RE: Toyota GT86: PH Fleet
Discussion
Samantha-pxuoj said:
I've just had to get rid of my 2 and half year old GT86. Massive issue with paint chipping and rusting (pearlescent white) at just 18 months old. Toyota franchised dealer tried to repair but the rust started coming back through after just 2 months.
Also, seems like the pearlescent paint is actually impossible to match. Ended up with a multi colour car that I've been forced to sell as a result.
Not only this but problems with the brakes and the electrics - windows would not go up and passenger door lock stopped working.
If this is the more 'basic' model I dread to think of the problems this will encounter long term.
The GT86 is just not fit for purpose. Such a shame as I did love it!
There's a 12 year anti corosion guarantee on the bodywork..doesn't sound right if rust is coming through at 18 months. Did you buy new??Also, seems like the pearlescent paint is actually impossible to match. Ended up with a multi colour car that I've been forced to sell as a result.
Not only this but problems with the brakes and the electrics - windows would not go up and passenger door lock stopped working.
If this is the more 'basic' model I dread to think of the problems this will encounter long term.
The GT86 is just not fit for purpose. Such a shame as I did love it!
Dunk130TC said:
Lefty said:
Dunk130TC said:
Why bother when you can get a second hand BRZ/GT86 from £14k?
Why would anyone buy a new car when a 2nd hand one is cheaper? New comes at a disproportionate cost given the steep depreciation curve on these.
HTH
I can't work out if I'm being trolled here or not.
Lefty said:
Dunk130TC said:
Lefty said:
Dunk130TC said:
Why bother when you can get a second hand BRZ/GT86 from £14k?
Why would anyone buy a new car when a 2nd hand one is cheaper? New comes at a disproportionate cost given the steep depreciation curve on these.
HTH
I can't work out if I'm being trolled here or not.
New cars are great as you can spec them exactly how you want.
Should my wife's new 86 ever arrive (was due Friday, been pushed back again, Toyota GB are a shambles that make Alfa & FIAT look like a paragon of organisational skills), it'll have every possible option fitted & in the exact colour my wife wants.
The finance deals aren't great. We could have had a new M235i or A45 AMG for less but you see them everywhere.
The 86 has rarity appeal and that's good.
On the plus side,it'll be cheap enough to buy at the 3 year state
Should my wife's new 86 ever arrive (was due Friday, been pushed back again, Toyota GB are a shambles that make Alfa & FIAT look like a paragon of organisational skills), it'll have every possible option fitted & in the exact colour my wife wants.
The finance deals aren't great. We could have had a new M235i or A45 AMG for less but you see them everywhere.
The 86 has rarity appeal and that's good.
On the plus side,it'll be cheap enough to buy at the 3 year state
Nickbrapp said:
Lefty said:
Dunk130TC said:
Why bother when you can get a second hand BRZ/GT86 from £14k?
Why would anyone buy a new car when a 2nd hand one is cheaper? New cars are nice to own, you get the spec you want etc
Dunk130TC said:
Lefty said:
Dunk130TC said:
Why bother when you can get a second hand BRZ/GT86 from £14k?
Why would anyone buy a new car when a 2nd hand one is cheaper? New comes at a disproportionate cost given the steep depreciation curve on these.
HTH
Joeguard1990 said:
Japan got the GT86 'RC'. Equivalent to approximately £16,200 and it literally came with steel wheels and un-painted front bumpers. Perfect for a modifiers starting position.
Like someone already said before me, the difference between this model and the one above it is too small so it would make sense to go for the upgrade.
NZ got an RC version too - http://www.86rc.co.nz/ . Basic 16" alloys and painted bumpers is $34585 = £14734. Add TRD suspension and LSD and it's $41243 = £17571Like someone already said before me, the difference between this model and the one above it is too small so it would make sense to go for the upgrade.
No stereo or AC though (and no option to add) and the cheapest plastic steering wheel you can imagine.
