A clown takes a pratfall

[akirk]

Mave said:

akirk said:

Exactly - scenarios that happen every day - car and bike on a road in a built up area - it is about give and take, not standing on 'rights' and then deciding to tell others off when you perceive them to be wrong - it isn't a 'situation' it isn't a particularly dodgy manoeuvre from the driver - it happens 1,000s of times a day all over the country, yes it is admirable to say that there should always be huge gaps when bike and car pass - but in reality that is not possible and just because the AA or others advise leaving a large gap doesn't make it illegal to pass safely with a smaller gap - the key is to ensure safety in an overtake, did the car hit the cyclist - no; did the car come close to hitting the cyclist - no; did the cyclist have to alter course to avoid the car - no; if something had happened to the cyclist and he had fallen would his life been in danger - no - so it is a compromise solution a choice made 1,000s of times a day when different road users need to be in the same place and move at different speeds

The different road users didn't NEED to be in the same place. The motorist CHOSE to be in the same place by initiating the overtake. If something had happened to the cyclist and he had fallen would his life have been in danger - yes. 50cm is not enough clearance to make sure you don't run over someone who has fallen over (and remember that 50cm is from the camera, it doesn't take into account the width of the cyclist!). It may be a compromise choice made by motorists 1000s of times a day, but that's not a balanced compromise when you're balancing convenience to yourself against risk to someone else.

We have no idea of their need to be there - nor do we have any idea on the distances - however every day there are compromise decisions made - if you want to rule those out - fine in concept but you have just prevented everyone from going about their business day to day! We don't live in a perfect world, I am sure that on my 60 mile round trip this morning there were probably a dozen obvious mistakes made by other road users - probably many more, but a good road user (driver or cyclist) anticipates / compensates and gets on with life... they don't spend their time filming them and setting up youtube channels - especially not when the move was nothing out of the ordinary - had no consequences and the person filming demonstrates themselves breaking the law and being a bit of an idiot!

[Mave]

akirk said:

especially not when the move was nothing out of the ordinary - had no consequences

And there's the problem, and probably part of the reason the cyclist behaves the way he does.

The attitude of "it happens every day and no-one died therefore it's ok" is possibly part of the reason he's got a chip on his shoulder? Motorists gambling with his safety (but with little risk to themselves!), either through belligerence or ignorance, until the day when it goes a bit wrong and it turns out that, actually, 50cm wasn't enough room to overtake someone after all.

[walm]

Gaz. said:

Sorry but I find it isn't out of the ordinary to be overtaken like that.

It isn't out of the ordinary.
But it should be.
That's the point.

200 incidents does point to a little bear baiting going on though!

[mybrainhurts]

walm said:

Gaz. said:

Sorry but I find it isn't out of the ordinary to be overtaken like that.

It isn't out of the ordinary.
But it should be.
That's the point.

200 incidents does point to a little bear baiting going on though!

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that everyone's out to get him because he's universally hated, of course...

[anonymous-user]

mybrainhurts said:

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that everyone's out to get him because he's universally hated, of course...

I'm not far from Reading. Think I'll drive up and join in

[Pyro_Indigo]

Looking through the rest of his videos, I genuinely hope he gets knocked off of that fking bike and seriously injured. This is the kind of obnoxious prick who gives cyclists a bad name.

[Mave]

akirk said:

We have no idea of their need to be there - nor do we have any idea on the distances

Ok, so maybe he has some unknown need to get past the cyclist, but that doesn't mean he has a right to do so.

And we do have some idea of the distances. We know how wide Peugeot 405s are, and we have some idea how wide people are. So unless the 405 was actually a giant 405 making everything else scale smaller, then the pass was too close.

[Artey]

Harji said:

Do you even cycle? Do you realise that when cycling if you turn your head round you can't see what's ahead?

What noooo really?

Harji said:

Try it when driving,

I do it daily, it's called checking your blind spots and being aware of your surroundings. If you find looking over your shoulder to be a challenge can I PLEASE ask you to remove yourself from roads please. You can walk or use public transport.

Harji said:

Ride assertively, away from the gutter. If the road is too narrow for vehicles to pass you safely, it may be better to ride in the middle of the lane to prevent dangerous overtaking.
Ride in a straight line past parked cars, rather than dodge between them, and allow at least a full door's width between you in case the doors are suddenly opened.

