K on a sportscar!",
"Cool, how did they compare on the test drives?"
"Oh, I didn't compare any, I just bought the first one I drove."
When there's a credible alternative, you can't seriously spend that amount of money based solely on a review on the internet.
Tuna said:
Quickmoose said:
opinion, so easily subverted, it's not fanboyism, it's personal preference...different priorities...
That's the thing though - it's down to preference now. It used to be that people could put Lotus down for historic problems that they struggled for far too long to address. Pub conversations were the predictable 'hur, hur, hur, Loads Of Trouble.. hur, hur, hur'. It shows how far Lotus have come along now that you can buy a car from them that is generally perceived to be reliable, to have good residuals, to be well built, exotic looks and also delivers handling and performance in spades. You'd be an idiot to buy a car in that segment without at least test driving a Lotus. Imagine the pub conversation now:
"I spent 70K on a sportscar!",
"Cool, how did they compare on the test drives?"
"Oh, I didn't compare any, I just bought the first one I drove."
When there's a credible alternative, you can't seriously spend that amount of money based solely on a review on the internet.
(leave the forum now)
Tuna said:
Quickmoose said:
opinion, so easily subverted, it's not fanboyism, it's personal preference...different priorities...
That's the thing though - it's down to preference now. It used to be that people could put Lotus down for historic problems that they struggled for far too long to address. Pub conversations were the predictable 'hur, hur, hur, Loads Of Trouble.. hur, hur, hur'. It shows how far Lotus have come along now that you can buy a car from them that is generally perceived to be reliable, to have good residuals, to be well built, exotic looks and also delivers handling and performance in spades. You'd be an idiot to buy a car in that segment without at least test driving a Lotus. Imagine the pub conversation now:
"I spent 70K on a sportscar!",
"Cool, how did they compare on the test drives?"
"Oh, I didn't compare any, I just bought the first one I drove."
When there's a credible alternative, you can't seriously spend that amount of money based solely on a review on the internet.
progress indeed...
Olivera said:
I stand corrected on Evo track test, it was base cayman vs exige s. Even with tyres past their best I'm amazed the cayman was still quicker.
I suspect you're underestimating how much having the owner in the passenger seat hit the lap time, both in terms of the extra weight (assuming the Cayman was run one-up) and the need to be gentle with the car. I'd expect an Exige to comfortably beat a Cayman R would a tight track like Anglesey, let alone a normal Cayman. Shnozz said:
XBOW said:
Putting aside Porsche vs Lotus , we should feel a bit of pride for what these guys bring to the market .
Orange please ....or maybe yellow......oh bugger it, I'll even take it in silver
Is the 400 only coming with the SR wrap/paint?Orange please ....or maybe yellow......oh bugger it, I'll even take it in silver
And is it paint or vinyl?
peter450 said:
Tough completion, I like the 400 I think it's a solid improvement, pity it did not arrive in 2012.
I guess at least the consumer sentiment in the Evora's main markets is more positive than in 2012. One hopes there are more buyers out there for sports cars at this price point than during the credit crunch and recession. 911 sales weren't exactly great in 2009-2012 either.An interesting quote in a US mag's review:
"Lotus's rate for converting test drives to sales already stands at 30 percent, three times the norm, and you wouldn't bet against it pushing higher with the massively improved Evora and expanding U.S. dealer network."
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/...
It would seem that overall, the Evora 400 reviews are much less qualified than previous versions' reviews. Along with an expanding dealer network, this should bode well for Lotus to hit its sales targets.
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