Lefty said:
Nickbrapp said:
Lefty said:
Dunk130TC said:
Why bother when you can get a second hand BRZ/GT86 from £14k?
Why would anyone buy a new car when a 2nd hand one is cheaper? New cars are nice to own, you get the spec you want etc
If your reason to get a Primo is as a cheap base to modify, you'll invalidate the warranty and in which case you could have got to that point a lot cheaper. (And spend the £8k on whatever mods etc that float your boat.)
That's why I think the PRIMO isn't worth bothering with.
rlg43p said:
Dunk130TC said:
Lefty said:
Dunk130TC said:
Why bother when you can get a second hand BRZ/GT86 from £14k?
Why would anyone buy a new car when a 2nd hand one is cheaper? New comes at a disproportionate cost given the steep depreciation curve on these.
HTH
LordGrover said:
rlg43p said:
Dunk130TC said:
Lefty said:
Dunk130TC said:
Why bother when you can get a second hand BRZ/GT86 from £14k?
Why would anyone buy a new car when a 2nd hand one is cheaper? New comes at a disproportionate cost given the steep depreciation curve on these.
HTH
the current value of a 2012 launch car doesn't work!).
I still don't understand the logic of the Primo, you can spend £8k less on a better spec'd launch car to modify, as that's the only reason to get a Primo, the entire premis is a blank canvas to work on. Which will chuck your 5yr new car warranty in the bin.
Glad to see your own profile agrees with me:
"Bought for £27,795 in September 2012 at 0 miles. Now worth about £14,520 at 37,000 miles."
That makes a little over 50% RV!
Look forward to seeing all the Primo supporters digging deep and placing their orders. When the car parks are awash with the soar away success of the Primo, I'll say I was wrong and will eat my pants.
Until that point I'll maintain it's a waste of money, because it is.
I won't argue with you about most of your opinions as they're clearly pretty firm.
However, warranty is unaffected. Clearly, if you 'upgrade' the brakes (for example) then Toyota won't guarantee the brakes, but that won't affect anything that's not modified. There are many (several
) supercharged and turbocharged cars out there that have had warranty claims honoured for things like coilpacks. Toyota has proven to be pretty good in this respect.
However, warranty is unaffected. Clearly, if you 'upgrade' the brakes (for example) then Toyota won't guarantee the brakes, but that won't affect anything that's not modified. There are many (several
) supercharged and turbocharged cars out there that have had warranty claims honoured for things like coilpacks. Toyota has proven to be pretty good in this respect.LordGrover said:
I won't argue with you about most of your opinions as they're clearly pretty firm.
However, warranty is unaffected. Clearly, if you 'upgrade' the brakes (for example) then Toyota won't guarantee the brakes, but that won't affect anything that's not modified. There are many (several) supercharged and turbocharged cars out there that have had warranty claims honoured for things like coilpacks. Toyota has proven to be pretty good in this respect.
Glad to hear Toyota aren't adopting a Porsche like attitude to honouring a warranty, but if you're going to mod a Primo I'd suspect that it'll be the powertrain via a supercharge/turbo kit, which even with the greatest goodwill in world, Toyota will wash their hands of any engine or drivetrain claims.However, warranty is unaffected. Clearly, if you 'upgrade' the brakes (for example) then Toyota won't guarantee the brakes, but that won't affect anything that's not modified. There are many (several
) supercharged and turbocharged cars out there that have had warranty claims honoured for things like coilpacks. Toyota has proven to be pretty good in this respect.I just don't get what Toyota's marketing dept are up to?
Put the Primo up for sale back in 2012 and it was likely to have worked as an entry level and cheap GT86. But 3 years later it's going head to head with the better spec'd used market.
Ah, new v. used already! That most valid of comparisons. I thought the Golf R would come up first. As mentioned people need to buy new GT86s for you to all go snapping up the used ones. Which you will, right? Easy to forget also that the GT86/BRZ project was a ground-up thing and that's clearly going to take more money than throwing a diff and a turbo at a hatchback.
