A clown takes a pratfall
Discussion
kiseca said:
What did the cyclist do wrong (I mean when he was being overtaken, not when he nearly collided with another cyclist, pedestrian and then chased someone down the road and encouraged them to chase him back)
Nothing much, if he was a courteous road user he could have moved left where there were no parked cars. But the driver never sounded his horn or shouted at him, it's only when he chased after him (suggesting his journey wasn't all that important) he acts like a selfish knobber. In one of the clips he follows a lorry for about a mile then goes into the companies yard to remonstrate with the driver, it's only when the manager comes out and tells him he can't be in there without a high vis and if he has a complaint to go to the clearly signposted office, the gobby militant cyclist doesn't have a reply so after a few seconds of silence the clip ends.As countless others have said, the cyclist was being an arrogant knobber looking for a fight, not that I'm saying the driver was blameless of course. However, he's going to pick a fight with the wrong person at some point.
I do love the truck clip though when he's told it is actually illegal for him to be in the yard without the high viz etc, that shuts him up pretty quickly.
I do love the truck clip though when he's told it is actually illegal for him to be in the yard without the high viz etc, that shuts him up pretty quickly.
Strawman said:
kiseca said:
What did the cyclist do wrong (I mean when he was being overtaken, not when he nearly collided with another cyclist, pedestrian and then chased someone down the road and encouraged them to chase him back)
Nothing much, if he was a courteous road user he could have moved left where there were no parked cars. But the driver never sounded his horn or shouted at him, it's only when he chased after him (suggesting his journey wasn't all that important) he acts like a selfish knobber. In one of the clips he follows a lorry for about a mile then goes into the companies yard to remonstrate with the driver, it's only when the manager comes out and tells him he can't be in there without a high vis and if he has a complaint to go to the clearly signposted office, the gobby militant cyclist doesn't have a reply so after a few seconds of silence the clip ends.Then when you see his video of the scaffold truck you really get this reinforced. He loses his train of thought when the driver simply says sorry.
This chap is actually a bit unhinged. Following a truck driver down onto private land, quite some distance from civilisation and not considering the potential consequences highlights the state of mind of the chap on the bike.
As others have said also, both the driver and cyclist are knobs but the car driver seems to be relatively conventional, lower IQ, angry punter but there is actually something about the cyclist that is quite sinister and properly unpleasant.
Again, as others have mooted, as he seems to make a habit of following blokes to remote areas and then trying to goad them into an aggressive response, it seems perfectly plausible that his youtube channel could easily fall dormant.
Gixer said:
Harji said:
You shouldn't cycle in between parked cars and also at least a doors width away from parked cars (cos I've had one open on me) and the Pug driver, for the sake of a couple of seconds delay in reaching the junction, seriously is it worth the close shave he gave the cyclist?
Rubbish. That's a massive gap between the cars, you wouldn't move in to allow one car by? As for doors, ever thought of looking at what you're doing to see if anyone is in the car? Doors don't open themselves. I've never had a door open on me, and never had issues. Maybe that's because I try to be courteous and don't go out of my way to look the trouble. Close shave? You need to cycle round here. Edited by Gixer on Friday 31st July 22:36
Gap or no gap between the cars, it was always only going to be a few seconds difference and I wouldn't cycle between parked cars, on the edge maybe depending on distance but not between parked cars
TfL's advice for cyclists:-
"Ride in a straight line past parked cars, rather than dodge between them, and allow at least a full door's width between you in case the doors are suddenly opened."
So I'm completely doing the right thing, you're not.