Why does this seem to only apply when cars overtake cyclists but not when cyclists filter please. Why do cyclists assume that it's ok to cycle past and between cars with sometimes less than 1cm gap. Can someone provide me with a sensible answer.

[Johnnytheboy]

Does anyone else look through these kind of warrior's YouTube channels and wonder what effect self selection has had?

I.e. all the videos where they came off worst, or just got annoyed at absolutely nothing?

[pwd95]

If bloke on the bike felt the car had acted in a dangerous manner then his only involvement should have been to report the driver.

Chasing the driver down several streets & having a go repeatedly is unacceptable. The cyclist should count himself very lucky that his facial features are still the same.

This particular cyclist is a prime example of what gives cyclists a bad name.

The paths of two idiots crossed & we got a very entertaining vid from it.

[xRIEx]

https://www.facebook.com/uniladmag/videos/15874827...

[Bonefish Blues]

Lovely!

[Escort3500]

And the pic from further down on the above FB page

[clarki]

I hate all this "i'm telling on you" crap that seems to be going on these days.

Funny clip though, both idiots and both acting like complete children. Both wrong and behaving unacceptably IMO.

[stewy68]

Must admit, it had crossed my mind that a video of the militant cyclist pk meeting his match and getting pulverised seems appealing.

[Vipers]

pwd95 said:

If bloke on the bike felt the car had acted in a dangerous manner then his only involvement should have been to report the driver.

Chasing the driver down several streets & having a go repeatedly is unacceptable. The cyclist should count himself very lucky that his facial features are still the same.

This particular cyclist is a prime example of what gives cyclists a bad name.

The paths of two idiots crossed & we got a very entertaining vid from it.

Although your right, the driver has a problem, and needs sorting out.

[Mave]

Artey said:

Why does this seem to only apply when cars overtake cyclists but not when cyclists filter please. Why do cyclists assume that it's ok to cycle past and between cars with sometimes less than 1cm gap. Can someone provide me with a sensible answer.

Google is your friend. Or earlier in this thread :-)

[Harji]

RicksAlfas said:

Harji said:

Ride in a straight line past parked cars, rather than dodge between them, and allow at least a full door's width between you in case the doors are suddenly opened.

Footnote: This advice can be ignored completely when whizzing through lines of queuing traffic.

So you can filter to the front of a queue like motorcyclists and speed off rather than get caught in traffic like motorcyclists,

[Mave]

Artey said:

I do it daily, it's called checking your blind spots and being aware of your surroundings. If you find looking over your shoulder to be a challenge can I PLEASE ask you to remove yourself from roads please. You can walk or use public transport.

Or, maybe PLEASE follow the highway code. It's written recognising the differing characteristics of different types of road user, rather than assuming that all road users can be treated the same.

[Harji]

Artey said:

Harji said:

Do you even cycle? Do you realise that when cycling if you turn your head round you can't see what's ahead?

What noooo really?

Harji said:

Try it when driving,

I do it daily, it's called checking your blind spots and being aware of your surroundings. If you find looking over your shoulder to be a challenge can I PLEASE ask you to remove yourself from roads please. You can walk or use public transport.

Harji said:

Ride assertively, away from the gutter. If the road is too narrow for vehicles to pass you safely, it may be better to ride in the middle of the lane to prevent dangerous overtaking.
Ride in a straight line past parked cars, rather than dodge between them, and allow at least a full door's width between you in case the doors are suddenly opened.

Why does this seem to only apply when cars overtake cyclists but not when cyclists filter please. Why do cyclists assume that it's ok to cycle past and between cars with sometimes less than 1cm gap. Can someone provide me with a sensible answer.

You're not turning your head around in a car are you, I said try it and report back, not check the mirrors but turn your head round to check behind while driving. When I cycle (I also have two cars) I LOOK OVER MY SHOULDER, but try that and see how much you can see, and I've already explained about speed differential, but that may have gone over you.

As for filtering, maybe because people don;t generally get out of cars while in traffic but more likely when they've parked up, do I have to explain the obvious to you? Also cyclists are mean't to get to the front of queued traffic so they become clearly visible when the lights go green, similar to motor bikes. If you are concerned, you can always find out instead of moaning about it, maybe you'll be enlightened.

Like I said, I'm following recommended advice, I don't see what is ticking you off about it.