Few days in and already the speedo is really annoying but everything else is great! There's a PH sticker on so that's at least a 15hp gain. Look forward to seeing those of you at Simply Japanese on Sunday.
And as for the MX-5 comparison, watch this space. Plans are afoot! Dan 'I really, really love my Eunos' Trent was not going to pass up this kind of twin test opportunity!
Matt
Few days in and already the speedo is really annoying but everything else is great! There's a PH sticker on so that's at least a 15hp gain. Look forward to seeing those of you at Simply Japanese on Sunday.
And as for the MX-5 comparison, watch this space. Plans are afoot! Dan 'I really, really love my Eunos' Trent was not going to pass up this kind of twin test opportunity!
Matt
Matt Bird said:
Ah, new v. used already! That most valid of comparisons. I thought the Golf R would come up first. As mentioned people need to buy new GT86s for you to all go snapping up the used ones. Which you will, right? Easy to forget also that the GT86/BRZ project was a ground-up thing and that's clearly going to take more money than throwing a diff and a turbo at a hatchback.
Few days in and already the speedo is really annoying but everything else is great! There's a PH sticker on so that's at least a 15hp gain. Look forward to seeing those of you at Simply Japanese on Sunday.
And as for the MX-5 comparison, watch this space. Plans are afoot! Dan 'I really, really love my Eunos' Trent was not going to pass up this kind of twin test opportunity!
Matt
Re the speedo. Surely you will only notice that as annoying if you've driven a model with the digi version? Doubt I'd notice it otherwise?Few days in and already the speedo is really annoying but everything else is great! There's a PH sticker on so that's at least a 15hp gain. Look forward to seeing those of you at Simply Japanese on Sunday.
And as for the MX-5 comparison, watch this space. Plans are afoot! Dan 'I really, really love my Eunos' Trent was not going to pass up this kind of twin test opportunity!
Matt
em177 said:
Matt Bird said:
Ah, new v. used already! That most valid of comparisons. I thought the Golf R would come up first. As mentioned people need to buy new GT86s for you to all go snapping up the used ones. Which you will, right? Easy to forget also that the GT86/BRZ project was a ground-up thing and that's clearly going to take more money than throwing a diff and a turbo at a hatchback.
Few days in and already the speedo is really annoying but everything else is great! There's a PH sticker on so that's at least a 15hp gain. Look forward to seeing those of you at Simply Japanese on Sunday.
And as for the MX-5 comparison, watch this space. Plans are afoot! Dan 'I really, really love my Eunos' Trent was not going to pass up this kind of twin test opportunity!
Matt
Re the speedo. Surely you will only notice that as annoying if you've driven a model with the digi version? Doubt I'd notice it otherwise?Few days in and already the speedo is really annoying but everything else is great! There's a PH sticker on so that's at least a 15hp gain. Look forward to seeing those of you at Simply Japanese on Sunday.
And as for the MX-5 comparison, watch this space. Plans are afoot! Dan 'I really, really love my Eunos' Trent was not going to pass up this kind of twin test opportunity!
Matt
when you've driven one with a digi you use it all the time, and i don't normally like digital speedos.
But the Rev counter dominates your view being central, bigger and brighter. The analogue speedo is a sad grey orphan to one side....
I don't see a Golf R as a comparison personally. The R is a great hatch - do everything from comfort to a fast, spirited drive. The GT fits into a much tighter niche for people who value its dynamics. On everything else it will lose, comfort, drivability and of course, outright speed. The more i think about it the more i think the new vs old comparison is valid for the GT86. It is clearly an enthusiasts car, therefore, such a person will consider more options, which will to include older cars. That's less the case when somebody is just in the market for a hot hatch, saloon, coupe or whatever. Best comparison is the MX5, hopefully those who understand the qualities of that car but have an aversion to hairdressing will see the GT as a valid alternative.
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