DonkeyApple said:
Strawman said:
kiseca said:
What did the cyclist do wrong (I mean when he was being overtaken, not when he nearly collided with another cyclist, pedestrian and then chased someone down the road and encouraged them to chase him back)
Nothing much, if he was a courteous road user he could have moved left where there were no parked cars. But the driver never sounded his horn or shouted at him, it's only when he chased after him (suggesting his journey wasn't all that important) he acts like a selfish knobber. In one of the clips he follows a lorry for about a mile then goes into the companies yard to remonstrate with the driver, it's only when the manager comes out and tells him he can't be in there without a high vis and if he has a complaint to go to the clearly signposted office, the gobby militant cyclist doesn't have a reply so after a few seconds of silence the clip ends.Then when you see his video of the scaffold truck you really get this reinforced. He loses his train of thought when the driver simply says sorry.
This chap is actually a bit unhinged. Following a truck driver down onto private land, quite some distance from civilisation and not considering the potential consequences highlights the state of mind of the chap on the bike.
As others have said also, both the driver and cyclist are knobs but the car driver seems to be relatively conventional, lower IQ, angry punter but there is actually something about the cyclist that is quite sinister and properly unpleasant.
Again, as others have mooted, as he seems to make a habit of following blokes to remote areas and then trying to goad them into an aggressive response, it seems perfectly plausible that his youtube channel could easily fall dormant.
TheFinners said:
Seems to be a classic case of a knob on a bike meeting a knob in a car. Both are in the wrong, I'd say the car driver was more so than the cyclist (say 60:40) and both got way too worked up about it. The cyclist should have ignored it, or at most had a brief exchange of moaning when he caught up at the junction.
But then again the slow motion of the guy faceplanting is hilarious.
Other way round. It's normal for a bit of shouting at each other and then go about your business but in this case the cyclist was clearly winding the situation up to provoke a response.But then again the slow motion of the guy faceplanting is hilarious.
and a disgrace to cyclists everywhere. Wear a helmet next time you hypocritical f3xpendable said:
Someone commented on the Youtube Video with something I thought was interesting. Words to the effect of if you are walking down a combined walk/cycle path out in the middle of the lane, do cyclists give you a wide berth? No.
a) They can't, because the roads aren't wide enoughb) They will be travelling more slowly and more able to avoid a collision should the pedestrian fall
c) A motorised vehicle such as a car is a lethal piece of machinery and operators should act accordingly. A collision between a car, truck, forklift, etc and a pedestrian has far greater potential for serious injury or death than a collision between a cyclist and a pedestrian.
PH PEDANTS DISCLAIMER: I acknowledge that it's possible to accidentally kill someone with a bicycle and that links to such incidents exist..
kiseca said:
3xpendable said:
Someone commented on the Youtube Video with something I thought was interesting. Words to the effect of if you are walking down a combined walk/cycle path out in the middle of the lane, do cyclists give you a wide berth? No.
a) They can't, because the roads aren't wide enoughb) They will be travelling more slowly and more able to avoid a collision should the pedestrian fall
c) A motorised vehicle such as a car is a lethal piece of machinery and operators should act accordingly. A collision between a car, truck, forklift, etc and a pedestrian has far greater potential for serious injury or death than a collision between a cyclist and a pedestrian.
PH PEDANTS DISCLAIMER: I acknowledge that it's possible to accidentally kill someone with a bicycle and that links to such incidents exist..
mybrainhurts said:
kiseca said:
3xpendable said:
Someone commented on the Youtube Video with something I thought was interesting. Words to the effect of if you are walking down a combined walk/cycle path out in the middle of the lane, do cyclists give you a wide berth? No.
a) They can't, because the roads aren't wide enoughb) They will be travelling more slowly and more able to avoid a collision should the pedestrian fall
c) A motorised vehicle such as a car is a lethal piece of machinery and operators should act accordingly. A collision between a car, truck, forklift, etc and a pedestrian has far greater potential for serious injury or death than a collision between a cyclist and a pedestrian.
PH PEDANTS DISCLAIMER: I acknowledge that it's possible to accidentally kill someone with a bicycle and that links to such incidents exist..
St John Smythe said:
Mave said:
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You're estimating. Which means you don't really know.No measurement is 100% accurate, except the one that defines it. Everything else is an estimate.
The comment you responded to suggested the pass was too close. What distance do you think is too close? Because I am confident that pass was too close by my definition.
Without being there at the time it's impossible to tell.St John Smythe said:
Mave said:
St John Smythe said:
Unless you have that exact model camera its's impossible to tell. Things can appear closer/further away dependent on the type of lens.
I disagree. If you look at the rear view at about 8 seconds you can judge how much space there is by scaling from the width of the car. At about 11 seconds you can see what proportion of that gap is to the left of the camera, and what proportion is to the right. I'd estimate at most 50cm from the camera to the car.The comment you responded to suggested the pass was too close. What distance do you think is too close? Because I am confident that pass was too close by my definition.
kiseca said:
TheFinners said:
Seems to be a classic case of a knob on a bike meeting a knob in a car. Both are in the wrong, I'd say the car driver was more so than the cyclist (say 60:40) and both got way too worked up about it. The cyclist should have ignored it, or at most had a brief exchange of moaning when he caught up at the junction.
But then again the slow motion of the guy faceplanting is hilarious.
What did the cyclist do wrong (I mean when he was being overtaken, not when he nearly collided with another cyclist, pedestrian and then chased someone down the road and encouraged them to chase him back)But then again the slow motion of the guy faceplanting is hilarious.
cycling on a pavement is an offence. (admittedly later, but when someone is being so virteous and posting in public to criticise someone else, it might be worth starting the process by checking your own behaviour...)
I cycle & drive - both regularly, and whatever you are in / on it rarely slows down a journey to be considerate...
The driver was perhaps not being uber-courteous, but neither did he appear to actually be dangerous, many cars pass far closer - particularly in a built up area where it is difficult to find a space to give a car's width before passing - you can't spend your whole time driving around a major town crawling behind a bike when an overtake is safe... there is a big difference I think in the space needed with different speeds of travel - my base assumption is to consider what might happen if the bike hits a pothole / debris and the cyclist falls over - if too close at 60mph on a country road, it could be tragic, so I will allow a considerable space, even if having to crawl behind them around a corner until I can overtake - but in an urban area where they might fall against my car and the worse case scenario is a bruise and some damage, then closer is perfectly acceptable - to insist on a car's space in a street like that is impracticable....
Jagmanv12 said:
Artey said:
What is it with modern men my gawd, I've been cycling since 80's and been passed by cars while sitting close to the kerb, cars which were closer to me than the one in OP's videos and I was never ever scared of my surroundings. Can I suggest that if you (not you you but you as public) are scared of the road and if you can't hear cars approaching from behind you shouldn't cycle? Same as horse riders who expect cars to slow down to 0.5 mph while being passed because their horses are easily spooked. Such horses don't belong on public road.
Also, as I said I've been cycling for ages and have only recently been made aware of this entitlement movement where cyclists are somehow entitled to everything because they save the planet. I wasn't aware of this and I don't want to be aware of this because this entitlement is exactly what antagonises drivers. I've never had any trouble with drivers maybe because I "live and let live" which basically means that I let drivers pass always when there is no need for me to be in the middle of the road. I don't know who came up with the idea that one should always stay away from kerbs, stay in the middle of the lane enforce your position nonsense. It doesn't help anyone and it pisses many people off.
Excellent post.Also, as I said I've been cycling for ages and have only recently been made aware of this entitlement movement where cyclists are somehow entitled to everything because they save the planet. I wasn't aware of this and I don't want to be aware of this because this entitlement is exactly what antagonises drivers. I've never had any trouble with drivers maybe because I "live and let live" which basically means that I let drivers pass always when there is no need for me to be in the middle of the road. I don't know who came up with the idea that one should always stay away from kerbs, stay in the middle of the lane enforce your position nonsense. It doesn't help anyone and it pisses many people off.
Particular highlight for me being the recommendation to put yourself in a dangerous position and justifying it by saying "live and let live"
Sadly, both a pair of pillocks in my opinion. That aside, I think sadly that Technology is to blame here. GoPro/sport-cams etc.
I have a small Sony camera thing that I put on the roll bar of my seven when going for a blat. Why? I show the kids (and wifey if she is in the mood
) when I get back where I went and the scenery that I went through. I enjoy it too because you don't always take it all in when you are pushing on.
I get the feeling that most cyclists nowadays where helmet cams and the like, not to capture the golden age of architecture or delights of urban landscape development, but to simply catch out the motorist that cuts them up so they have evidence. I accept that this can be useful if you are unfortunately caught up in an incident but I get the feeling, as the cyclist in that video has ably demonstrated with fore and aft cameras, that the reason he has them is to prove that motorists are scum and that he was/is hard done by.
Even if he did tear-arse off down the pavement at the end when the road was surely the correct place to be for a cyclist. All we needed was for him to hit a pedestrian, the big fella catches up and its a classic 'deck chair and popcorn moment' as we all sit back to watch it all kick off
Although of course we wouldn't see that because the cyclist would not have posted the video if he had hit a pedestrian would he?
I have a small Sony camera thing that I put on the roll bar of my seven when going for a blat. Why? I show the kids (and wifey if she is in the mood
) when I get back where I went and the scenery that I went through. I enjoy it too because you don't always take it all in when you are pushing on.I get the feeling that most cyclists nowadays where helmet cams and the like, not to capture the golden age of architecture or delights of urban landscape development, but to simply catch out the motorist that cuts them up so they have evidence. I accept that this can be useful if you are unfortunately caught up in an incident but I get the feeling, as the cyclist in that video has ably demonstrated with fore and aft cameras, that the reason he has them is to prove that motorists are scum and that he was/is hard done by.
Even if he did tear-arse off down the pavement at the end when the road was surely the correct place to be for a cyclist. All we needed was for him to hit a pedestrian, the big fella catches up and its a classic 'deck chair and popcorn moment' as we all sit back to watch it all kick off
Although of course we wouldn't see that because the cyclist would not have posted the video if he had hit a pedestrian would he?
Lagerlout said:
It's a pity this didn't end up in court. I'd like to see a solicitor establish a defence based on this cyclist having prior form. He chases after people consistently looking for confrontation and acts repeatedly in a vigilante fashion. If he has issues he should be taking these to the police not acting himself. He doesnt because the police are too busy dealing with real incidents. In court, I'd say that would not go well for him with that host of videos on youtube as evidence.
Unfortunately it would go much less well for the driver who over-reacted to this pathetic little prick. As soon as I heard the adenoidal Mr Bean voice reading out the registration in mock outrage I was on the car drivers side, irrespective of the (not actually that bad) overtake.Mr Peugeot should have stayed in his car, given the cyclist a big grin and the thumbs up. That would hurt the self-important little tosser more than a pasting.
akirk said:
kiseca said:
TheFinners said:
Seems to be a classic case of a knob on a bike meeting a knob in a car. Both are in the wrong, I'd say the car driver was more so than the cyclist (say 60:40) and both got way too worked up about it. The cyclist should have ignored it, or at most had a brief exchange of moaning when he caught up at the junction.
But then again the slow motion of the guy faceplanting is hilarious.
What did the cyclist do wrong (I mean when he was being overtaken, not when he nearly collided with another cyclist, pedestrian and then chased someone down the road and encouraged them to chase him back)But then again the slow motion of the guy faceplanting is hilarious.
Mave said:
How was he clearly breaking the law when being overtaken- by following dft advice of not moving back to the kerb in between parked cars? Or by keeping some distance from parked cars to avoid being doored? Or some other crime not apparent during the overtake?
Perhaps akirk meant the pavement riding.He may have missed the update from the cyclist, "The driver was arrested by Thames Valley Police today. He admitted a public order offence, threats to commit criminal damage, and assault. He received a caution."
Obviously the police are just arresting people randomly these days and the driver wasn't "clearly breaking the law".
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